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#1 Aug 31 2013 at 3:02 AM Rating: Good
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for background, I played ffxi for a really long time, did war, nin, pld, rdm and blm so im familiar with micro management etcnhowever, im not too used to the tanking style in ffxiv, and i believe it is more akin to other modern day MMO than ffxi.

1) AoE tanking
I dont find this all that hard. i would run in with tomahawk, toss a flash and mobs are usually on me; when the fight drags on, i will just throw in an overpower. My questions are, however, how many mobs am i expected to take on at the same time? and am i expected to run about? because the dps need positions and if i run abt trying to grab mobs, that will disrupt their positions

2) Avoiding the red circles/squares/cones
This is quite similar to the above qn. How is the best way to avoid those skills? Is the best way just to run forward, and run back after the skill is over, so the dps do not have to move too much?

3) Target selection
This has been quite difficult for me. I play on keyboard and i use the Tab key. is there a better way to select targets?

4) Marking
I usually mark the one im engaging as #1, and when it dies, i just mark the next as #1, so anything i am not engaging wont be marked. is that sufficient? should i mark #1-3?

Thanks guys!
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#2 Aug 31 2013 at 4:51 AM Rating: Decent
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1) Once I use tomahawk and the pack of 3 or 4 come to me, I angle myself so that my Overpower cone hits everything. Learning how to do this is key since, for marauders, you only have a set number of MP to use flash. I personally hate flash, Overpower works better, again... only if you angle it so everything gets hit. Most dps understand about positioning and have no worries if you have to move a mob seeing as you're keeping the rest of the party alive and all, lol. Pay attention to your aggro meter, and use Overpower n your rotation if TP allows you too. It guarantees that a super duper heal won't pull those adds from you. Again, that's why Overpower beats out on flash. You can use Overpower alot more times in a battle than flash. And I will always run and grab something if it aggro from behind or someone walks to far out of battle and aggro something else. I will always run and grab that. It's not how many you need on you..... It's that EVERYTHING needs to be on you. I've had 7 or things and all do is Overpower, then Second Wind, then Overpower, then Bloodbath..... Just to keep alive and still make sure everything is still on me. The way I see it, no one will die on my watch unless I die first. Have faith in your healers, they will see all the mobs on you and go ******** because they know you are doing your best to keep all those mobs on you while the dps pick them off.

Edited, Aug 31st 2013 6:57am by LouMercado
#3 Aug 31 2013 at 4:59 AM Rating: Decent
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2) just move, the dps will move with you. Again, if you're using Overpower 's cone to keep aggro, you will be moving constantly. Trust me, it sounds like the dps will hate you but they won't. Everything goes so much smoother if every mob stays on you and you alone. Trust me.
#4 Aug 31 2013 at 5:00 AM Rating: Decent
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3) targeting sucks on PS3 with no mouse. It's not you, lol.

Edited, Aug 31st 2013 7:00am by LouMercado
#5 Aug 31 2013 at 5:03 AM Rating: Decent
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4) marking the first one is cool. Only in end boss battles with multiple enemies should you mark more. It's also useful if you're fighting like, let's say infrit and you have new players.... Once the sword comes down, mark that bad boy so they know they gotta kill that first.
#6 Sep 02 2013 at 10:05 AM Rating: Decent
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LouMercado wrote:
4) marking the first one is cool. Only in end boss battles with multiple enemies should you mark more. It's also useful if you're fighting like, let's say infrit and you have new players.... Once the sword comes down, mark that bad boy so they know they gotta kill that first.


I have not played around with macros ( i only have one to mark my current target and say in party "Attack this target you dumb *** ***************
Can you add a line in a macro for fights like infrit that will target that mob as soon as it spawns, where you know an add is coming and it has to die fast? I know some games that would mess up a macro. So in other words. your spamming your dps buttons and each ability is tied to a macro like >
/ac "Heavy Swing" <t>
/target "whatever the mobs name is"

if that target is not up.. it will just cast the ability.. but if the mob appears, it will target that mob ( makes for some fast/instant response to switch to an important target )



Edited, Sep 2nd 2013 12:06pm by Darklyon

Edited, Sep 2nd 2013 12:06pm by Darklyon
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#7 Oct 02 2013 at 3:50 PM Rating: Decent
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1) Get GLD high enough to learn flash and provoke and use Flash after Tomahawk on the pull. Tomahawk will give you initial agg then when they are in range Flash to blind them and get some agg so you can line them up for potential overpower. Make sure to get Flash off before you need heals or your healer will get agg. Flash can also be used between combo attacks without breaking the combo (e.g. 1-Flash-2-Flash-3)

2) Get in the habit of moving back to where you were. Most monsters stay put when they are casting. Think about tanking a big monster in a large raid, many DPS are flailing away on it, it has cone AOEs and cleaves and other nasty mechanics. You don't want the entire raid to have adjust every time you dodge a cone so get used to getting back into position after dodging stuff unless told otherwise. DPS like Monk only have 10 seconds and are position based so they don't like having to run around getting in position.

3) I have tanked stuff in MMOs since since like 2002 and can't recall ever tab targeting. I think's it kind of slow and lazy, use your mouse instead. Learn to turn with your mouse also so can whip the camera around to get strays/adds/etc. I tend to unbind turn left and turn right (usually A/D) and bind them to things I use a lot but don't spam (e.g. Tomahawk, your stun) that way I can't keyboard turn even if I want to and I get 2 easily accessible hotbar spots.. If you are targeting stuff with a controller than you can set up your filters so that you only target enemies when going left right (that's what the text above your hp refers to, "All", "Party", "Enemies", "Friends").

4) You can set up a separate bar on the side and drag marks onto it for easy hotbar access. I can mark 5+ mobs in lie 5 seconds, 10 seconds tops.
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