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#1 Sep 01 2013 at 6:49 PM Rating: Good
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For example, if I was to stay an Arcanist and not become a SMN or SCH, would this be a disadvantage?

Sorry, but I'm finding it hard to get any information from the game site / other sites to understand it better.
#2 Sep 01 2013 at 6:52 PM Rating: Excellent
It would be to a disadvantage insoasmuch that you wouldn't get the more specialized skillset that either have to offer -- SCH heals better than an ARC. SMN can crowd control with more options than an ARC. In that way, yes, it's a disadvantage.

Now I'm not endgame yet, but I read somewhere that you 'loose' the ability to use crossclass abilities? Can anyone chime in on that?
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Yes, you do lose a lot of advantage the job is built for. SCH heal + barrier/buff entire party, SMN has stronger pets and do lots more damage.

You only get 5 cross class abilities and they are limit to two sub-class of the respective job. SMN can't use CNJ buff for example.
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I believe you lose them, yes.

You can unequip your job any time you want to go back to the class, though, so it's no big deal.

Classes are for solo play, and jobs are for group play where you shouldn't need all the borrowed abilities from other classes to accomplish your goal.
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darexius2010, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
It would be to a disadvantage insoasmuch that you wouldn't get the more specialized skillset that either have to offer -- SCH heals better than an ARC. SMN can crowd control with more options than an ARC. In that way, yes, it's a disadvantage.

Now I'm not endgame yet, but I read somewhere that you 'loose' the ability to use crossclass abilities? Can anyone chime in on that?

You lose half of your cross-class slots and get limited to pulling abilities from just two other classes. You can go here for a nice list.

For parties, you'll definitely want to use your job. You get a stat bonus on top of some really useful job abilities. When it comes to soloing, things are a bit more vague. I personally use my job in tandem with my chocobo, but some people may be more comfortable having access to the larger cross-class pool that playing your class provides.
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Catwho wrote:
You can unequip your job any time you want to go back to the class, though, so it's no big deal.

Classes are for solo play, and jobs are for group play where you shouldn't need all the borrowed abilities from other classes to accomplish your goal.


This = perfect answer. I understand now. Thanks for that! If I'm dungeoning, then use my job, if not, then your regular class. Sweet!
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I honestly don't see any point to going blm unti Lvl 50. Having cure on backup outweighs any of those shixy skills you get as blm.
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I've compared stats for my MRD and my WAR, and there would be no reason for me to be that MRD that I can see. WAR is better statistically and carries with it the ability to have more abilities.
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I've compared stats for my MRD and my WAR, and there would be no reason for me to be that MRD that I can see. WAR is better statistically and carries with it the ability to have more abilities.


You lose Raging Strike and Life Surge. Can't remember if you can cross-class Blood for Blood.

WAR Defiance reduce your damage as well. Defiance still affects Steel Cyclone, though SC is affected by 35% less from Defiance. In the long run DPS wise MRD > WAR but they are both built as tank class.
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I honestly don't see any point to going blm unti Lvl 50. Having cure on backup outweighs any of those shixy skills you get as blm.


My black mage has physick. I haven't lost anything, actually.

BLM has so much use...freeze is AMAZING since sleep now has diminishing returns. If you freeze mobs that have DR due to sleep on them, you can buy time till the next sleep is ready. Convert is also nothing to sneeze at.

Know those primals you fight? Yes, well apocatastasis is perfect for tanks on them.

Manawall? Yeah I'd like to absorb two physical attacks every 2 minutes for free as an instant cast.

Honestly, it's the other reason around: I don't see a reason to stay THM when we're rushing our BLMs to 50 and not leveling other classes. THM has some insanely nice cross-class abilities but sadly they require the other class to be rather high.
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Just comparing lancer to dragoon and lancer looks like dragoon's retarded little brother.


If there is some reason to be a lancer over being a dragoon I'm just not seeing it. Not that I'm speaking from experience but just a preliminary view of the two class's abilities.


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Pre-ARR, I could see some reason to stay as a Conjurer over White Mage. There were a lot more cross-class abilities you could borrow, like several Thaumaturge nuking spells, back when spells were on their own individual timer.

Now, I just don't see any reason you'd want to stick with the base class once White Mage is unlocked. There's just nothing from DoW that's appealing except for a few 20 second defense moves with huge cooldowns you'd hardly think about using in the thick of things (more like, you'd be thinking about crowd control and healing, not raising your parry rate 15%). And white mage cross-classes Arcanist for relevant spells it can actually use, gets numerous exceptional spells Conjurers can't access, and can nuke as well as a Conjurer could.

Maybe I'm just not seeing something here, but Conjurer seems disappointingly superfluous post 30 if you ask me.
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Alyndr wrote:
Catwho wrote:
You can unequip your job any time you want to go back to the class, though, so it's no big deal.

Classes are for solo play, and jobs are for group play where you shouldn't need all the borrowed abilities from other classes to accomplish your goal.


This = perfect answer. I understand now. Thanks for that! If I'm dungeoning, then use my job, if not, then your regular class. Sweet!


Thank you ^^

I have been wondering the same thing.

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#15 Sep 02 2013 at 2:38 PM Rating: Default
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Alyndr wrote:
Catwho wrote:
You can unequip your job any time you want to go back to the class, though, so it's no big deal.

Classes are for solo play, and jobs are for group play where you shouldn't need all the borrowed abilities from other classes to accomplish your goal.


This = perfect answer. I understand now. Thanks for that! If I'm dungeoning, then use my job, if not, then your regular class. Sweet!


That's not really the perfect answer. Your job is better for solo play too.
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Thanks for this helpful thread.

I'm a blm level 34. My archer is level 16. I'm surprised it didn't level up, Only my THM did.
Is there a NPC I'm to go to to have it sync? Or do I have to level my sub class each time my BLM level hits an even number?
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Killua125 wrote:
Alyndr wrote:
Catwho wrote:
You can unequip your job any time you want to go back to the class, though, so it's no big deal.

Classes are for solo play, and jobs are for group play where you shouldn't need all the borrowed abilities from other classes to accomplish your goal.


This = perfect answer. I understand now. Thanks for that! If I'm dungeoning, then use my job, if not, then your regular class. Sweet!


That's not really the perfect answer. Your job is better for solo play too.


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Killua125 wrote:
Alyndr wrote:
Catwho wrote:
You can unequip your job any time you want to go back to the class, though, so it's no big deal.

Classes are for solo play, and jobs are for group play where you shouldn't need all the borrowed abilities from other classes to accomplish your goal.


This = perfect answer. I understand now. Thanks for that! If I'm dungeoning, then use my job, if not, then your regular class. Sweet!


That's not really the perfect answer. Your job is better for solo play too.


I suppose it's a personal preference. Some people like having cure spells and abilities on hand, while others don't feel the need. Or for the DDs, some of the cross class abilities are pretty useful.
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when I got the chance to play earlier today I tried using cross class abilities on my THM from ARC - I chose physik and Virus.
Along with sleep it helped me to stay alive!
Any blm type roll really is a glass cannon - and I'm not impressed at current level - 11 with the amount of damage my spells do.

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Thanks for this helpful thread.

I'm a blm level 34. My archer is level 16. I'm surprised it didn't level up, Only my THM did.
Is there a NPC I'm to go to to have it sync? Or do I have to level my sub class each time my BLM level hits an even number?

Your job's level is tied to your primary class only. The two secondary classes that you can pull additional abilities from are entirely separate entities. If you want to level ACN or ARC for more cross-class abilities, you will have to take them up individually.
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Catwho wrote:
Killua125 wrote:
Alyndr wrote:
Catwho wrote:
You can unequip your job any time you want to go back to the class, though, so it's no big deal.

Classes are for solo play, and jobs are for group play where you shouldn't need all the borrowed abilities from other classes to accomplish your goal.


This = perfect answer. I understand now. Thanks for that! If I'm dungeoning, then use my job, if not, then your regular class. Sweet!


That's not really the perfect answer. Your job is better for solo play too.


I suppose it's a personal preference. Some people like having cure spells and abilities on hand, while others don't feel the need. Or for the DDs, some of the cross class abilities are pretty useful.


I've looked at every Job vs. Class in solo play and I can say without a doubt that there is no Class which is better than its Job, ever. Even with extra options for additional skills, the Class is totally outweighed by Job skills for every situation. If a DPS Job needs extra healing or something, they can get it from their available additional skills without needing to be a Class. I can equip Bloodbath (Marauder) and Second Wind (Pugilist) to my Dragoon for example, for enough self-healing for solo play.

They should remove Classes, because they're redundant.

Edited, Sep 2nd 2013 5:50pm by Killua125
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Thanks for this helpful thread.

I'm a blm level 34. My archer is level 16. I'm surprised it didn't level up, Only my THM did.
Is there a NPC I'm to go to to have it sync? Or do I have to level my sub class each time my BLM level hits an even number?


even worse, if you want all the possible subskills(not sure how good the archer ones will be on BLM) you need to level archer(and arcanist) to level 34, and be prepared to go even higher if and when new skills are introduced

A) your 'Job' is only level sync'd with the 'class' it's born from, BLM only levels/is leveled by THM, MNK <> PUG, BRD <> Archer, etc with the unique exception of arcanist, summoner and scholar, where there's a 3-way exchange, SMN <> SCH <> Arcanist <> SMN*

B) cross-class skills are NOT level gated to 1/2 main level. a level 50 THM can use the level 42 PUG skill mantra, and a level 50 BLM can use the level 34 arcanist skill eye for an eye

C) remember, you only care about skills, there is no bonus to having an up to date subclass otherwise. If you don't want the higher level archer skills that can be cross-class, you never have to level it past 15

*meaning, once you level to 30 arcanist and unlock both SMN and SCH, if you equip SCH and never change again, you'll have all 3 of : lvl 50 SCH(from playing it), lvl 50 Arcanist(because it's linked to SCH) AND lvl 50 SMN(because it's linked to arcanist). This works with any of those 3

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#23 Sep 02 2013 at 4:08 PM Rating: Good
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I've looked at every Job vs. Class in solo play and I can say without a doubt that there is no Class which is better than its Job, ever. Even with extra options for additional skills, the Class is totally outweighed by Job skills for every situation. If a DPS Job needs extra healing or something, they can get it from their available additional skills without needing to be a Class. I can equip Bloodbath (Marauder) and Second Wind (Pugilist) to my Dragoon for example, for enough self-healing for solo play.

They should remove Classes, because they're redundant.

Edited, Sep 2nd 2013 5:50pm by Killua125


The only job I would disagree with this on is SCH. Me and someone in the IRC channel were debating over this one day and we simply couldn't find a good way to level SCH as efficiently as ACN/SMN for one simple reason; you lose Topaz Carbuncle and don't get a replacement tanking pet. I don't think any other job actually loses its' primary solo tool such as SCH does.
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The only job I would disagree with this on is SCH. Me and someone in the IRC channel were debating over this one day and we simply couldn't find a good way to level SCH as efficiently as ACN/SMN for one simple reason; you lose Topaz Carbuncle and don't get a replacement tanking pet. I don't think any other job actually loses its' primary solo tool such as SCH does.


bard as well, limited to only second wind for healing, so 1 heal every 2 minutes. monk runs into similar healing issues, but has much better defensive options
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Monk can sub Bloodbath I thought?

Not sure about Bard. BB doesn't seem like a very Bard-y skill.
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The only job I would disagree with this on is SCH. Me and someone in the IRC channel were debating over this one day and we simply couldn't find a good way to level SCH as efficiently as ACN/SMN for one simple reason; you lose Topaz Carbuncle and don't get a replacement tanking pet. I don't think any other job actually loses its' primary solo tool such as SCH does.


bard as well, limited to only second wind for healing, so 1 heal every 2 minutes. monk runs into similar healing issues, but has much better defensive options

As an ARC/BRD, I prefer to solo on BRD with my chocobo out. Even when I'm doing chocobo restricted activities such as GC Leves, I still use BRD for of the stat bonus. Worst case scenario, I just kite whatever I'm fighting to make up for any lost healing abilities. I rarely have to do that, though.
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[quote=Grandmomma]Thanks for this helpful thread.

I'm a blm level 34. My archer is level 16. I'm surprised it didn't level up, Only my THM did.
Is there a NPC I'm to go to to have it sync? Or do I have to level my sub class each time my BLM level hits an even number?


even worse, if you want all the possible subskills(not sure how good the archer ones will be on BLM) you need to level archer(and arcanist) to level 34, and be prepared to go even higher if and when new skills are introduced

A) your 'Job' is only level sync'd with the 'class' it's born from, BLM only levels/is leveled by THM, MNK <> PUG, BRD <> Archer, etc with the unique exception of arcanist, summoner and scholar, where there's a 3-way exchange, SMN <> SCH <> Arcanist <> SMN*

B) cross-class skills are NOT level gated to 1/2 main level. a level 50 THM can use the level 42 PUG skill mantra, and a level 50 BLM can use the level 34 arcanist skill eye for an eye

C) remember, you only care about skills, there is no bonus to having an up to date subclass otherwise. If you don't want the higher level archer skills that can be cross-class, you never have to level it past 15

*meaning, once you level to 30 arcanist and unlock both SMN and SCH, if you equip SCH and never change again, you'll have all 3 of : lvl 50 SCH(from playing it), lvl 50 Arcanist(because it's linked to SCH) AND lvl 50 SMN(because it's linked to arcanist). This works with any of those 3

Thanks so much, very helpful!!

What about the stats increas, like agility from the Archer advancing? Doesn't that carry over to the BLM?

Oh and somehow this looks like I'm questioning and answering myself lol. Not sure how that happened.


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I've looked at every Job vs. Class in solo play and I can say without a doubt that there is no Class which is better than its Job, ever. Even with extra options for additional skills, the Class is totally outweighed by Job skills for every situation. If a DPS Job needs extra healing or something, they can get it from their available additional skills without needing to be a Class. I can equip Bloodbath (Marauder) and Second Wind (Pugilist) to my Dragoon for example, for enough self-healing for solo play.

They should remove Classes, because they're redundant.

Edited, Sep 2nd 2013 5:50pm by Killua125


Then you need to take off your Troll Glasses, put on some reading glasses, and look again.

Pre-40 Paladin doesn't really have anything to offer over Gladiator. And in fact it's *easier* as a tank to go as Gladiator for anything below 40 simply due to the sheer number of cooldowns you can cycle between in the lower dungeons to smooth out your damage intake.

You get a small boost in health at those levels, minor threat increase through STR, but nothing of value. It's not until you get Shield Oath that really makes it worth equipping. You're structurally weaker for 30-39 as a Paladin simply due to losing out on PUG and LNC cooldowns to help survivability (and if you're going to be a tank you're going all the way or go home).
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Raise. I just want to smack other people in party when they all thought only WHM could raise. You can raise without being targeted in combat. I tried to raise a tank mid battle once and when the spell was about to finish, he returned to the entrance and left us to fight for ourselves. Awesome. Even better, BRD who refused to raise.

Raise is only cross-classable for very few job but for all classes. Basic 101 for 1.0 players. Everyone used to stack raise, now nobody even thought of it (and wasted tons of time wading through easy dungeons. Healer down, whole party died, when it could have been easily avoidable by raising the Healer.). You don't really need specialised jobs way until the very few end-game dungeons, or you are already very familiar with the dungeons and don't make mistake.
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Raise. I just want to smack other people in party when they all thought only WHM could raise. You can raise without being targeted in combat. I tried to raise a tank mid battle once and when the spell was about to finish, he returned to the entrance and left us to fight for ourselves. Awesome. Even better, BRD who refused to raise.

Raise is only cross-classable for very few job but for all classes. Basic 101 for 1.0 players. Everyone used to stack raise, now nobody even thought of it (and wasted tons of time wading through easy dungeons. Healer down, whole party died, when it could have been easily avoidable by raising the Healer.). You don't really need specialised jobs way until the very few end-game dungeons, or you are already very familiar with the dungeons and don't make mistake.


This is why sometimes its better to use class instead of Job. You lose a lot of abilities when you switch to a job. And to be honest, only having one person able to raise in these dungeons is horrid. Even more so horrid is not having swiftcast so you can insta raise anyone who goes down. I do this all the time on my SMN only to see people not take it or release. The times when people do take it, instead of having to wipe we recover and win.
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I've looked at every Job vs. Class in solo play and I can say without a doubt that there is no Class which is better than its Job, ever. Even with extra options for additional skills, the Class is totally outweighed by Job skills for every situation. If a DPS Job needs extra healing or something, they can get it from their available additional skills without needing to be a Class. I can equip Bloodbath (Marauder) and Second Wind (Pugilist) to my Dragoon for example, for enough self-healing for solo play.

They should remove Classes, because they're redundant.

Edited, Sep 2nd 2013 5:50pm by Killua125


Then you need to take off your Troll Glasses, put on some reading glasses, and look again.

Pre-40 Paladin doesn't really have anything to offer over Gladiator. And in fact it's *easier* as a tank to go as Gladiator for anything below 40 simply due to the sheer number of cooldowns you can cycle between in the lower dungeons to smooth out your damage intake.

You get a small boost in health at those levels, minor threat increase through STR, but nothing of value. It's not until you get Shield Oath that really makes it worth equipping. You're structurally weaker for 30-39 as a Paladin simply due to losing out on PUG and LNC cooldowns to help survivability (and if you're going to be a tank you're going all the way or go home).


Thats how i feel about Gladiator aswell, the cross class abilities help alot when tanking!
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From what I saw, leveling would be easier with CNJ and the defensive cross-class abilities that are useful solo, but the WHM abilities are going to be better for lvl 50 parties. Divine Seal (30% healing boost), Benediction (100% HP heal), seem like must haves for End-Game.
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One thing I found was that putting your cross-class abilites in order of level (right to left) is helpful for when you are level synched.

Your available cross-class slots are decreased when you level synch. If you have high level abilities in the first couple slots, when you synch down to 10 or 20 you will not have access to any of them!

Raise is good for the 3rd slot, so you will have it when synched to lvl 15 or higher. (*I think that's right.)
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I didn't realize I could equip raise on my gladiator! Niiiiice!


Meh... I don't know. There are other more important def abilities to use on the GLA than take a slot with raise. I'll slot the LNC Keen whatever-the-****, PGL featherfoot, and MRD Foresight. As a tank, I live by the creed I go down first, so using raise is outta the question for me. If the healer goes down before me, I know I am next so raise doesn't do anyone any good there either. Maybe a dps should slot it?
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I didn't realize I could equip raise on my gladiator! Niiiiice!


Meh... I don't know. There are other more important def abilities to use on the GLA than take a slot with raise. I'll slot the LNC Keen whatever-the-****, PGL featherfoot, and MRD Foresight. As a tank, I live by the creed I go down first, so using raise is outta the question for me. If the healer goes down before me, I know I am next so raise doesn't do anyone any good there either. Maybe a dps should slot it?



I can tell you where having raise is better for the tank. You go down, the healer is next on the list. If the healer manages to get you up(Swiftcast+raise), then goes down, you can now get the healer back up while the DD kite.
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At endgame in a party, yes - jobs are non-negotiable once you have all the specialist actions.

At level 35 on my THM/BLM, I generally go THM as in most dungeons as its nice to be able to support heal especially whilst some of the newer white mages are learning that keeping the tank alive is more important that playing a dps role on bosses.

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Even better, BRD who refused to raise.

Pretty sure a Bard cannot equip raise.
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Khornette wrote:
Even better, BRD who refused to raise.

Pretty sure a Bard cannot equip raise.

we can't, think it was beta 4 they changed us from arc/cnj to arc/pug so the idea of support/DD actually stuck(unlike in other games where support means poor healer)
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There should be more differences between jobs and classes, enough to the point where there are MAJOR arguments on the forums and such regarding whether it's better to role MRD or WAR in certain situations. It would make for a more interesting party selection being able to have a mix of jobs and classes. I'm afraid Killua is right, classes will become obsolete at high levels.

I'll surely shed a tear when I have to quit being a MAURADER, and take what I view as a step down to a generic old as the hills ff-wise plain ol warrior.
I actually LIKED the fact that 14 deviated from it's "classic" roles (jobs) at first. The idea of being an axe wielding pirate was kind of refreshing. It's hard to explain.

I just hope rolling as a Class instead of job at 50 isn't just going to be straight gimping yourself. If it is, why even have the option to remove the job crystal? Just get rid of classes, or give them something special that jobs can't do. Maybe class exclusive equipment? Don't just make classes feel like baggage from 1.0

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At endgame in a party, yes - jobs are non-negotiable once you have all the specialist actions.

At level 35 on my THM/BLM, I generally go THM as in most dungeons as its nice to be able to support heal especially whilst some of the newer white mages are learning that keeping the tank alive is more important that playing a dps role on bosses.



You can go blm and still heal, just level up you carbie, you get the heal from arcanist. This way you can be a BLM.

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I've looked at every Job vs. Class in solo play and I can say without a doubt that there is no Class which is better than its Job, ever. Even with extra options for additional skills, the Class is totally outweighed by Job skills for every situation. If a DPS Job needs extra healing or something, they can get it from their available additional skills without needing to be a Class. I can equip Bloodbath (Marauder) and Second Wind (Pugilist) to my Dragoon for example, for enough self-healing for solo play.

They should remove Classes, because they're redundant.

That 20% damage nerf and loss of abilities like bloodbath really makes BRD so much better for solo play than archer, doesn't it? /endsarcasm
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At endgame in a party, yes - jobs are non-negotiable once you have all the specialist actions.

At level 35 on my THM/BLM, I generally go THM as in most dungeons as its nice to be able to support heal especially whilst some of the newer white mages are learning that keeping the tank alive is more important that playing a dps role on bosses.



You can go blm and still heal, just level up you carbie, you get the heal from arcanist. This way you can be a BLM.

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That is useful info. thanks.

Of course, I hope that the new WHM and CNJ's soon learn how to heal so I don't have to, but in the meantime, it is worth me levelling ACN to get this capability.
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I've looked at every Job vs. Class in solo play and I can say without a doubt that there is no Class which is better than its Job, ever. Even with extra options for additional skills, the Class is totally outweighed by Job skills for every situation. If a DPS Job needs extra healing or something, they can get it from their available additional skills without needing to be a Class. I can equip Bloodbath (Marauder) and Second Wind (Pugilist) to my Dragoon for example, for enough self-healing for solo play.

They should remove Classes, because they're redundant.

Edited, Sep 2nd 2013 5:50pm by Killua125


I have been on these forums on and off for over 10 years - since launch of FFXI (under a couple of different login ID's) and this is the most ludicrous comment I have ever read on the ZAM forums. I pray (and I'm an atheist) we never group together on duty finder, as this is absolute nonsense.

Firstly, Classes outskill jobs for solo'ing at every level up to 50. I know this to be true as a legacy player with every job at 50 and there is not a single one for which the job is better than the class when solo'ing.

When grouping, I agree that post level 35, you will never play your class (without your job) but even then it is marginal. Until level 50, the lack of additional skills may make it unclear which is advantageous. At 50, admittedly, the full extent of job skills will make it far more beneficial to play job than class.

Usually Killua is just a troll. On this, he is grossly incompetent and spreading absolute lies for anyone soloing or grouping pre level 40.

Edit: I might revise my comment re. up to level 50 for "all jobs". Paladin is a pretty handy solo job given self healing capabilities. The essence of my post is the same however.

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I find when in a party either for a dungeon or doing FATEs that my SCH the best at healing and keeping members alive. But, when soloing for either quest or farming mats I change back to ACN. I find carby much more useful then Eos or Selene when i have to kill mobs.
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I would solo WHM over CNJ for Holy.

The cross classes you lose are not incredibly useful at any rate, Featherfoot, Foresight, Keen Flurry, Aweareness, Thunder I.

Holy + Divine Seal + Benediction kick those cross-class abilities in the nuts.

Edited, Sep 4th 2013 9:24am by Gnu
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darexius2010, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
It would be to a disadvantage insoasmuch that you wouldn't get the more specialized skillset that either have to offer -- SCH heals better than an ARC. SMN can crowd control with more options than an ARC. In that way, yes, it's a disadvantage.

Now I'm not endgame yet, but I read somewhere that you 'loose' the ability to use crossclass abilities? Can anyone chime in on that?

You lose half of your cross-class slots and get limited to pulling abilities from just two other classes. You can go here for a nice list.

For parties, you'll definitely want to use your job. You get a stat bonus on top of some really useful job abilities. When it comes to soloing, things are a bit more vague. I personally use my job in tandem with my chocobo, but some people may be more comfortable having access to the larger cross-class pool that playing your class provides.


That chocobo is not to be reckoned with! Plus, the job traits you unlock are really useful, at least on blm.

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