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#27 Sep 16 2013 at 10:59 AM Rating: Decent
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Just to add in a tidbit. This weekend when I DID have a good tank and I went back in the DF I got matched up with the same tank 3 times in a row and another tank 2 times in a row. Thats just how small the pool is I'm guessing. Also, I have started to do runs with a Pally friend from my FC. After we both get our relics, I'm switching to Pally and he is doing whatever class.
#28 Sep 16 2013 at 11:04 AM Rating: Decent
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No offense, but I wouldn't want your DRG in my party. If you think it's easier to play a DD, you're doing it wrong.


The area that separates good and bad for tanks or healers has less room for play than it does for DD. I wouldn't necessarily say it's easier to play, but it's definitely harder to be bad at than tank or healer. While it isn't anything nerve wracking, it does require more attention to details like positioning and being more aware of your group than just yourself as DD tends to be.
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#29 Sep 16 2013 at 11:05 AM Rating: Good
I did Stone Vigil last night with the DF, and funny thing was the other 3 members were from the same LS on another server. Tank, Healer and Blackmage. They said they had tried the run a few times but kept failing cause the DD kept targeting the wrong enemies and not avoiding any of the aoe spells from the final boss. After running with them, and only dying once to a d/c, it amazed me how a DD can have just as bad of an impact as the tank and healer.

Is DD easier overall, yes, but if you're a tool, things can go downhill in a hurry regardless of what the tank and healer are doing. I've said it before, I'll say it again, ANY party that attempts to communicate from the get go is usually **** good. Any party that stays silent the entire time, even after you've said something is one to be weary of. Or one with a lancer named Donkey Face...should of known by his name alone things weren't going to go well.
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Tanks and healers get instant queues while I sit and wait for 55min. Sigh..


The only time that I ever observe instant queues as a healer is with Titan Hard Mode. All the rest of the Duty Finder usually takes anywhere from 10-20 minutes while registered with the L.50 runs. But I do see the frustrations with the DD crowd as which that's what I usually run in other games.
#31 Sep 16 2013 at 11:06 AM Rating: Decent
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Just to add in a tidbit. This weekend when I DID have a good tank and I went back in the DF I got matched up with the same tank 3 times in a row and another tank 2 times in a row. Thats just how small the pool is I'm guessing. Also, I have started to do runs with a Pally friend from my FC. After we both get our relics, I'm switching to Pally and he is doing whatever class.


When I was doing my Garuda story fight this weekend, I got the same tank and second dps three times. Only the healer changed as the previous ones couldn't keep up with the incoming damage (and yes, we were doing the fight properly).
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#32 Sep 16 2013 at 12:49 PM Rating: Decent
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Oh the DF is still there?
Or even better there are tanks?
It felt like there isn't one the last 3 days for me.
I always gave up after 2hrs+ with my WHM (now lvl 35)....

I think they really need to improve the situation.
Either on the server side or from the player side (make tanking more appealing to people for example)


Waited 2 + hrs on DF as a whm? Seriously???? My lvl 50 SCH never waited more then 30mins for any DF, majority of them were accepted within 10 mins max. Longest DF i had to wait for was the first 8 man fight against a judge in the main story line.
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#33 Sep 16 2013 at 1:11 PM Rating: Good
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I have to admit, I'm looking forward to Subscriptions going live just to clear out some of the nonsense.
#34 Sep 16 2013 at 1:24 PM Rating: Decent
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Auftragskiller wrote:
Oh the DF is still there?
Or even better there are tanks?
It felt like there isn't one the last 3 days for me.
I always gave up after 2hrs+ with my WHM (now lvl 35)....

I think they really need to improve the situation.
Either on the server side or from the player side (make tanking more appealing to people for example)


Waited 2 + hrs on DF as a whm? Seriously???? My lvl 50 SCH never waited more then 30mins for any DF, majority of them were accepted within 10 mins max. Longest DF i had to wait for was the first 8 man fight against a judge in the main story line.


Most people at that level are just grinding out FATEs. That's probably the reason why it's hard to find groups through DF. There are many more people at cap than there are in the lower and mid levels and most of those people don't bother with dungeons because it's kinda a waste of time.
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#35 Sep 16 2013 at 1:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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Most people at that level are just grinding out FATEs. That's probably the reason why it's hard to find groups through DF. There are many more people at cap than there are in the lower and mid levels and most of those people don't bother with dungeons because it's kinda a waste of time.


Unless, like me, you hate grinding FATEs and will seek almost any alternative to it. Dungeons work well for that, but I recognize that MMO players will typically pick the most efficient path and FATEs are definitely more efficient.
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With a rested bonus, I'd say some dungeons are on par with fates on an exp/hour basis, because you do get credit for all the trash mob kills.
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#37 Sep 16 2013 at 2:49 PM Rating: Decent
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Is it just me are does grinding fates seem stupid? Like what did you buy the game for? Obviously not the content. Then they get to 50 and are like "Omgz this game is the suxors! NO game content, will be F2P in a week, and then servers will shutdown!!11!!!1!111!11" or "Well just another crap MMO WoW rip off where i get to endgame and have to grind dungeons" Like WTF are playing this game for then, go play hello kitty island or something ffs. Or, I dunno, maybe try actually playing the game as a whole and having some fun with it.

I am by no means a "hardcore" MMO player, nor am I a SE fanboi, I did not play FF11 although I have played a majority of the other FF games. I did play WoW for 7 years, GW 1 and 2, and Rift. I have 2 kids and a full time job, I get about 2 hours to play in the afternoon while the kids take a nap, and then after about 9pm I play till I start to fall asleep, usually sometime around 2am. That being said, I am only lvl 34 on my BLM and I am loving this game, the quests, fates, dungeons, hunting log, leves, its all fun to me and I never feel like I don't have something to do. I mean sure, I can't wait to get to endgame, but I also can't wait to start leveling some other jobs. IMO if your bored in this game that's your own **** fault. I honestly feel like I havent had this much fun in an MMO since Vanilla WoW/Burning Crusade.

And as far as the duty finder, either make a tank/healer (I played a death knight tank in Wrath for this particular reason), or find one on your server and make them your best friends. One of my close friends is a tank, and I have literally had zero bad experiences in the duty finder, minus the random elitists that show up every now and again and try to tell everyone what to do and tell everyone they are stupid and will fail at endgame, which i just tend to brush those aholes off.

Sorry for the tangent, but it gets annoying listening to people bash this game when really its still in its infancy.


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This right here, I honestly hope this game stays sub based just to weed out the morons.
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#38 Sep 16 2013 at 2:55 PM Rating: Decent
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Haven't had this happen but did have a crazy run where the DF was trolling US. DF kept slapping me and another dps and a tank, usually the same people, in the dungeon but no healer XD. We end up giving up and leaving, and DF minutes later, tosses us back together for the same situation. Eventually we got a healer and completed the dungeon. That said, you can kind of tell if its a slow day through DF if it does that.

My only worry is fake DCing tanks and healers. So you kind of just wonder, when people drop at boss entrance or some other "point of importance".

Edited, Sep 16th 2013 4:55pm by TwilightSkye

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#39 Sep 16 2013 at 2:59 PM Rating: Good
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I have to admit, I'm looking forward to Subscriptions going live just to clear out some of the nonsense.

Many jerks & trolls have money too. Some of the players you'd like to keep around could also bail on the game.
#40 Sep 16 2013 at 3:15 PM Rating: Default
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I'm a tank and spent all day Sunday spamming Brayfox. I usually have a zero wait, although often the DF will time out waiting in a DD (which I kind of understand if the wait times are as long as people are saying).

I agree that people picking and choosing is a pain. I'd like to add that I just take what I'm given and haven't dropped out once.

On the tank vs dd thing, I guess it depends on the situation/dungeon but certainly in the tougher ones everyone has to pull their weight.

I also agree with the silent party comment. If nobody is responding to chat, its usually a bad sign.

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#41 Sep 16 2013 at 4:01 PM Rating: Decent
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I got to admit, I ditched a run right into it as tank. I finally unlocked Qarn, and when I did DF I had Brayflox still checked and just couldn't make that kind of run. So I bailed, felt bad but just didn't want to run Brayflox again.
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#42 Sep 16 2013 at 4:17 PM Rating: Decent
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I got to admit, I ditched a run right into it as tank. I finally unlocked Qarn, and when I did DF I had Brayflox still checked and just couldn't make that kind of run. So I bailed, felt bad but just didn't want to run Brayflox again.


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#43 Sep 16 2013 at 4:45 PM Rating: Decent
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I met the worst tank diva I've ever encountered last night, and I thought I'd seen it all.

This one was under the impression that as a healer, I should be able to use an exploit where if you use an AoE cure while the person is raised, it should cure Weakness.

Now, I've never heard of this before, but there is a more plain reason why you would do this. After someone is raised, you can't target them with a spell for a good 5 seconds or so. If you try, the spell just targets the caster instead. However, AoE spells still hit the raised person immediately, so it makes sense in the midst of a boss battle to use an AoE cure right away so they don't die by the first AoE blast that comes along while they have only a few hundred HP.

So I think this tank knew enough that using an AoE cure after a Raise was a good idea, but had the wrong idea that it was because it cured Weakness. He was so disappointed I couldn't get this "miraculous exploit" to work that he dropped the party right then and there mid-fight. Smiley: oyvey

Fortunately, I was there with my friend who is an awesome summoner and skillfully took over the tanking. Smiley: nod

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#44 Sep 17 2013 at 7:11 AM Rating: Default
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I got to admit, I ditched a run right into it as tank. I finally unlocked Qarn, and when I did DF I had Brayflox still checked and just couldn't make that kind of run. So I bailed, felt bad but just didn't want to run Brayflox again.


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I played FFXI since 2003 (Shout out to Carbuncle server - yay!) and was a superb PLD up to lvl 61 when I transfered to DRG (and subsequently got to lvl 82 with that).

One of the WHMs in my parties told me I was the best PLD she ever played with. When she did Benediction, I managed to maintain the hate and save her from dying.

However, in FFXIV, being a tank scares me to death. Being a PLD in FFXI, you stood around while someone would pull the mob to you, which, in turn you would provoke and tank. One at a time, usually. Piece of cake. This game involves several mobs headed to you at once. I tend to stand like a deer in the headlights upon that approach.

I would love to be a PLD in this game, but I think I'll stay with my MNK.
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I played FFXI since 2003 (Shout out to Carbuncle server - yay!) and was a superb PLD up to lvl 61 when I transfered to DRG (and subsequently got to lvl 82 with that).

One of the WHMs in my parties told me I was the best PLD she ever played with. When she did Benediction, I managed to maintain the hate and save her from dying.

However, in FFXIV, being a tank scares me to death. Being a PLD in FFXI, you stood around while someone would pull the mob to you, which, in turn you would provoke and tank. One at a time, usually. Piece of cake. This game involves several mobs headed to you at once. I tend to stand like a deer in the headlights upon that approach.

I would love to be a PLD in this game, but I think I'll stay with my MNK.


I completely understand what you mean. Tanking in this game is more like WoW and if you have not played that style of tanking it can be daunting. I also have hear tanks tell me, I'm waiting on the pull to get my mana back up. Then I got on my tank and saw that a skill UNDER level 15 GIVES you mana. Its a new game. I had to explain to my TANK last night during an AK run of all things how the threat meter works. Mind you he had been doing a good job since then but now he has the knowledge of the ingame tool to do even better. I try and teach when I can.
#47 Sep 17 2013 at 8:00 AM Rating: Decent
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What makes you think this is trolling? Sounds like connection issues.

Want to know how to tell the difference?

If someone disconnects, their character is left in the party for a few minutes until the finder boots them. If they leave the party, that hole is left there immediately and you are prompted by the Finder (if you are party lead) to accept requests to fill that position.

I had EXACTLY this issue this weekend. It was a Pld and they dumped a party I was in twice.
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Sorry that was probably me, here's why:

I'm a 50 PLD, and I can admit to spamming the DF, I'm actually looking for "In Progress" parties, because back in Brayflox a lot of bad tanks couldn't handle the last boss and I found that a quick way to exp and get gear, plus you'd help a stuck party finish the dungeon.

The same thing with Amadpor Keep, I look for people stuck at the wall too, sometimes I don't have time for a full dungeon run anyways, so I'm just hitting find every now and then hoping for a In Progress instance. Sorry it drives some of you nuts, but people queueing for in progress parties also helps those who happen to be stuck.

I guess I could just join a brand new dungeon run if there are none in progress, but I guess we're a bit spoiled since we can get whatever we want as tanks. I can pretty much go a whole day getting in progress dungeons and get my tombstones much faster, sorry guys!



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#49 Sep 17 2013 at 2:32 PM Rating: Decent
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I personally had one time where I was clicking around and didn't even see the duty finder pop up (i'm not even sure it ever did pop up). Luckily the group was formed w/out using duty finder and we just re-queued. I could see how this might cause issues though if i'm busy clicking around my screen and cover the duty finder pop up with something else.

I think people choose not to tank or heal not because they want to ePeen the DPS charts but because it has the least amount of responsibility. If a group dies in a battle it is most likely the tank or healers fault, very rarely is the DD blamed for a ****** party. 70% of the time its a ****** tank, 30% of the time is a ****** healer.
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I personally had one time where I was clicking around and didn't even see the duty finder pop up (i'm not even sure it ever did pop up). Luckily the group was formed w/out using duty finder and we just re-queued. I could see how this might cause issues though if i'm busy clicking around my screen and cover the duty finder pop up with something else.

I think people choose not to tank or heal not because they want to ePeen the DPS charts but because it has the least amount of responsibility. If a group dies in a battle it is most likely the tank or healers fault, very rarely is the DD blamed for a sh*tty party. 70% of the time its a sh*tty tank, 30% of the time is a sh*tty healer.


At this point its a three way split. IF tank doens't hold hate bosses kill everyone. IF the healer doesn't heal the tank and everyone well the boss kills everyone. IF the DD doesn't kill adds fast enough THEY kill everyone.
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