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#1 Sep 19 2013 at 11:34 AM Rating: Default
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Was a page taken out of Sunken Temple's book for how the mechanics of this dungeon go? I mean I went with about 3 Pug groups and 2/3 wiped on the first boss. 2 of the 3 were JP and the English group I went with got to the final boss, but the BLM we had didn't know how to use Limit Break. How do people get to Level 50 and don't know what Limit Break is, that's my question. But anyways, does anyone have any real strategy for the final boss? It's not the Burrs I'm worried about it's the insane amount of adds that swarm and our DPS didn't feel like dealing with them. We figured if we Limit Break them with AoE it would be over quicker, but like I said before our BLM literally asked "What's LB?" I knew I should've quit the dungeon, but I was at the end so I didn't until we wiped 6 times and all my gear nearly broke, then I left out of frustration. The thing that bugged me the most during that entire boss fight was our BLM who kept sitting still while he/she got mobbed by seedlings and our DRG who left the BLM alone and focused on the boss. I wonder how do these types of people make it to these dungeons....

Edited, Sep 19th 2013 1:36pm by ImmolatedHope
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#2 Sep 19 2013 at 11:48 AM Rating: Decent
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Was a page taken out of Sunken Temple's book for how the mechanics of this dungeon go? I mean I went with about 3 Pug groups and 2/3 wiped on the first boss. 2 of the 3 were JP and the English group I went with got to the final boss, but (1)the BLM we had didn't know how to use Limit Break. How do people get to Level 50 and don't know what Limit Break is, that's my question But anyways, does anyone have any real strategy for the final boss? It's not the Burrs I'm worried about it's the insane amount of adds that swarm and (2) our DPS didn't feel like dealing with them. We figured if we Limit Break them with AoE it would be over quicker, but like I said before our BLM literally asked "What's LB?" I knew I should've quit the dungeon, but I was at the end so I didn't until we wiped 6 times and all my gear nearly broke, then I left out of frustration. The thing that bugged me the most during that entire boss fight was our BLM who kept sitting still while he/she got mobbed by seedlings and (3) our DRG who left the BLM alone and focused on the boss. I wonder how do these types of people make it to these dungeons....

Edited, Sep 19th 2013 1:36pm by ImmolatedHope


1: I can't say i am surprised at this. I have seen a few dungeons where our DPS did not know how to use or fire off LB. I can somewhat understand it because when i went to first use the LB as my ARN, i could not get it to go off. If your using a controller, then it does require more then a single button push to activate.

2: there is no call for this what so ever. Do your job when in a dungeon.

3: see above comment.


Edited, Sep 19th 2013 1:49pm by RyanSquires
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#3ImmolatedHope, Posted: Sep 19 2013 at 11:52 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I'm going to have to do gear checks/knowlege checks when I do dungeons now. It's a bit silly that people don't know what to do at this point and it's just saddening. If anyone is on my server and wishes to help me over this dungeon please let me know.
#4 Sep 19 2013 at 12:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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I use mouse/keyboard and find it difficult to get my LB to go off on SMN sometimes. It is not easy, especially in a boss fight where you can't stand still, to get the dot in the exact right spot to go off. I've pretty much got it down now, but it is a rough thing to get to learn pretty much only during dungeon boss fights. Also, Limit Break, at lower levels, is generally not needed. Only other time I'm ever in a party is FATEs, and the only time a mob is alive long enough to set off LB is during NM fights like Cancer or Behemoth.
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I didnt have to use a LB until lvl 50 in AK. So to act surpised that people dont know how is silly and elitist. Especially since 1-49 you never really need to use them.
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first time i actually used LB was in cape westwind, our lb bar filled and our melee dps didn`t lb, so i used meteor on top of the black judge guy`s head, felt really good.

Edited, Sep 19th 2013 2:16pm by MitArgento
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I am in no way claiming to be an elitist, but after a while people should know what their duties are in a dungeon. Now, this does not mean I am without fault, i have been hit by an AOE, when by all rights I know to avoid, just not as quick as I should be.

I am happy to see that others also did the LB w/ ARN or SMN and a big ol' WTF came up. If your on a controller and try to hotbar this, your in for a rude surprise if you don't already know how to use it. You have to select the button to bring up the aiming circle, if it's purple, forget it, move it until it's orange/redish, then you have to release your left or right bumper depending on your set up, then press A on your controller for it to actually fire. So, after learning all of this, in the midst of a boss battle, I can see why/how people don't know how to do it.

EDIT: I don't think you need to gear check people in a dungeon prior to 50 as it really isn't a hug make-or-break situation. However, i do not entirely feel this is even needed at lvl 50 dungeons either. Granted, they should know their duties but gear checking when using DF is just asking for trouble and arguments.

You should always do a knowledge check when using the DF for ANY level dungeon. this does not mean to call out or criticize those who are new to the dungeon, we all have to learn at one point, but to give helpful tips and guidance to those who are new.

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I didn't use LB on my ACN until Brayflox's Longstop, and yes I couldn't figure out how it worked the first few times as I was on the PS3. I really wish they would have just gone with a "center on target" for the THM(BLM)/ACN(SMN) limit break and not make us range DPS have to deal with a target reticle mid combat....****...just having the target default to where the mob currently is would be enough...every time I've trigger the LB the target was always way behind the mob or off to the side.

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I am in no way claiming to be an elitist, but after a while people should know what their duties are in a dungeon. Now, this does not mean I am without fault, i have been hit by an AOE, when by all rights I know to avoid, just not as quick as I should be.

I am happy to see that others also did the LB w/ ARN or SMN and a big ol' WTF came up. If your on a controller and try to hotbar this, your in for a rude surprise if you don't already know how to use it. You have to select the button to bring up the aiming circle, if it's purple, forget it, move it until it's orange/redish, then you have to release your left or right bumper depending on your set up, then press A on your controller for it to actually fire. So, after learning all of this, in the midst of a boss battle, I can see why/how people don't know how to do it.

Edited, Sep 19th 2013 2:39pm by RyanSquires

You can use a mouse to move the target(the circle). Or press LB(xbox controller) or L1(PS3) and R3 will toggle your right analog to mouse control(instead of camera control).

Edited, Sep 19th 2013 1:46pm by Niknar
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#9 Sep 19 2013 at 12:47 PM Rating: Excellent
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If you have a relatively new BLM or THM in your party and you need the AoE Limit Break, it would be a good idea to explain to them that they have to press the button twice, once to activate and a second click to target the AoE effect.

The aiming part of the THM Limit Break is not all together obvious the first time you need it to fire off. No reason to fail when a polite heads up to your rookie party member will get them on the right track. It's doubly satisfying to win and learn/teach new things with party members.
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To answer your questions.
DD needs to burn down the pods that spawn. THEY SPWAN IN THE SAME PLACE. If you don't kill the pods they turn into three adds EACH. After about 3-4 stacks of the debufff you need to eat a shroom. Just like pretty much every boss battle in this game, if you ignore the adds you will lose. I'm going to assume that since you feel that using a limit break on the adds was the way to win let me tell it's not. He will keep spawning those pods/adds several times so NOT using a limit break was not the reason you wiped on the last boss.

Edited, Sep 19th 2013 3:05pm by nonameoflevi
#11ImmolatedHope, Posted: Sep 19 2013 at 1:09 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) How is it elitist? If you're a DPS role from 1-50 you had to have used LB at least once or twice on your way to 50 during your boss fights. It's literally mandatory for some boss fights like Ifrit and Titan when you need to get rid of the key element. I don't see how that is elitist at all. It's just common practice. I mean from 40-50 you have to have used a LB at least during the fight with Ultima Weapon and Lahabreha. Even from 1-30 in Brayflox's Longstep on Aiatar. I mean I am not saying every person has to use it. But at least if you're a DPS job like BLM/PUG/DRG you at least have to have used it once in a critical boss fight.
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ImmolatedHope wrote:
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I didnt have to use a LB until lvl 50 in AK. So to act surpised that people dont know how is silly and elitist. Especially since 1-49 you never really need to use them.


How is it elitist? If you're a DPS role from 1-50 you had to have used LB at least once or twice on your way to 50 during your boss fights. It's literally mandatory for some boss fights like Ifrit and Titan when you need to get rid of the key element. I don't see how that is elitist at all. It's just common practice. I mean from 40-50 you have to have used a LB at least during the fight with Ultima Weapon and Lahabreha. Even from 1-30 in Brayflox's Longstep on Aiatar. I mean I am not saying every person has to use it. But at least if you're a DPS job like BLM/PUG/DRG you at least have to have used it once in a critical boss fight.


Aren't you the same person who has a level 47 scholar and didn't know you had an AOE? I mean you must have used it once right? You HAD to have used it once right? But at least if you're a job like ARC you at least have to have used it once.
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ImmolatedHope wrote:
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I didnt have to use a LB until lvl 50 in AK. So to act surpised that people dont know how is silly and elitist. Especially since 1-49 you never really need to use them.


How is it elitist? If you're a DPS role from 1-50 you had to have used LB at least once or twice on your way to 50 during your boss fights. It's literally mandatory for some boss fights like Ifrit and Titan when you need to get rid of the key element. I don't see how that is elitist at all. It's just common practice. I mean from 40-50 you have to have used a LB at least during the fight with Ultima Weapon and Lahabreha. Even from 1-30 in Brayflox's Longstep on Aiatar. I mean I am not saying every person has to use it. But at least if you're a DPS job like BLM/PUG/DRG you at least have to have used it once in a critical boss fight.


Actually, if your a DPS, you can go through the entire story without having to use your LB. when you get to the final 8 man dungeons, you have 3 other DPS that can do their LB to, so that only gives you a 25% odds to use it, not high and still, completely reasonable as to why you would not have to do it. As for primals, not the HM ones, you again, only have 50% odds you will need to cast it, and most DPS will use it in a heartbeat. So realistically, finding a DPS that has gotten all the way to 50 without having to do either LB is well within reason. Not nit-picking, just saying.
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#14ImmolatedHope, Posted: Sep 19 2013 at 1:22 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Off Topic: Are you like the local troll here? Because you're very bad at it.
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I agree. Parties that can give polite advice to new-ish palyers seem to have a far better success rate then party made up of a couple very experienced players with little patience for newbies.

Whenever some elite player throw their little fit and rage quits a dungeon, the party nearly always goes on to win, sometimes with 100% first timers.

My question is, how do people reach lvl 50 in an MMO and not improve their patience skills?

I'll take players with patience and helpful attitudes over knowing how to use their LB anyday.
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ImmolatedHope wrote:
nonameoflevi wrote:
ImmolatedHope wrote:
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I didnt have to use a LB until lvl 50 in AK. So to act surpised that people dont know how is silly and elitist. Especially since 1-49 you never really need to use them.


How is it elitist? If you're a DPS role from 1-50 you had to have used LB at least once or twice on your way to 50 during your boss fights. It's literally mandatory for some boss fights like Ifrit and Titan when you need to get rid of the key element. I don't see how that is elitist at all. It's just common practice. I mean from 40-50 you have to have used a LB at least during the fight with Ultima Weapon and Lahabreha. Even from 1-30 in Brayflox's Longstep on Aiatar. I mean I am not saying every person has to use it. But at least if you're a DPS job like BLM/PUG/DRG you at least have to have used it once in a critical boss fight.


Aren't you the same person who has a level 47 scholar and didn't know you had an AOE? I mean you must have used it once right? You HAD to have used it once right? But at least if you're a job like ARC you at least have to have used it once.


Off Topic: Are you like the local troll here? Because you're very bad at it.

On Topic: Alright so the pods will keep spawning until the boss dies. So my question is, would it be more effective to use a single target LB on the boss and just kill it? Because the tank insisted we use LB on the pods that were growing and that a single target LB will just do nothing....I just ran the dungeon again and my last tank rage quit on the 2nd boss. After sitting in the way of 10-Tonze Swing and not moving he wondered why he kept dying. I mean I would run with JP players but I can't understand them and in a dungeon like that it makes me a bit nervous not being able to communicate properly. I did find some JP's who can speak english, but finding a full party is very rare.


Off topic: If I am it worked.

On topic: You should not need a LB to kill the boss. If you can't burn the adds down it won't matter. If you have the boss down to like 10% then yes a single target LB would be good because the Boss can and will move out an AOE LB range.
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This is why I haven't taken my level 42 THM from 1.0 into any of the late game dungeons I could, in theory, enter on it. Gameplay on THM is different enough from 1.0 that I'd be "that guy" if I went into any of the dungeons. Unprepared and underwhelming.

A few of the really bad people you're encountering might be in that boat.
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This is why I haven't taken my level 42 THM from 1.0 into any of the late game dungeons I could, in theory, enter on it. Gameplay on THM is different enough from 1.0 that I'd be "that guy" if I went into any of the dungeons. Unprepared and underwhelming.

A few of the really bad people you're encountering might be in that boat.


AV is really not that hard. I beat it my first go, and your AoE damage on the last boss adds is a godsend
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Well I'm not trying to come off as an elitist since I do not like them myself. I'd hate to become the thing I envy the most in any MMO. I was just curious. I'm not trying to put anyone down. It just makes me question stuff, that's all. I mean the move from 1-50 is a long one. (We all know this.) And there are dungeons which will cause you to wipe 3+ times or more. So I figured maybe some roles would have used a Limit Break to get over those hurdles. I mean I'm not saying "Do this or get out." But I do have a minimum requirement of when I go into the dungeon that people should know their role by now....I mean I come from FFXI and I was always taught that if you weren't up to snuff come Abyssea or even Voidwatch people weren't going to hold your hand and tell you what you need to do. Some end-game Linkshells wouldn't even take you if you didn't have your Empyrean set built. There were people who would bottleneck players to those standards. I remember being kicked out of quite a few parties for not having Shijin Spiral on my 99 PUP.

I also understand there are players who are new to the FF scene and that BLM I explained to her what Limit Break was and how to use it, the problem was she panicked. (Which is normal when under pressure) and didn't use it which caused us to wipe quite a few times to the point where I had to throw in the towel because my gear was on its last legs. When my gear hits 10% and we wipe after that I usually quit.
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Thinking back, while I remember the tutorial window telling you about the limit gauge, I can't recall it actually saying you have to pull the LB button from the action menu and, from there, that the functionality varies a bit based on your class. As a THM, yes, I have to aim. As well, there's a bit of charge time to it so you need to be careful to not get interrupted or even move (it'll eat the gauge). On top of that, the post-use animation lock can be a bit of a downer.

Anyway, while the LB is good for its AoE purpose, I do find THMs AoEs to perhaps be a bit lacking in the damage department. I have done Vale and won, but when it comes to the pods, sometimes they're positioned in such a way that Fire II won't hit them all. Mathematically, I'm also of the mind that if you aren't hitting 3+ targets with Fire II, you're better off with ST nukes and hoping for Firestarter procs. As well, you need to be REALLY careful your other DPS doesn't kill your Fire II target, otherwise wasted cast time. The boss deciding to spawn the seeds just as you'd blown your MP can be a bit irksome, too, since you'll need a few seconds for blizzard to replenish your MP. Overall, this fight can be aggravating for a BLM, especially with the need to nab fruits at 3-4 poison stacks. If they made it so F2 always went off as long as you could start casting it and maybe up AoE a little, things would go a bit more smoothly.
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I find that simply focusing any "adds" can be better then trying to aoe them. The pudding in WP come to mind.
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I've only used limit break once on my ACN/SMN. It doesn't surprise me that people aren't familiar with it. I played FFXI a few years after it came out, and I remember how helpful everyone was. That game required even more patience with new players/ people not familiar with the task. It seems like in FFXIV, everyone expects more because a person reached a certain level. In FFXIV it is much easier to level up and less dependent on parties. You could probably reach a 50 by playing in nothing but FATE parties...

Also I want to add that I'm not defending not knowing what your doing, but at the same time I'm not surprised. I have been frustrated with bad parties and people that don't seem to ever learn. It took me a few attempts to get past Stone Vigil because no one could seem to learn how to avoid the final dragon's ice attacks. I'm not defending that, but there is a difference between the first time doing something and always getting it wrong.



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The reason for this largely is because, except in a very small number of circumstances, it's always better for a MNK or DRG to handle dps limit breaks. Most of the time you don't need an AoE attack and it hits for less damage than the single-target attack from a melee against fewer than 2 targets.

It's important not to assume everyone knows exactly what to do, especially please remember that the game launched less than a month ago. Many of the people you're seeing in your DF groups are doing that dungeon for the very first time, whether they admit it or not.

For me, Aurum Vale has been a nightmare. Not because I can't figure out what to do, but because I either get people that have apparently never run a dungeon before (tanks that can't hold more than one target for instance) or people who are so full of themselves that they can't abide people not knowing as much about the dungeon as they do. Both extremes of this spectrum are useless wastes of space at this level, and the dungeon mechanics simply don't tolerate people not knowing what to do.

If you know how a fight works, explain it to people. If you don't know how a fight works, ask questions.

If everyone is new, accept that a learning curve will be involved.
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#24ShadowofaDoubt, Posted: Sep 19 2013 at 4:26 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Um no I never had to use a LB in any boss fight up to 50. First time ever was AK. Now maybe its because I run with FC more than DF and so I am not with a bunch of undergeared yahoos who need to spam LB's to get pastbosses.
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It's literally mandatory for some boss fights like Ifrit and Titan when you need to get rid of the key element.


LB isn't mandatory for those two. It helps, but I've done it without using that. As far as gear checking DF players goes...if masochism is your thing, I'm not one to knock it. You're looking for a reason to flame if you start doing that.

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Well I'm not trying to come off as an elitist since I do not like them myself. I'd hate to become the thing I envy the most in any MMO.


You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means..
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