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#1 Sep 09 2013 at 12:56 PM Rating: Good
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I was doing Brayflox's Longstop last night, and during the boss fight I used Mage's Ballad when the WHM was at less than 50% MP. After our second wipe he said "btw the Mage's Ballad is killing me because [....] AoE stacks and so it is hurting both us". I can't remember the exact words, hence the [...]. For anyone unfamiliar with the boss fight, it chucks an aoe poison glob at random party members.

Was the WHM talking about the poison "stacking" on both of us, making him have to use an extra Esuna on both of us since I have to be close to him for the Mage's Ballad to work?

Or was he referring to some other reason, or game mechanic, that you know of that I shouldn't be using Mage's Ballad?
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#2 Sep 11 2013 at 12:15 PM Rating: Good
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I've not much experience with Bard yet (or cnj/whm for that matter), but esuna should only remove detrimental effects (according to the description anyway.) Was your positioning relatively close? I know that fight a a little (joined a pt in progress but ran out of time.) Poison gets dealt so much I now know to bring antidotes when I do the full run.
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#3 Sep 11 2013 at 11:27 PM Rating: Decent
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you don't have to stand on top of them. you just have to be within 20 yards.

think...how far can I be away from enemies and subtract 1/5 of that distance. basically as long as you are in the same area code, they are getting mana.
#4 Sep 12 2013 at 1:39 AM Rating: Good
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Yeah I think the WHM was upset over how close I was to him, and that my Mage's Ballad pulled enough aggro for the boss to aim its poison directly at us. Combine this with the fact that poison stacks every time any one of us got hit with it. That is, since both of us were getting hit due to my closer than necessary proximity, the higher the poison's effect became for all of us.

I just wanted to make sure there was not something crazy like a shared MP pool or regen of which I was unaware, as with Limit Breaks. In fact, I even had to research on ARC/BRD's LB to find if I was expected to use it on the bosses to do damage, as if there were some way to not do the AoE Heal. To my relief, the WHM's constant request for "Use LB" was actually aimed at the BLM. :D

Edited, Sep 12th 2013 12:40am by fatpolomanjr
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#5 Sep 15 2013 at 1:16 PM Rating: Good
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Ballad shouldn't pull hate, even if it does/did it can't be as much as an actual attack on the boss/mob and with Aiatar the globs are at random. Also songs decrease your dmg. That poison sucks, can't antidote it so you need Esuna. I didn't check if esuna only removes 1 layer of the poison (if you have multiple layers on you/someone in the party.) Recently got the win here thanks to a great df pt. WHM healer/WAR tank had done the dungeon multiple times. I was on BRD and the other dd was MNK. They had a great strategy and despite having to do it 3 times (poison hiccups) we got the win, along with some loot. :P
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#6 Sep 23 2013 at 11:06 PM Rating: Decent
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I've done this fight several times now trying to get the darned pants for my buddy's monk. He brings his warrior to tank and his brother comes as a black mage to sleep our groups, me as bard. The trick with the boss is to have everyone stand apart and far away from the dragon. That way the tank can dance around all he needs to and won't point the dragon breath move towards the others. And the toxin spit is either random or goes to the person who is #2 in hate...i'm not convinced on either one, because usually it seems like he's locked on to someone multiple spits, but i used quelling strikes to get to #3 on hate list and still got spat at three times in a row.

To the OP your WHM was just talking rubbish, ballad doesn't pull enough hate to make him turn like that. In theory at least, he probably spat at you because you were highest on the list after the tank. :O

(You can tell by having the enemy targetted and looking at names in the party list- you will see a #1, 2, 3, or 4, or the letter A. A is who he's currently attacking, 1 means you're about 1 attack away from being A or he is currently randomly targetting or targeting someone not in the party, and 2/3/4 is everyone else in that order. And they have a lil bar to show you how close you are to the next # up.) Just have the tank move the dragon around so he steps off of the pools of toxin as they also heal him in conjunction with hurting you. Make sure as your party members get spit at they try to stay on the far side from wherever the tank+dragon are, using up all the free space they can on the ground over there. That way the dragon is less likely to walk in that stuff. D:
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#7 Oct 01 2013 at 10:55 AM Rating: Decent
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FenrirXIII wrote:
To the OP your WHM was just talking rubbish, ballad doesn't pull enough hate to make him turn like that. In theory at least, he probably spat at you because you were highest on the list after the tank. :O


It. Is. Random.

RSTS: Random Secondary Targeting System. Blizzard started to use the idea first and other games caught on.

The dragon's poison clouds, Qarn's golem boss after first "break" of his core he goes entirely RSTS from there on out and the scepters on the final boss are pure RSTS, Chimera's orb attacks are RSTS, etc. They're all over the place and have absolutely nothing to do with hate.
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