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#1 Sep 09 2013 at 3:18 AM Rating: Decent
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Guys,

I just got 50 and I have full af so my gear is pretty much decent. However, some people are annoying. After 1st wipe they leave or when they check your gear. I just got 50 how do you want me to have good gear and I cannot even find members to finish the dungeon ? I understand that having good gear is indeed helpful, but its hard for a dps to find a queue because it takes at least 35-60 min. This really gets on my nerves.
#2 Sep 09 2013 at 3:29 AM Rating: Good
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Amdapor keep is a dps check dungeon, if you dont do enough the group will fail.

People may look at your gear, realise your new to 50 and quit because they think you wont manage the dps check. I can safely say that "some" fresh 50's can do enough damage but alot do nowere near enough.

If your having trouble with this, try getting your jobs ifrit weapon.
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#3 Sep 09 2013 at 3:49 AM Rating: Decent
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so whats the best dungeon to farm tomestones ? since it would be hard to do AK. ill just farm for Darklight gear but what dungeon do you suggest to do ? (for tomestones)
#4 Sep 09 2013 at 3:57 AM Rating: Good
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You could do the last couple story dungeons, castrum and prae. Also if your in a free company maybe some people in there may run you through the keep.
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#5 Sep 09 2013 at 4:23 AM Rating: Good
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Wanderer Palace drop iLvl 55, Amdapor Keep drop iLvl 60. Naturally people would prefer you to farm iLvl 55 before iLvl 60.
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#6 Sep 09 2013 at 4:37 AM Rating: Good
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While you can do AK with full AF and a level 50 GC weapon, I would recommend you at last get Ifrit's weapon before doing that (if not more).

As mentioned, Praetorium and Castrum (the last two story dungeons) will award you 100 tomes each upon completion. Farm these as they are not as gear dependent. Also, Wanderer's Palace is much easier, gear-wise, than AK.

Usually I'll do the first boss of AK with every group. I'll check the parses after the first boss. If the 2nd DPS isn't within 8% of me, I'll drop. There isn't any way we'll get past the Demon Wall like that.
#7 Sep 09 2013 at 6:14 AM Rating: Good
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afa03147 wrote:
Guys,

I just got 50 and I have full af so my gear is pretty much decent. However, some people are annoying. After 1st wipe they leave or when they check your gear. I just got 50 how do you want me to have good gear and I cannot even find members to finish the dungeon ? I understand that having good gear is indeed helpful, but its hard for a dps to find a queue because it takes at least 35-60 min. This really gets on my nerves.


Full af is not decent.

No offense, but it's not enough for that dungeon. Do Wanderer's or the last 2 story dungeons until you can buy some darklight and get a Grand Company Weapon.
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#8 Sep 09 2013 at 6:18 AM Rating: Good
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Its also worth mentioning that if you have a War in your group as tank, you may be able to get away with 1 low geared dps. Quite often ill run this and be 2nd highest dps on Demon wall as Warrior, by not using Defiance and making use of my offensive cooldowns.

Edited, Sep 9th 2013 8:19am by Warby
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#9 Sep 09 2013 at 6:25 AM Rating: Excellent
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As a PLD tank I got the HQ Aeolian Scimitar and run it fine all the time, but yes you need to get the Ifrit weapon or at least GC weapon, armor isn't too important. You never mentioned your weapon, that's the most important thing.

I usually judge DPS by whether on the first boss you can kill the Priest before the first golem spawn, if so you can probably bring down the wall to < 50% in two repels, and as long as you're properly positioned fighting the bees and there is a LB ready to go you should be fine. Unfortunately if you are the melee DPS in the party, you will need some good armor to tank the add in the last boss, so sometimes I do see melee DPS having trouble here in AF gear.
#10 Sep 09 2013 at 6:48 AM Rating: Good
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Ok I just reached level 50 and completed the first lvl50 story fight last night.. I got the 100 tomes. Where do i turn these in at to get the better gear? I just reached endgame so im kinda clueless.. Any info or advice would be apreciated :)
#11 Sep 09 2013 at 6:54 AM Rating: Good
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You turn them in at a group of npcs at revenents toll in mordhona. Also you need a minimum of around 400-ish i think for a piece of gear.
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#12 Sep 09 2013 at 6:57 AM Rating: Good
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Next to Rowena, 375 avg a piece or so... start grinding Wanderers/Castrum - beat Ifrit and grind your Ifrit weapon or GC weapon, then try AK - be very polite and say it's your first time, hopefully someone will show you the ropes. Just so you're not surprised, we speed run to the boss room, tank aggros everything and dies before each boss. Good runs for a pub is 30 mins, premades can do it in 15 or under.
#13 Sep 09 2013 at 7:40 AM Rating: Excellent
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I couldn't get my GC weapon before AK, because AK was the dungeon I had to clear to get 2nd lieutenant.
#14 Sep 09 2013 at 7:43 AM Rating: Good
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Oh is that the case? I never went the GC route, well regardless it's still doable if you're carried etc or just have a really good group. Wanders drops some ok green weapons too.
#15 Sep 09 2013 at 8:02 AM Rating: Good
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This is good advice. My group has never really had trouble until the bees spawn at the demon wall. As thm, I am finding it difficult to get enough time in between the purple floor and the aoe and the small 5 foot by 5 foot space I have to work in to get off any spells other than Fire 1 or Blizzard 1 (I guess Scathe would work too). Perhaps I do need a gear check, the priest dies just after (2-3 seconds) after the 1st golem spawn. But trying to get one of my limit breaks off on those bees would be nearly impossible. Any tips for a thm on that demon wall?
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#16 Sep 09 2013 at 8:09 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm so spoiled as a tank. I always queue with a SMN friend who has his relic and we kill the demon wall right as the adds spawn. You can dps with AF just fine and win but you have to really know your class... and not be a class that requires hitting the back or side of the boss. So MNK and DRG are boned.
#17 Sep 09 2013 at 8:19 AM Rating: Decent
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shykin wrote:
I'm so spoiled as a tank. I always queue with a SMN friend who has his relic and we kill the demon wall right as the adds spawn. You can dps with AF just fine and win but you have to really know your class... and not be a class that requires hitting the back or side of the boss. So MNK and DRG are boned.


You do know you have to beat AK to get your relic right?
#18 Sep 09 2013 at 8:28 AM Rating: Decent
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Yeah I know, I'm not sure how thats relevant though. It's not like he couldn't have done it without me and beat the primals without me.
#19 Sep 09 2013 at 8:31 AM Rating: Decent
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shykin wrote:
Yeah I know, I'm not sure how thats relevant though. It's not like he couldn't have done it without me and beat the primals without me.


It just seemed that you think that him having the relic is the reason you and he can beat it. But he had to have beat it before without his relic.
#20 Sep 09 2013 at 8:33 AM Rating: Decent
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nonameoflevi wrote:
shykin wrote:
Yeah I know, I'm not sure how thats relevant though. It's not like he couldn't have done it without me and beat the primals without me.


It just seemed that you think that him having the relic is the reason you and he can beat it. But he had to have beat it before without his relic.


Nah, before the relic I had to tank the adds for a little while but the LB finished it off before long. The relic was just an explanation for why we can typically kill it before the adds spawn in case someone didn't believe it.
#21 Sep 09 2013 at 8:40 AM Rating: Good
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shykin wrote:
nonameoflevi wrote:
shykin wrote:
Yeah I know, I'm not sure how thats relevant though. It's not like he couldn't have done it without me and beat the primals without me.


It just seemed that you think that him having the relic is the reason you and he can beat it. But he had to have beat it before without his relic.


Nah, before the relic I had to tank the adds for a little while but the LB finished it off before long. The relic was just an explanation for why we can typically kill it before the adds spawn in case someone didn't believe it.


So the first DD was a summoner, who was the 2nd?
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#22 Sep 09 2013 at 8:46 AM Rating: Decent
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Valkayree wrote:
shykin wrote:
nonameoflevi wrote:
shykin wrote:
Yeah I know, I'm not sure how thats relevant though. It's not like he couldn't have done it without me and beat the primals without me.


It just seemed that you think that him having the relic is the reason you and he can beat it. But he had to have beat it before without his relic.


Nah, before the relic I had to tank the adds for a little while but the LB finished it off before long. The relic was just an explanation for why we can typically kill it before the adds spawn in case someone didn't believe it.


So the first DD was a summoner, who was the 2nd?


Usually someone from the ls but sometimes a random. I've had a BRD, MNK and DRG be our other dps. On rare occasions another SMN but strangely enough almost never a BLM. BRD was the fastest because of the lack of a positional requirement and foe requiem. The MNK was just behind but he got faster from relic so I'm not sure now. DRG was so-so but I think thats just due to rotation issues on our DRGs.

Oh and not to belittle the SMN and MNK by saying their DPS is only because of relic. They were great dps even before the relic. I add in my DPS by using Sword Oath until the adds spawn so that helps too.
#23 Sep 09 2013 at 9:03 AM Rating: Good
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shykin wrote:
Valkayree wrote:
shykin wrote:
nonameoflevi wrote:
shykin wrote:
Yeah I know, I'm not sure how thats relevant though. It's not like he couldn't have done it without me and beat the primals without me.


It just seemed that you think that him having the relic is the reason you and he can beat it. But he had to have beat it before without his relic.


Nah, before the relic I had to tank the adds for a little while but the LB finished it off before long. The relic was just an explanation for why we can typically kill it before the adds spawn in case someone didn't believe it.


So the first DD was a summoner, who was the 2nd?


Usually someone from the ls but sometimes a random. I've had a BRD, MNK and DRG be our other dps. On rare occasions another SMN but strangely enough almost never a BLM. BRD was the fastest because of the lack of a positional requirement and foe requiem. The MNK was just behind but he got faster from relic so I'm not sure now. DRG was so-so but I think thats just due to rotation issues on our DRGs.

Oh and not to belittle the SMN and MNK by saying their DPS is only because of relic. They were great dps even before the relic. I add in my DPS by using Sword Oath until the adds spawn so that helps too.


I'm sure they were good players, I was just interested to see if other blm were having the same problems casting on that boss. It really feels like I could zerg the boss and skip the adds though, it seems like the adds are there to waste my time while that floor closes in. I dont know who the wiseguy in development was that decided the battle was too easy and in turn made a motion to cover the back half of the area with purple goo.

Edited, Sep 9th 2013 10:04am by Valkayree
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#24 Sep 09 2013 at 9:07 AM Rating: Good
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Ok so yes it's possible to kill the wall and ignore the adds, "IF you have enough DPS" - but it's far easier to LB.

I don't know about BLM LB there, the problem I assume is the cast time? Not a DD so I can't help you there, but I usually move early to the right position.
Basically it's left, then as soon as the middle is safe, move middle and then when the left is safe, IMMEDIATELY move left again - right here at this moment you are left and there is an enough delay before the middle poison starts, ends and the left poison to cast a LB.

Edited, Sep 9th 2013 11:19am by SyniteonReflux
#25 Sep 09 2013 at 9:17 AM Rating: Good
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SyniteonReflux wrote:
Ok so yes it's possible to kill the wall and ignore the adds, "IF you have enough DPS" - but it's far easier to LB.

I don't know about BLM LB there, the problem I assume is the cast time? Not a DD so I can't help you there, but I usually move early to the right position.


BLM lb takes 5-7 seconds at least so the only time I could do it would be in that window where is goes Middle, Sides, Middle, Sides, wait (use lb here), then push back.

I anticipate as well, I can get off usually 2 fire 1s that way before the switch. But the whole layout and fast purple floor switching really minimizes my damage potential as blm.

Edited, Sep 9th 2013 10:20am by Valkayree
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#26 Sep 09 2013 at 9:20 AM Rating: Good
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Sorry I edited it:

Basically it's left, then as soon as the middle is safe, move middle and then when the left is safe, IMMEDIATELY move left again - right here at this moment you are left and there is an enough delay before the middle poison starts, ends and the left poison to cast a LB.

I wouldn't wait for the cycle to end, too risky to get caught in the push back

Edited, Sep 9th 2013 11:20am by SyniteonReflux
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