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#1 Sep 01 2013 at 7:52 PM Rating: Decent
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I am kind of confused about the leveling progression of an Arcanist. Is it possible to be both a Summoner and a Scholar? Is it easy to switch between these two roles? Also, if you have both of them unlocked, will they both level at the same pace considering they would be both linked to your Arcanist? Any insight would be appreciated. Thanks!
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#2 Sep 01 2013 at 9:51 PM Rating: Good
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Yes.
Yes, just swap job stone. Alternatively, save the equipment set and switch through equipment set list.
Yes, the job level is the same as class level and when you level they are all leveled.
Basically, you get to do both job quests at each lvl 30, 35, 40, 45 and 50.
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#3 Sep 01 2013 at 10:19 PM Rating: Decent
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Thank you, that is amazing news. I feel so happy with the choice to have went with Arcanist. It will allow me to easily swap between the roles of dps and healer, which I both enjoy. I will be moving forward with playing both Scholar and Summoner.

To unlock Summoner I need Arcanist and Thaumataurge, right? What classes do I need to unlock Scholar? Arcanist and Conjuror?
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#4 Sep 03 2013 at 8:26 AM Rating: Decent
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DrCapricious wrote:
To unlock Summoner I need Arcanist and Thaumataurge, right? What classes do I need to unlock Scholar? Arcanist and Conjuror?


Correct on both counts.
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#5 Sep 20 2013 at 9:43 AM Rating: Decent
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The only thing I would like to add, is scholar's main attribute is Mind, whereas Summoner's is Intellect. Which means, you will have to spend 10,000 Seals from your Grand Company in order to reset your attributes should you wish to be at the top of your game in either job role.
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#6 Sep 21 2013 at 4:03 PM Rating: Default
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Kardall wrote:
The only thing I would like to add, is scholar's main attribute is Mind, whereas Summoner's is Intellect. Which means, you will have to spend 10,000 Seals from your Grand Company in order to reset your attributes should you wish to be at the top of your game in either job role.



Yeah, thats a huge downside honestly. BUT to be fair scholars probably aren't as good as white mage regardless of points in mind... Sooo You could do 50/50 or play up on ARC natural strengths and do 100% Int.

If that really hinders my scholars ability to heal then ill re-spec..
#7 Sep 23 2013 at 7:35 AM Rating: Good
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ACAardvark wrote:
Kardall wrote:
The only thing I would like to add, is scholar's main attribute is Mind, whereas Summoner's is Intellect. Which means, you will have to spend 10,000 Seals from your Grand Company in order to reset your attributes should you wish to be at the top of your game in either job role.



Yeah, thats a huge downside honestly. BUT to be fair scholars probably aren't as good as white mage regardless of points in mind... Sooo You could do 50/50 or play up on ARC natural strengths and do 100% Int.

If that really hinders my scholars ability to heal then ill re-spec..


This is so wrong. They are both equal. I have both at 50 and prefer my SCH for healing.
#8 Sep 24 2013 at 2:46 AM Rating: Good
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Yeah, thats a huge downside honestly. BUT to be fair scholars probably aren't as good as white mage regardless of points in mind...


SCH and WHM have different approaches to healing but both are excellent. I can see them working really well together too. So far (I'm only 46) I've had no issues on SCH and much prefer it to WHM. Don't underestimate SCH's MP management tools over WHMs either. They do things differently but both are very, very useful. SCH's weakest point is probably between 30 and 40 but after that they really do some amazing things.

Edited, Sep 24th 2013 4:46am by eldelphia
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#9 Sep 25 2013 at 3:40 PM Rating: Good
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nonameoflevi wrote:
ACAardvark wrote:
Kardall wrote:
The only thing I would like to add, is scholar's main attribute is Mind, whereas Summoner's is Intellect. Which means, you will have to spend 10,000 Seals from your Grand Company in order to reset your attributes should you wish to be at the top of your game in either job role.



Yeah, thats a huge downside honestly. BUT to be fair scholars probably aren't as good as white mage regardless of points in mind... Sooo You could do 50/50 or play up on ARC natural strengths and do 100% Int.

If that really hinders my scholars ability to heal then ill re-spec..


This is so wrong. They are both equal. I have both at 50 and prefer my SCH for healing.


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Yeah, thats a huge downside honestly. BUT to be fair scholars probably aren't as good as white mage regardless of points in mind...


SCH and WHM have different approaches to healing but both are excellent. I can see them working really well together too. So far (I'm only 46) I've had no issues on SCH and much prefer it to WHM. Don't underestimate SCH's MP management tools over WHMs either. They do things differently but both are very, very useful. SCH's weakest point is probably between 30 and 40 but after that they really do some amazing things.

Edited, Sep 24th 2013 4:46am by eldelphia


Thanks, I guess I'm ignorant in that regard because I typically play the healer and rarely see white mages because of that.
Honestly I'm really glad I'm wrong because scholar is an amazing job!!
Im only now pushing lvl 40 so theres a lot of content I haven't seen yet. My oppinion is far from expert, so I probably shouldn't have given it in the first place, lol

#10 Sep 27 2013 at 6:22 AM Rating: Decent
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I have a SMN/SCH at 50 and really enjoy healing. I put most of my bonus points into MND and a few in INT. I'm thinking of purchasing the respec and going full MND for the best healing, but that would hinder my SMN too much I think, so I'll leave it at the 70/30 it is currently at. As for healing, I party with a WHM frequently for HM Ifrit and I think we work excellent together. He has stronger heals and aoe HoT spells, while I have shielding heals and a fairy with some amazing support spells (20% magic damage reduction and 20% increased healing power is nothing to scoff at). I can't say which is the "better" healer because it depends on the player behind the character, not just spells and abilities given to each class. I see very few scholars in the level 50 dungeons when I choose to dps, it's always a WHM healing the party. Don't know how to explain that, but those WHM don't know what they are missing! I find SCH to be a very fun healing class with the ability to assist with dps when the healing requirements are low.

Edited, Sep 27th 2013 8:23am by Soraseta

Edited, Sep 27th 2013 8:23am by Soraseta
#11 Sep 30 2013 at 3:11 AM Rating: Good
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I hit 50 over the weekend and got to try some of the level 50 instances. I really like it when as a SCH I get teamed up with a WHM. Meshes perfectly and we both bring something unique to the table.
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#12 Oct 01 2013 at 8:30 AM Rating: Decent
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Over the past few days I've been playing SMN. Seems to be fine with its DPS even with all my bonus points in MND. My INT is sitll higher.
#13 Oct 02 2013 at 1:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Kardall wrote:
The only thing I would like to add, is scholar's main attribute is Mind, whereas Summoner's is Intellect. Which means, you will have to spend 10,000 Seals from your Grand Company in order to reset your attributes should you wish to be at the top of your game in either job role.


http://xivdb.com/?skill/122/Cleric-Stance

I really wish this was SMN usable , it would fix that issue.

Edited, Oct 2nd 2013 3:22pm by Casnik
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#14 Oct 07 2013 at 9:19 AM Rating: Good
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Casnik wrote:
Kardall wrote:
The only thing I would like to add, is scholar's main attribute is Mind, whereas Summoner's is Intellect. Which means, you will have to spend 10,000 Seals from your Grand Company in order to reset your attributes should you wish to be at the top of your game in either job role.


http://xivdb.com/?skill/122/Cleric-Stance

I really wish this was SMN usable , it would fix that issue.

Edited, Oct 2nd 2013 3:22pm by Casnik


Cleric Stance doesn't make much sense for SMN, because even after assigning the vast majority of my points to MND, my SMN still has a much higher INT than MND.
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#15 Oct 07 2013 at 10:55 AM Rating: Excellent
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Recently got ACN to 50 and did the level 50 job quests for both SMN and SCH.

It is certainly faster to get a party on SCH, and I have had no issues running 4 man dungeons with it so far; just unlocked the Keep, though, and have yet to try it. Never had an 8 man dungeon with 2 SCH, so I don't know how that would go.

I did 20 INT and 10 MND. Like others, though, I may change that. It would probably be a swap for me since my character is a Duskwight Elezen, which naturally has very high INT. CNJ gets several Enhanced MND trait boosts, along with no problem choosing where to put their attribute points. That alone gives them a big advantage in cure potency.

My dilemma now is choosing which relic to do first. Part of me feels like I'd get a bigger advantage from the Veil of Wiyu, but there's definitely a lot of utility to be had in the Omnilex given how much I run on SCH. Either way, need to get cracking on Alchemy :D
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