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#1 Aug 30 2013 at 9:45 PM Rating: Default
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Are we still saying "this is a good launch compared to other games"?

Most of my friends still can't log in due to 1017 or other errors at the time of writing this message.

Can we all agree that this launch has been a huge disaster which lost Square Enix tons of money in pre-order/subscription cancellations and refunds?

I really hope it doesn't hurt the game's future/subscription base. I feel like if the game is successful, the classes I want to play will get released faster. But at this rate I'm worried.

Edited, Aug 30th 2013 11:46pm by Killua125
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It's a normal launch compared to other games.

No, it's not going to win the smoothest launch in history prize. That would have been nice.

Still not the worst launch in history, though. It's average for a launch at best - server woes are normal and expected, sad as that is.

Yoshi P's personal apology and length explanation in the last day has gone a long way to bumping them from average to slightly above average, but they'll never claim the #1 spot now. Oh well.
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Twice as many people playing the game the first day concurrently, and perhaps twice again as many trying to get on, as there were total accounts ever on the old version?

And all without more than an hour of maintenance since official launch, and even that little bit only being the lobby server?

And now we're getting extra on our free month?

Did you really just make a day one 'FFXIV is dieing' thread?
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#5vahlmyth, Posted: Aug 30 2013 at 9:54 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Your repsonses are the epitome of the definistion of fanbois.
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This has not been a "normal" launch or "average".


You're right, this is better than average. The servers may be capped but people have been able to play all week long. Maybe not everyone, and God knows this isn't perfect, but the fact is the game is running, and it plays well. The only issue there is, is that there isn't enough room for everyone, which they're fixing.


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#7vahlmyth, Posted: Aug 30 2013 at 10:02 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) The reason it's "running" is that they capped access to servers to a paltry 5,000 - and with no AFK auto boot.
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This has not been a "normal" launch or "average".


You're right, this is better than average. The servers may be capped but people have been able to play all week long. Maybe not everyone, and God knows this isn't perfect, but the fact is the game is running, and it plays well. The only issue these is is that there is t enough room for everyone, which they're fixing.

Edited, Aug 30th 2013 10:59pm by Ryklin


The reason it's "running" is that they capped access to servers to a paltry 5,000 - and with no AFK auto boot.

Of course the servers are "running" - they're not being taxed.

Between all the down down, registration errors, caps on logins/character creations, customer support disasters, etc. this is one of the worst launches.

Maybe in Asia it's normal but by western standards its FUBAR.



I don't think you're remembering correctly. I distinctly remember WoW, GW2, SW:TOR, and Rift, just to name a few, being as bad or worse than this launch for the first couple weeks, if not longer. They all went through similar growing pains. Even though SE has had to cap their servers, they've kept them up with remarkably little downtime, and those who play are playing a very polished and smooth game. All in all, it's one of the better launches I've seen.

Sure, it's not perfect, and there are some bumps in the road. But it's not terrible, and certainly not FUBAR.
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To me, its a good game but I don't know if the launch was good.

I have nothing really to compare it to seeing as i've never played an mmorpg close to launch or at launch I can't say from my experience if this normal.

Yep, it unfortunately did lose them money. Will they miss it? Possibly not if they were expecting much fewer people playing the game. Yoshi-P's apology is only going to do so much--infact many casuals haven't even read it or quit before he apologized. Even though they lost money does not mean the game won't be successful--if ff11 (Which had more flaws than this does imho) is SE's most profitable game this could easily still top it or be one of the more profitable games given enough content to keep people subscribed to play through it all.

I'll be frank, I don't get why its that big of a debate as to whether the launch was successful or not because aside from new content "potentially" getting released sooner- its not going to make any of us richer in any way shape or form at the end of the day.





Edited, Aug 31st 2013 12:15am by Thelastremainingintime
#10vahlmyth, Posted: Aug 30 2013 at 10:10 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I played all those games and while they had some problems they did not have problems across the board to the scale that this one has.
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I played all those games and while they had some problems they did not have problems across the board to the scale that this one has.

EVERY aspect of this launch has been horrible: registration, access, server loads, maintenance, customer services. Everything.

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#13vahlmyth, Posted: Aug 30 2013 at 10:17 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I didn't play Runescape but wasn't that launched in 2001?
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Are we still saying "this is a good launch compared to other games"?

Most of my friends still can't log in due to 1017 or other errors at the time of writing this message.

Can we all agree that this launch has been a huge disaster which lost Square Enix tons of money in pre-order/subscription cancellations and refunds?

I really hope it doesn't hurt the game's future/subscription base. I feel like if the game is successful, the classes I want to play will get released faster. But at this rate I'm worried.

Edited, Aug 30th 2013 11:46pm by Killua125


I am sure you can find Yoshi P and complain to him personally instead of regurgitating the same complaints on here over and over.
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Can we all agree that this launch has been a huge disaster which lost Square Enix tons of money in pre-order/subscription cancellations and refunds?


According to Yoshi-P they have around 50% more customers than they ever dreamed of having in their best case scenario, so far.

I don't know about you, but I'm pretty sure they're putting FFXIV:ARR in the win column.
#16vahlmyth, Posted: Aug 30 2013 at 10:21 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Wow, it's amazing to see people speak of Yoshi so reverently when everything he's said makes it clear he has little to no control over what's going on yet the fanbois/fangirls are convinced he's some sort of demi-god with the power to fix everything.
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Killua125 wrote:
Are we still saying "this is a good launch compared to other games"?

Most of my friends still can't log in due to 1017 or other errors at the time of writing this message.

Can we all agree that this launch has been a huge disaster which lost Square Enix tons of money in pre-order/subscription cancellations and refunds?

I really hope it doesn't hurt the game's future/subscription base. I feel like if the game is successful, the classes I want to play will get released faster. But at this rate I'm worried.

Edited, Aug 30th 2013 11:46pm by Killua125


I am sure you can find Yoshi P and complain to him personally instead of regurgitating the same complaints on here over and over.


Wow, it's amazing to see people speak of Yoshi so reverently when everything he's said makes it clear he has little to no control over what's going on yet the fanbois/fangirls are convinced he's some sort of demi-god with the power to fix everything.




I'm sorry but why are you here? Every post you have is bashing the game. Is that the only reason your on these forums? To look for an opportunity to complain?

Yoshida has done more for this game than you have probably accomplished in your entire lifetime. The man took a game that took 5 years to develop and was still complete crap, and turned in to a game that is so desired by its users that there isn't enough room for everyone. (In two years, at that)

His man is the reason anyone has faith in SE again, and has been he most transparent MMO director I have ever seen. The man has been seen in Seattle, presumably to oversee the issues they are having with the NA/EU servers. So what is your problem?

Edited, Aug 30th 2013 11:28pm by Ryklin
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#18vahlmyth, Posted: Aug 30 2013 at 10:27 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) MMO profitability is determined by either (a) long term paying subscribers or (b) cash shop.
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It's a normal launch compared to other games.

No, it's not going to win the smoothest launch in history prize. That would have been nice.

Still not the worst launch in history, though. It's average for a launch at best - server woes are normal and expected, sad as that is.

Yoshi P's personal apology and length explanation in the last day has gone a long way to bumping them from average to slightly above average, but they'll never claim the #1 spot now. Oh well.


Your repsonses are the epitome of the definistion of fanbois.

This has not been a "normal" launch or "average".

It has been a spectacular debacle. If this was an American company MMO launch that went this bad, there would be far more angst.

But westerners(especially Americans) are terrified of criticizing anything not white European male based.



Hahahahaha. You cannot possibly be serious. 'Murica's history is all about criticizing and excluding anything that's non-white, European, or male. Civil rights only passed 50 years ago, actually less than that. Title 9 passed roughly 40 years ago or so. Non-Christans are looked at with suspicion, as are non white immigrants. And there was just controversy over the new Fox show, Dad's, because of a apparent 'racist' joke that was aimed at Asians.

I don't want to derail the thread, but your statement about Americans being afraid to criticize anything "non white European male based" is absurd, to say the least.
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#20vahlmyth, Posted: Aug 30 2013 at 10:29 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) First, since I can't get into the game that I paid for I find it an acceptable substitute.
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I played all those games and while they had some problems they did not have problems across the board to the scale that this one has.

EVERY aspect of this launch has been horrible: registration, access, server loads, maintenance, customer services. Everything.



What maintenance? LOTRO was the best launch I've been part of and even they had probably more maintenance than FFXIV.
Registration was easy. Server loads are actually better, because they are capping. If they didn't you would get drops and rubberbanding like you still get in some games that have been running for years. I've never had customer service issues because everything is actually pretty simple and there's no reason to contact them. The reason you are probably having issues is that they are overloaded with people who don't read and assume that SE is personally making things difficult for them.
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#22vahlmyth, Posted: Aug 30 2013 at 10:31 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) As a Native American I am continually amazed at the level of white liberal guilt and universal angst for white men. It used to be funny but it's so prevalent/exaggerated that it's just sad now.
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Omg..what a terrible launch ... EVERYONE wants to play it. So many people want to play it, the servers are having heart attacks. Yeah...this was a really bad launch.

/do i really need to point out the sarcasm here?
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#24vahlmyth, Posted: Aug 30 2013 at 10:34 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) If it was just server load then yes it would.
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Omg..what a terrible launch ... EVERYONE wants to play it. So many people want to play it, the servers are having heart attacks. Yeah...this was a really bad launch.

/do i really need to point out the sarcasm here?



If it was just server load then yes it would.

But every single aspect of the launch has been failure.


Oh...do tell. Other than server load problems, please tell me what the failures are, i'd love to hear it.
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My guess is vahlmyth is one of those that decided to enter their code into a new service account and blames SE.
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#27vahlmyth, Posted: Aug 30 2013 at 10:38 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Registration codes, registration errors, locked accounts, customer service basically AWOL, multiple maintenance events..
#28vahlmyth, Posted: Aug 30 2013 at 10:40 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) No, I followed the registration process exactly - SE assigned the code to blank "maintenance account" which I didn't even know existed until I tried to log on and was directed to the "MOG" site.
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vahlmyth wrote:
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Omg..what a terrible launch ... EVERYONE wants to play it. So many people want to play it, the servers are having heart attacks. Yeah...this was a really bad launch.

/do i really need to point out the sarcasm here?



If it was just server load then yes it would.

But every single aspect of the launch has been failure.


When I am able to get on the server it has been flawless for me, that is rare for a launch.

Edited, Aug 31st 2013 12:41am by BlueLand
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#30vahlmyth, Posted: Aug 30 2013 at 10:42 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Kinda hard for a game not to run well when you only allow 5K players per server.
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vahlmyth wrote:
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vahlmyth wrote:
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Omg..what a terrible launch ... EVERYONE wants to play it. So many people want to play it, the servers are having heart attacks. Yeah...this was a really bad launch.

/do i really need to point out the sarcasm here?



If it was just server load then yes it would.

But every single aspect of the launch has been failure.


Oh...do tell. Other than server load problems, please tell me what the failures are, i'd love to hear it.


Registration codes, registration errors, locked accounts, customer service basically AWOL, multiple maintenance events..

Pretty much every aspect of an MMO launch.


So, you had problems registering your code... and that is "Every" aspect of a launch. Well, if you decide that this game isn't for you, good luck to you. See ya around the interwebz.
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#32vahlmyth, Posted: Aug 30 2013 at 10:45 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) No, I mentioned that in response to another post.
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All the other things? Source please? I think you are talking out of your $$# at the moment. Prove me wrong please.
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#34vahlmyth, Posted: Aug 30 2013 at 10:52 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Go to your account profile, click on the FF XIV image and read all the posts users are making. There has been an endless stream about everything from registration errors, no customer service, etc. etc.
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The reason it's "running" is that they capped access to servers to a paltry 5,000 - and with no AFK auto boot.

5k seems a reasonable assumption given what we used to see on FFXI servers. Besides, a maximum number of concurrent players per World isn't itself the limit. After all, if there were enough Worlds, then 5k would be just fine. The problem was underestimating the total number of players that the game would draw interest from at launch.
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#38lycrates, Posted: Aug 30 2013 at 11:00 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Who comes up with this stuff??? lol. I have been to all MMO launches since EQ, and I can tell you with absolute certainty that this is the worst MMO launch of all time. Even WoW, that crashed a lot in the beginning eight years ago was better than not being able to play in addition to all the other login issues.
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It's a normal launch compared to other games.


The server issues are a big downer, but the reason they're a problem is because the game has managed to grab a lot more attention than they expected it to. Record setting open beta cancelled out by the fact that they can't accommodate the number of players who are anxious to get in. I actually would have said it was better than average if not for the pre-order and registration fiasco. I'm not sure it will chase away the people who have already pulled the trigger, but those who were thinking about it definitely have more to think about.
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Its been TWO FREAKING WEEKS since early access and NOTHING is fixed. SE is run by monkeys, lol.


Uhh.. early access started last week? As in, 7 days ago.. you know, ONE WEEK, not TWO FREAKING WEEKS.. just sayin

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It's a normal launch compared to other games.
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Who comes up with this stuff??? lol. I have been to all MMO launches since EQ, and I can tell you with absolute certainty that this is the worst MMO launch of all time. Even WoW, that crashed a lot in the beginning eight years ago was better than not being able to play in addition to all the other login issues.

Its been TWO FREAKING WEEKS since early access and NOTHING is fixed. SE is run by monkeys, lol.

Edited, Aug 31st 2013 1:01am by lycrates



Oh, so you were there for Rift? Remeber all those city sieges? My god, that game crashed more than Charlie Sheen.
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Who comes up with this stuff??? lol. I have been to all MMO launches since EQ, and I can tell you with absolute certainty that this is the worst MMO launch of all time. Even WoW, that crashed a lot in the beginning eight years ago was better than not being able to play in addition to all the other login issues.


Well...you shouldn't lie to us old timers. Mainly for the fact you couldn't have played FFXI at launch...otherwise you would have known it had worse problems than this for **** near the first 6 months.
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Are we still saying "this is a good launch compared to other games"?

Most of my friends still can't log in due to 1017 or other errors at the time of writing this message.

Can we all agree that this launch has been a huge disaster which lost Square Enix tons of money in pre-order/subscription cancellations and refunds?

I really hope it doesn't hurt the game's future/subscription base. I feel like if the game is successful, the classes I want to play will get released faster. But at this rate I'm worried.

Edited, Aug 30th 2013 11:46pm by Killua125


I am sure you can find Yoshi P and complain to him personally instead of regurgitating the same complaints on here over and over.


Wow, it's amazing to see people speak of Yoshi so reverently when everything he's said makes it clear he has little to no control over what's going on yet the fanbois/fangirls are convinced he's some sort of demi-god with the power to fix everything.



Sorry for the post after post, but i just read this. Seriously? Dude, you do know that, EVERYTHING he said he was going to do has happened? Aren't you aware that we don't think of him as a "Demi-God" ... but just a man that keeps his promises. I don't really like calling people out on these boards, but you sir.... need to find another forum. If i wanted to listen to all this BS, i'd just turn on my T.V.

Edited, Aug 31st 2013 1:31am by Teneleven
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The character I rolled on Lamia, the "new" server added during EA, got in three times today. (I'm having some random crashes when I teleport but I'm more inclined to blame a dusty computer or Windows 8 than I am the game about those. Gonna break out the canned air tomorrow.)

Three times without a 1017. During east coast prime time. Amazing. The 4th time I was queued at 6.

Just roll on a ******* new server and play and stop complaining that you can't play. Roll in a different city state than your main so you can cruise through the different storylines. Then when your main character's server is more freely available, you can always go back.
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#46vahlmyth, Posted: Aug 30 2013 at 11:56 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) If the early levels weren't s mind numbingly boring and monotonous I might do that.
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Been waiting for someone to actually take him seriously to point this out. Karma works!


Not really. It just means you posted some unpopular opinions. I could easily farm for rate ups off the people here by making "I love Yoshi, this game is awesome" threads. Would I be worthy to talk to after that?
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Well not gonna answer to some of the posts here even though I am dying to so I am just gonna say my experience on the matter.

When EA was about to start I was sure of course like everyone else should have, that they will have problems so I waited. I wouldn't go from day 1 to put my EA access code for the simple reason I knew they were gonna have problems. So instead I waited for the last day where I put it with no problem at all with the first try.

Customer support was and is crap it has nothing to do with the launch so moving on.

Now as for the game it is really really good. At first I was skeptical on why they would not permit everyone join the **** servers. But when I got into the game I realized why. The game runs with no problem at all for the people that are inside thats why. Not supporting SE on this they did a terrible mistake to not predict how many people they will get but it was "smart" to monitor the servers like that so the people that do make it in to have no problems.

Don't get me wrong when I get a loggin error it makes me furious beyond measurement (the IRC people can testify about that, I made some good quotes over that) but at the same time I understand it.

What made me really happy and it seems some people don't want to mention because it doesn't help their arguments is that SE will give us as Yoshi said some more free time to play as an apology. Now THAT is something!

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#49vahlmyth, Posted: Aug 31 2013 at 12:07 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) "Free" time to make up for the time we haven't been able to play?
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Been waiting for someone to actually take him seriously to point this out. Karma works!


Got to keep myself entertained somehow while waiting to log in, baiting greys is fun.

Well keep him going! He's almost perma-sub-d and that's a satisfaction I haven't felt in a long time (never quite got Kim there...)
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