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#1 Sep 05 2013 at 10:44 AM Rating: Decent
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Ok, we're going to have another FC Meeting this Sunday at 8pm. We'll be discussing officer nominations, creating linkshells for different aspects of the FC, FC forums, and anything else you guys want to discuss. Post here any topics you'd like to have added to the agenda.
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#2 Sep 05 2013 at 12:27 PM Rating: Excellent
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BartelX wrote:
Ok, we're going to have another FC Meeting this Sunday at 8pm. We'll be discussing officer nominations, creating linkshells for different aspects of the FC, FC forums, and anything else you guys want to discuss. Post here any topics you'd like to have added to the agenda.


Figures.. I am heading to Vermont that day for a 3 day conference. I'll have to read notes.
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#3 Sep 05 2013 at 12:35 PM Rating: Excellent
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Setting up a group or volunteers to help with mandatory story dungeons would be nice, or setting up days for various primal/dungeon runs.
And, maybe it's just me missing it, have reasons to party up game more often. Get a big FATE group together or something.
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Awesome, I will be able to log in for this meeting. Still going to have Vent for this meeting as well?
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Want to know if those who are not officers will still have access to the company chest in the same manner as officers currently (since we are significantly cutting the officer population). Obviously new members may have to earn access to withdraw from the chest, but what about the current officers who did not win the popularity contest? Will there be an intermediate class available for us or is it tough luck... Personally, I wear the tags proudly on my AF, I would like to have at least the same access I currently possess as officer. I don't really care about the status, I just want the perks.
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Valkayree wrote:
Want to know if those who are not officers will still have access to the company chest in the same manner as officers currently (since we are significantly cutting the officer population). Obviously new members may have to earn access to withdraw from the chest, but what about the current officers who did not win the popularity contest? Will there be an intermediate class available for us or is it tough luck... Personally, I wear the tags proudly on my AF, I would like to have at least the same access I currently possess as officer. I don't really care about the status, I just want the perks.


I'm with Valk on this... I'm not online nearly as much as the rest of you due to RL obligations... and honestly I prefer to not be single again...

I was an officer in many a guild/linkshell over the years.. but not at this point in my life.

That being said, I would still like to feel like I'm appreciated as a contributing member even if I am not the most popular person in the FC.
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#7 Sep 05 2013 at 2:07 PM Rating: Good
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It's certainly possible to create a rank that has access to the chest but is not an officer, the question really is whether we want to stratify members like that. It's worth discussing for sure.
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Archmage Callinon wrote:
It's certainly possible to create a rank that has access to the chest but is not an officer, the question really is whether we want to stratify members like that. It's worth discussing for sure.


I don't see the point in limiting this access... why should we?

I'm barely able to play compared to most people, so I have no votes up there. But I have helped people in the FC when I'm online and I have added some stuff into the chest as well as taken a couple of small things too.

I think telling somebody they are not good enough to access the chest is a bunch of rubbish if you ask me.

What's next? Will we have a bouncer at the door to keep the ugly people out of the cool people club when we get our housing?

Edited, Sep 5th 2013 4:21pm by Hairspray
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#9 Sep 05 2013 at 2:27 PM Rating: Excellent
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The issue is that we have an extremely open recruitment policy, and we should as a casual FC.

So do we just give every random person on the server full access to the chest? Because I'm pretty sure it's all or nothing; they either have unrestricted access, or none.

I support the idea of some kind of "full member" rank, I'm just not sure that such a thing is necessarily conducive to a casual environment. In a raiding guild, it'd be no problem.. you have your trial rank and your member rank. But a casual one? I just don't know if that's appropriate or not.

That's why I'm saying it's worth discussing. There are pros and cons to both.

I definitely don't think that officers should be the only ones with bank access, I think that's problematic.
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Hairspray wrote:


What's next? Will we have a bouncer at the door to keep the ugly people out of the cool people club when we get our housing?

Edited, Sep 5th 2013 4:21pm by Hairspray


What the **** else am I supposed to do for this FC?
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While I am all for everyone having access to the chest, I do think that new members (people we don't know or just met including new people to the forum) should have a trial period where they either have little or no access to it because there are people who will join just to steal the FC loot. I had this happen a few times in WoW before I put the brakes on it by modifying the ranks. Just my two cents but I will save the rest of my thoughts on this subject for Sunday if I can make it.

Edited, Sep 5th 2013 4:56pm by princessary
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#12 Sep 05 2013 at 4:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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While we are at it, maybe a discussion of what should even go in the FC chest? I know the other day it was full of a bunch of random stuff as if someone were using it instead of getting a retainer ><

Edited, Sep 5th 2013 6:34pm by purethulium
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#13 Sep 05 2013 at 4:53 PM Rating: Excellent
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Wow, I should actually make this one! I feel like such a team player now! Smiley: cry

That said, yeah, the talk will probably turn to "direction" again. Grouping up for dungeon runs, FATEs, etc.

Also, being limited in my playtime, I have no problem being lower on the totem pole, but I too will have to admit to wishing access to the Company Chest, but only in the sense that I'd like to place crafting items in there for people who might require them. On my days off, I'll probably be farming mats like a fiend ( I seriously have nothing better to do), and would like the opportunity to assist the Free Company in that sense, if nothing else.

Oh, and is there going to be a rule about alts being in the Free Company? I mean, I know I have a LOT of characters, but I've intentionally kept them out of the Free Company 'cause I didn't want to be seen as a mooch. However, my crafting alt is now starting to get higher, and as stated above, I'd like to be able to drop mats in the Company Chest for others to use. He's the only one I'd wish to add at this point though, but it might come up again for others at some point as well.

We'll have to hammer things out eventually, but it looks like we're heading in the right direction...
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While we are at it, maybe a discussion of what should even go in the FC chest? I know the other day it was full of a bunch of random stuff as if someone were using it instead of getting a retainer ><

Edited, Sep 5th 2013 6:34pm by purethulium


Well you have to admit, it's a lot easier to get to and use than a retainer Smiley: clown

No but seriously, that thing's tiny.. it needs to hold useful things.
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No one who is currently an officer will lose any privileges. The basic plan will be to give everyone the rank of member, which is exactly the same as the current officer rank, just with a different title. I will create an officer tier, which will have more permissions, such as spending company credits and changing the company action. New members will be put into an "initiate" rank with limited options. Once we get forums established, we'll have everyone register on the forums with their in-game name as well as their ZAM forum name. Anyone who does not register after a set amount of time, will be bumped down to initiate rank until they do so.

We'll go over stuff in more detail on Sunday night.
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#16 Sep 05 2013 at 5:18 PM Rating: Good
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Can't we just have limited access (amounts) that are withdrawn by all members per week. And if there is a need for use of resources in the treasury that benefit the whole crew we can make exceptions? Pretty sure at this point, FC gil only needs a be used for our housing 'project' when that occurs This is just an opinion and I do not agree or disagree, yet, with any points made thus far...
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Can't we just have limited access (amounts) that are withdrawn by all members per week. And if there is a need for use of resources in the treasury that benefit the whole crew we can make exceptions? Pretty sure at this point, FC gil only needs a be used for our housing 'project' when that occurs This is just an opinion and I do not agree or disagree, yet, with any points made thus far...


There's no setting for that. Either someone has total unrestricted access, or no access at all.

And that's exactly what the gil is doing right now.
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Understood.
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I should actually be able to attend this time barring any unfortunate accidents. *knock on wood* Everything I would have wanted to talk about has already been mentioned. I really wish they had an option to allow deposits of either gil or items into the chest and a separate rule that allows withdrawal. That being said we really need to figure out a system for depositing items into the chest as it really gets filled up with crap even after I take out things that are easy to obtain.

It only takes someone a minute to fill the chest with crap but takes like a hour or so to organize everything.
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...even after I take out things that are easy to obtain.


Please keep doing that. It is SUPER helpful.
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Once we get officers instituted, this will probably be a part of that responsibility as well, to keep the FC chests clean. I go in once or twice a day and try and clear out the crap, but it seems to fill up even faster than I can do manage. So hopefully we can have a bunch of officers who will all check it occasionally and keep emptying out the crap.

As for the setting, SE in their infinite brilliance, decided that the FC chest, as well as the FC bank should either be an all or nothing ordeal, with absolutely no settings to only withdraw or only deposit, so unfortunately our hands are tied on that front. Hopefully that gets addressed soon.
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#22 Sep 06 2013 at 6:17 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'm in favor of people needing to go through a trial period before becoming full members, and thus having access to the chest. I don't think it should only be limited to the people who won the popularity contest however.

I would like to put things into the chest knowing that it was for the betterment of the entire FC.

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It's certainly possible to create a rank that has access to the chest but is not an officer, the question really is whether we want to stratify members like that. It's worth discussing for sure.


If 200 people are going to be putting into a chest that only 8 people can take from, no one will contribute to the chest. You will lose members that way, and no one wants that, especially me. You should restrict access to new members who may potentially join to take advantage of perks, but then open up the access to those who have been members for a period of time (one month or so). Stratification is badly needed if the officer population will be severely cut.
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#24 Sep 06 2013 at 9:02 AM Rating: Good
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BartelX wrote:
No one who is currently an officer will lose any privileges. The basic plan will be to give everyone the rank of member, which is exactly the same as the current officer rank, just with a different title. I will create an officer tier, which will have more permissions, such as spending company credits and changing the company action. New members will be put into an "initiate" rank with limited options. Once we get forums established, we'll have everyone register on the forums with their in-game name as well as their ZAM forum name. Anyone who does not register after a set amount of time, will be bumped down to initiate rank until they do so.

We'll go over stuff in more detail on Sunday night.


Ok, sorry, didnt see that. Rock on Bartel, I am good.
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I should actually be able to attend this time barring any unfortunate accidents. *knock on wood* Everything I would have wanted to talk about has already been mentioned. I really wish they had an option to allow deposits of either gil or items into the chest and a separate rule that allows withdrawal. That being said we really need to figure out a system for depositing items into the chest as it really gets filled up with crap even after I take out things that are easy to obtain.

It only takes someone a minute to fill the chest with crap but takes like a hour or so to organize everything.


Hopefully that will be addressed with inventory and retainer sorting in the patch 2.1
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Can't we just have limited access (amounts) that are withdrawn by all members per week. And if there is a need for use of resources in the treasury that benefit the whole crew we can make exceptions? Pretty sure at this point, FC gil only needs a be used for our housing 'project' when that occurs This is just an opinion and I do not agree or disagree, yet, with any points made thus far...


There's no setting for that. Either someone has total unrestricted access, or no access at all.

And that's exactly what the gil is doing right now.


Its a good idea to do that with gil. It is for the same reason that organizations have treasurers instead of a bright little piggy bank full of money sitting ungaurded by the entry/exit door.
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#27 Sep 06 2013 at 9:56 AM Rating: Excellent
Maybe what we need is a place on our forum where crafters can make requests for materials they need... and then, if people happen to farm these extra materials, then they can place those mats in the chest to fulfill those requests. That would keep the chest from getting filled with useless stuff that nobody really wants/needs.

Or, maybe we could prohibit certain items from being placed in there... like, no raw materials. Why fill it up with copper and tin ores, when there could be stacks of bronze ingots instead? That kind of thing could help save room.
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Thayos wrote:
Maybe what we need is a place on our forum where crafters can make requests for materials they need... and then, if people happen to farm these extra materials, then they can place those mats in the chest to fulfill those requests. That would keep the chest from getting filled with useless stuff that nobody really wants/needs.

Or, maybe we could prohibit certain items from being placed in there... like, no raw materials. Why fill it up with copper and tin ores, when there could be stacks of bronze ingots instead? That kind of thing could help save room.


While we are at it, we need a place on our forum where we can put up the contact person who has lvl 50 in a particular craft. I automatically volunteer my services for free once I hit GLD lvl 50 to any aspiring Kraken Club black mage needing crafting or melding to make their relic weapon. Currently I am GLD 24 but I will keep grinding.

Edited, Sep 6th 2013 11:38am by Valkayree
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#29 Sep 06 2013 at 11:31 AM Rating: Excellent
We could also have a rule such as no more than one or two stacks of the same material in the chest, or no more than one of each type of gear... and possibly have a level requirement for any gear/materia in there. Again, we need to take measures to keep out useless junk.

We could also implement the same general rule we have at my workplace... anything left in the chest for more than a week gets tossed.
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Archmage Callinon wrote:
It's certainly possible to create a rank that has access to the chest but is not an officer, the question really is whether we want to stratify members like that. It's worth discussing for sure.


I don't see the point in limiting this access... why should we?

I'm barely able to play compared to most people, so I have no votes up there. But I have helped people in the FC when I'm online and I have added some stuff into the chest as well as taken a couple of small things too.

I think telling somebody they are not good enough to access the chest is a bunch of rubbish if you ask me.

What's next? Will we have a bouncer at the door to keep the ugly people out of the cool people club when we get our housing?

Edited, Sep 5th 2013 4:21pm by Hairspray


I don't get into FC like that. I was in a Rank 5 FC. And there was only one xp action up. I asked howcome we don't add a craft action enhancement or something. The leader told me to "watch my word". I just left and I'm more viable than him in terms of crafts leveled etc and I can play heal job really good. I'll create my own **** FC, can't deal with ppl nonesense in the Virtual world. I have enough to deal with my "real boss".
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Hairspray wrote:
Archmage Callinon wrote:
It's certainly possible to create a rank that has access to the chest but is not an officer, the question really is whether we want to stratify members like that. It's worth discussing for sure.


I don't see the point in limiting this access... why should we?

I'm barely able to play compared to most people, so I have no votes up there. But I have helped people in the FC when I'm online and I have added some stuff into the chest as well as taken a couple of small things too.

I think telling somebody they are not good enough to access the chest is a bunch of rubbish if you ask me.

What's next? Will we have a bouncer at the door to keep the ugly people out of the cool people club when we get our housing?

Edited, Sep 5th 2013 4:21pm by Hairspray


I don't get into FC like that. I was in a Rank 5 FC. And there was only one xp action up. I asked howcome we don't add a craft action enhancement or something. The leader told me to "watch my word". I just left and I'm more viable than him in terms of crafts leveled etc and I can play heal job really good. I'll create my own **** FC, can't deal with ppl nonesense in the Virtual world. I have enough to deal with my "real boss".


Well guys, the issue is that you could have RMT posting as a real player, befriend someone, get invited, then go and swipe the chest. Has anyone thought about that? Read DareKnight's blogs for an EVE Online example of how this sort of work is pulled off. We put some pretty valuable quest related stuff in there to help folks along the way, and it would suck to have someone come along, jank our stuff, and then leave the FC. Just saying. There's a one year grace period on my job, for pretty much the same reason.
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I honestly don't think there should be overly valuable items in the company chest. I agree that once we have a forum in place we should have a request platform for stuff like that.
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Bump so more people see this.
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We could also have a rule such as no more than one or two stacks of the same material in the chest, or no more than one of each type of gear... and possibly have a level requirement for any gear/materia in there. Again, we need to take measures to keep out useless junk.

We could also implement the same general rule we have at my workplace... anything left in the chest for more than a week gets tossed.


I've been doing some of the behind the scene clean up on the chest.
I'm the one that goes through and organizes it, and if stuff sits to long I've been taking it out selling it and giving the money to Bartel for our house funding.
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