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#1 Sep 12 2013 at 5:58 AM Rating: Good
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First off, let me state that I am aware that a Job is required for party play and a class is used for solo.I use SCH for any kind of dungeon runs or primal fights, and if I am soloing or doing quest i change to ARN. So here's the situation....

I finally got my SCH to 40 (hurray me) and decided to seek a FATE party in Northern Than. I shouted and got an invite almost instantly. I ran FATE's for a whole day and learning the routine FATE's and what to do and not do to on each one. The next day I go back and join up again with another FATE party, after some FATE's i decide to change to ARN and use my TOPAZ carby as the routine FATE's in North Than do not require a healer to be on point to keep the party members alive.
Now, I am fully aware that the Chimera (spelling?) FATE does in fact require me to be on point as a healer, so, when that FATE pops, i change back to SCH and do nothing but have Eos spamming her cure/buff abilities while I cure members and raise those who fall ASAP to get them back in the fight. After the fight I change back to ARN. At this point, the party leader and a few other members decide to cap-lock inform me that if I wish to use a class then i should do so solo and keep to my job when in a party. Shortly after their educational lesson I am kicked from the party.

Was I wrong in using my class in a FATE party?
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#2 Sep 12 2013 at 6:00 AM Rating: Excellent
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I don't see why you would, but maybe they overreacted.

To be honest though, why don't you unlock SMN for when you don't want to heal?

Edited, Sep 12th 2013 8:03am by LucasNox
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#3 Sep 12 2013 at 6:03 AM Rating: Good
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I was actually getting more exp as my ACN and it's gives me something to do rather then just spam Ruin II and Bio. Using those 2 spells is the only way I can get some sort of decent exp as my SCH in FATEs. The party members kill stuff really quickly. When using topaz carby, his AOE attack was netting me more exp then SCH.
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#4 Sep 12 2013 at 6:04 AM Rating: Excellent
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It's a FATE... At level 40 even... party setup is completely irrelevant for those, people just party up for quicker rewards. There has to be 60-70 people hitting everything there in Mor Dhona. Just have fun in it i'd say...

People should stop getting their panties in a bunch over something so trivial, regardless of if it was Chimera or just a random Fate...
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#5 Sep 12 2013 at 6:09 AM Rating: Good
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LucasNox wrote:

To be honest though, why don't you unlock SMN for when you don't want to heal?
Edited, Sep 12th 2013 8:03am by LucasNox


I don't mind healing, i still do it as my ACN, i just get more from it when using TOPAZ. Also, i don't have THA leveled. Granted i could go and lvl it to 15 and get SMN but why can't i just use carby? is there that much of a difference between SMN and ACN in the way of a FATE party??
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You might as well level THM even if you play SCH as it will get you Swiftcast and some other stuff, and then you could unlock SMN as well for those times when you feel that a healer isn't needed.

It will do more DPS than ACN and your parties won't complain.

Edited, Sep 12th 2013 8:15am by LucasNox
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I never join fate parties and attack their tapped mobs and get gold everytime i show up before its half finished, don't understand why people form parties other than to be social.
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First off, let me state that I am aware that a Job is required for party play and a class is used for solo.I use SCH for any kind of dungeon runs or primal fights, and if I am soloing or doing quest i change to ARN. So here's the situation....

I finally got my SCH to 40 (hurray me) and decided to seek a FATE party in Northern Than. I shouted and got an invite almost instantly. I ran FATE's for a whole day and learning the routine FATE's and what to do and not do to on each one. The next day I go back and join up again with another FATE party, after some FATE's i decide to change to ARN and use my TOPAZ carby as the routine FATE's in North Than do not require a healer to be on point to keep the party members alive.
Now, I am fully aware that the Chimera (spelling?) FATE does in fact require me to be on point as a healer, so, when that FATE pops, i change back to SCH and do nothing but have Eos spamming her cure/buff abilities while I cure members and raise those who fall ASAP to get them back in the fight. After the fight I change back to ARN. At this point, the party leader and a few other members decide to cap-lock inform me that if I wish to use a class then i should do so solo and keep to my job when in a party. Shortly after their educational lesson I am kicked from the party.

Was I wrong in using my class in a FATE party?


I use jobs for everything. There's hardly a reason to use a class after that. ****, sch can still deal a lot of dmg! I would say you were wrong for using your class in a party, but the party could have told you better.

But no, never go as acn. Acn is for sub-30, and you should almost always be on a Job.

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is there that much of a difference between SMN and ACN in the way of a FATE party??


Oh god yes there is. Much lower dmg. By a ton. All the job abilities for smn are amazing for dmg.

Edited, Sep 12th 2013 8:41am by Louiscool
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Sounds like a bunch of idiots to me. Its easy to cap gold on any ARC JOB. Bio spam all taggged mobs = profit. Even if I show up late and do this I got gold. LOL@FATE parties. The only benefit I see is you get a lil bonus exp for the mobs that get tagged first from aoe spam.

Edited, Sep 12th 2013 8:43am by nonameoflevi
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nonameoflevi wrote:
Sounds like a bunch of idiots to me. [/sm][/i]


Exactly this. Some raging kids,or frustrated people let it out in a game. If this happens in a FATE Party... you just had bad luck with members. Hopefully the incoming PAYMENT time will clear some of em out.
#11 Sep 12 2013 at 7:11 AM Rating: Good
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You did absolutely nothing wrong.

First, it is not mandatory for you to use Jobs (although most of the time it is recommended). Off the top of my head, a typical example of when i would rather use class rather than job is with mrd. I could use some nice dps buffs and skills if i am on mrd instead of warrior; and in your case as a sch, obviously i would change to acn if i want my pet to tank smth. also, in a FATE party, it just does not matter.... the people who screamed at you were just rude. i man, if they expected u to heal, and you let one of them die, then it was probably your fault, but it is not like acn cannot heal with physick or smth :/
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#12 Sep 12 2013 at 7:42 AM Rating: Good
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RyanSquires wrote:
First off, let me state that I am aware that a Job is required for party play and a class is used for solo.I use SCH for any kind of dungeon runs or primal fights, and if I am soloing or doing quest i change to ARN. So here's the situation....

I finally got my SCH to 40 (hurray me) and decided to seek a FATE party in Northern Than. I shouted and got an invite almost instantly. I ran FATE's for a whole day and learning the routine FATE's and what to do and not do to on each one. The next day I go back and join up again with another FATE party, after some FATE's i decide to change to ARN and use my TOPAZ carby as the routine FATE's in North Than do not require a healer to be on point to keep the party members alive.
Now, I am fully aware that the Chimera (spelling?) FATE does in fact require me to be on point as a healer, so, when that FATE pops, i change back to SCH and do nothing but have Eos spamming her cure/buff abilities while I cure members and raise those who fall ASAP to get them back in the fight. After the fight I change back to ARN. At this point, the party leader and a few other members decide to cap-lock inform me that if I wish to use a class then i should do so solo and keep to my job when in a party. Shortly after their educational lesson I am kicked from the party.

Was I wrong in using my class in a FATE party?


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#13 Sep 12 2013 at 7:45 AM Rating: Excellent
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Valkayree wrote:
Elitists...
No. Idiots.

Edited, Sep 12th 2013 9:45am by lolgaxe
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#14 Sep 12 2013 at 7:47 AM Rating: Excellent
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lolgaxe wrote:
Valkayree wrote:
Elitists...
No. Idiots.

Edited, Sep 12th 2013 9:45am by lolgaxe


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#15 Sep 12 2013 at 7:52 AM Rating: Decent
Ok this might be a slight derail, but I just hit 30 and thinking about getting my first job. This is first I ever heard of job = party, class = solo.

Who decided this and why?

Are there some advantages to only soloing as a class or only partying as a job?

#16 Sep 12 2013 at 8:18 AM Rating: Good
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As class, you have more options, but you are less focused, and lose out on your most powerful abilities.

In the case of Brd, Whm, and Sch, class can be more effective in fates, and just plain mass attacking. You gain access to more cross class skills, and can choose more damage options (Brd is still high dd capable, so not as big a benefit as whm or sch).

But, yeah, people who care about roles when roles are not necessary ( spam kill fates for example) are just trying to prove that they are better. Especially in fates where you are graded on *YOUR* personal performance.

People need to relax and just play the game... And to think people were worried that this game catered too much to the casual players... Elitist idiots are proving they still have things to say "They know are better"... (Please note, I really have nothing against elitists... it's the idiots at any end of the spectrum...)
#17 Sep 12 2013 at 11:22 AM Rating: Good
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The whole class/solo, job/party thing i wouldn't say it a 'official' rule but it does, in my opinion, to naturally work that way. My SCH is extremely good at group healing once i got Eos's lvl 40 ability. And my ARN is better at soloin' due to topaz carby.

In response to a earlier comment also, if i would have stayed ARN during the Chimera fight, i could see the groups reasoning for being ******* but i knew that FATE required me to be on point as a healer so I changed to SCH for group healing. No one died from any other FATEs we ran while in the area.
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I change my previous statement.

I just had a Titan party where a Warrior came as MRD to deal dmg, and their dmg was amazing because of the cross class skill. Cross class DOTs and buffs.



Edited, Sep 12th 2013 1:41pm by Louiscool
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It is important to note that you gain more than just abilities from using ajob, you gain a stat bonus too. So by going ACN vs smn/sch you are hurting your dmg/max healing potential.

Cross class has its use though, and personally i prefer everyone in fate to use a class over a job, then everyone has raise.

Fates take very little to actually get gold and if you cross class a few ae skills thats all you really need.
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Zerging and Min/Maxing are like total opposites. Seems like kind of a silly request you should be able to play however you want it isn't like there are mechanics that require or limit you.
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I can think of some reasons why I would go Thm instead of BLM. The class skills from blm arent really that essential, and provided I had leveled my secondary class a bit higher, I would expect that I could get some nice buffs from a cross class skill. Provided I could still wear all of my blm gear, and the int boost from being on the blm job isn't really that much of a difference, it seems like a reasonable possibility.

Edited, Sep 12th 2013 3:53pm by Valkayree
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nonameoflevi wrote:
Sounds like a bunch of idiots to me. Its easy to cap gold on any ARC JOB. Bio spam all taggged mobs = profit. Even if I show up late and do this I got gold. LOL@FATE parties. The only benefit I see is you get a lil bonus exp for the mobs that get tagged first from aoe spam.

Edited, Sep 12th 2013 8:43am by nonameoflevi


Yup. Do this. I do this all the time and I cap out on EXP and Gold. Rather simple really, requires little effort and I just sit and let the mob die. It's the quickest way I've seen to actually power level or get money if you need it. I never join FATE parties unless I am putting one together with my LS (very rare) I'd rather just do a dungeon run and get the gear to sell off.
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#23 Sep 12 2013 at 8:26 PM Rating: Decent
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lolgaxe wrote:
Valkayree wrote:
Elitists...
No. Idiots.

Edited, Sep 12th 2013 9:45am by lolgaxe
Same difference.
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