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#1 Sep 19 2013 at 5:05 PM Rating: Excellent
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I've been having the same problem all too often lately, where you're in a group for whatever dungeon, and one mistake is made (whether it be from a miss-target, ignorance to the fight's mechanics, etc.), and someone flips out on them, saying things like, "Thanks for the wipe noob" or "This is a simple censored fight, so how are you failing so epicly?" and other various asinine comments.

There seems to be a trend that those so-called "pros" expect everyone else to be on their level, and simply don't tolerate failure.

They seem to have forgotten that at one time they were no better, and this game hasn't even been out a month!

Sure, perhaps they didn't fail quite so hard, but to declare yourself a flawless individual with a right to look down on those who are not on your level is extremely conceited.

I've been in many dungeons with people who have made mistakes, sometimes even stupid ones, but I remember that I was in there shoes once, and I also understand that the last thing they want to hear is how stupid they're being. How about instead you explain to them, calmly, where they went wrong and try to help them succeed the next time?

I know some people are truly hopeless, but not everyone is. Most people can legitimately improve, if you don't treat them like dirt.

Please play nice, everyone. Remember, you were newbie once too!
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I've been having the same problem all too often lately, where you're in a group for whatever dungeon, and one mistake is made (whether it be from a miss-target, ignorance to the fight's mechanics, etc.), and someone flips out on them, saying things like, "Thanks for the wipe noob" or "This is a simple censored fight, so how are you failing so epicly?" and other various asinine comments.

There seems to be a trend that those so-called "pros" expect everyone else to be on their level, and simply don't tolerate failure.

They seem to have forgotten that at one time they were no better, and this game hasn't even been out a month!

Sure, perhaps they didn't fail quite so hard, but to declare yourself a flawless individual with a right to look down on those who are not on your level is extremely conceited.

I've been in many dungeons with people who have made mistakes, sometimes even stupid ones, but I remember that I was in there shoes once, and I also understand that the last thing they want to hear is how stupid they're being. How about instead you explain to them, calmly, where they went wrong and try to help them succeed the next time?

I know some people are truly hopeless, but not everyone is. Most people can legitimately improve, if you don't treat them like dirt.

Please play nice, everyone. Remember, you were newbie once too!


It's FPS Syndrome. That's what I like to call it, anyway.
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#3 Sep 19 2013 at 5:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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Nah son, I was born playing this game. I was cut from the umbilical cord with a laptop and a gamepad in my hands! I made Hard Mode Titan my beyotch when I was 3 years old, you know what I'm Saiyan?

But in all seriousness, I agree 100 percent. Everyone has to start somewhere, and the blatant disrespect I've seen and heard from within Duty Finder groups is completely unacceptable.
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I made Hard Mode Titan my beyotch when I was 3 years old, you know what I'm Saiyan?


I did it at 2 1/2 years old.


Noob.

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I don't mind the wipe if a person says it's their first time. Most of the time, people do rather well their first time. It's the intransigent people I can't stand. It's your fist time, and you have an attitude to? Especially when all a person says is, "stand here please"

Don't get me started on the shouts that ONLY want experienced players with the gear that you get from that very fight....

I try not to lord my gear over people when I play. During Amdapor Keep, I'm able to kill the 2nd boss before or during his spawning of the adds. In Duty finder, I simply kill the adds instead of getting them to match my pace. Simple common sense.
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Ill be honest...ive seen a LOT of elitism in this game (which is normal for games with endgame content like this)

However...and I think its the PS3 players..for the most part...its like tossing gas on the elitists fire.

Ive had people who refused to watch a youtube guide when they say its their first time, as it really is the best way to jump from a bad nooby to someone that might need only one wipe to get it...

Ive seen a lot of people unable or flat our defiant on hopping into a voice chat program so we can make calls on the fly.

And then there are people who are not only walking into the boss fight blind as to whats going to happen...but wont say it until someone says something to them about why they keep messing up...which might be a product of elitism...but makes the situation worse.

Ive never seen any of this in a mmorpg before. Usually your fighting with randoms over whos voice chat they will be using...usually watching the youtube walkthrough is the norm and doesn't need to be forced on people... and ive never seen people who just flat out refuse the offer to do either for the benefit of the run.

These are the people who wipe over and over too...and cause the group to fall apart.

Its one thing to be a bit slow on reaction, or under geared for the fight...or using the wrong rotation or set up whatever...its a whole different ball game when people WANT to be that guy and refuse to take the very simple and quick benefit of walking in with knowledge...ive never seen anything like it.

Often the rebuttal is "you don't need any of that" and "that's just a crutch for bad players" prior to the boss...then 5 wipes later the raid group is leaving and blacklisting the guy...people who were and are willing to work with people.

You have to want to learn though...and this doesn't even touch on trying to help someone who then returns the favor by taking offense and trying to revenge call you out on something rather than focusing on the fight they are having issue with (had a guy who I said needed to upgrade his accessories since dps was low spend the rest of the instance trying to call out my rotation since we were the same class)

There is something very different about this games community...and I really hate to point fingers at the PS3, since I know a few great players who are on console...but im not sure what it is. There always will be elitists who expect nothing but perfection from their pugs no matter how dumb that sounds...but there are a ton of players in this game right now that refuse to even try to take steps towards improving...even the smallest of steps.

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Mostly for those who played FFXI:

The other day my spouse and I were reflecting about the good ol' days when we had started FFXI circa 2004. Now, we played the crap out of that game and eventually were members of a couple (corrupt) endgame linkshells and so forth, but the best parts of our conversation dealt with our first steps in Vana'diel, our first foray into MMORPGs.

I was a Black Mage subbed Red Mage because for some reason I thought that helped me wield the cool-looking level 13 rapier.
My (future) spouse was a Red Mage subbed Monk because claws were awesome and omg they attacked twice!

We were all newbies once. Smiley: grin
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#8 Sep 19 2013 at 5:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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Mostly for those who played FFXI:

The other day my spouse and I were reflecting about the good ol' days when we had started FFXI circa 2004. Now, we played the crap out of that game and eventually were members of a couple (corrupt) endgame linkshells and so forth, but the best parts of our conversation dealt with our first steps in Vana'diel, our first foray into MMORPGs.

I was a Black Mage subbed Red Mage because for some reason I thought that helped me wield the cool-looking level 13 rapier.
My (future) spouse was a Red Mage subbed Monk because claws were awesome and omg they attacked twice!

We were all newbies once. Smiley: grin



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KaneKitty wrote:
Mostly for those who played FFXI:

The other day my spouse and I were reflecting about the good ol' days when we had started FFXI circa 2004. Now, we played the crap out of that game and eventually were members of a couple (corrupt) endgame linkshells and so forth, but the best parts of our conversation dealt with our first steps in Vana'diel, our first foray into MMORPGs.

I was a Black Mage subbed Red Mage because for some reason I thought that helped me wield the cool-looking level 13 rapier.
My (future) spouse was a Red Mage subbed Monk because claws were awesome and omg they attacked twice!

We were all newbies once. Smiley: grin


LOL! I was a 30WAR/5Monk all the way to 30 just to unlock that Samurai class I was dying to unlock. Looking back now, OMG I was "that guy!" Reminds me that it's sometimes people's first MMO.
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LOL, Loller, where you the BLM that just did AK with me?!!??!
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#11 Sep 19 2013 at 5:28 PM Rating: Default
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Welcome to an MMO OP. unfortunately PC gaming comes with the elitist jerks. consoles you get little kids pc you get elitists. honestly tho so far I have noticed the FFxiv scene is much MUCH more mature then say the WoW crowd which is really really nice. but again seeing as this is an MMO there si no escaping the PC elitists completely

Edited, Sep 19th 2013 7:28pm by psycho4r5
#12 Sep 19 2013 at 5:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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This thread. So many times over.
My first MMO experience was FFXI. Just a few minutes into the game, I'm standing there in Bastok with no idea where to go first. I saw a char named Bulgarath and asked him questions. He was very helpful--gave me plenty of tips and even some gil. Being welcomed into a game like that made me want to play and learn my class. I wanted to raid and grind for hours with friends. I was just trying a MMO to see what they were about, and meeting people like that made me come back for more. Never thought I'd enjoy endgame like that until I met the people that I did in FFXI. I added him to my friend list right away and we were friends for many years. My first impression of MMOs was this. People helping others learn.

Now? Not the complete opposite, but it isn't as good. Those claiming to be experienced and elite would rather complain or argue instead using that same time to educate. Some of these forum posts and responses are proof. Granted some people simply haven't learned how to talk and interact with others--years of experience in the workplace have taught me this. That still isn't an excuse. I know hardcore gamers in real life who are just socially inept and don't interact well with others, but they're aware of this and simply show restraint. So many people should learn to do the same. I know I'm rambling, but this topic is one that grinds my gears lol. That person you just flamed could be a good player if he had a reason to be. Be an educator instead of an instigator.

Then again, anonymity brings out the monster in all of us
#13 Sep 19 2013 at 5:37 PM Rating: Excellent
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I've been having the same problem all too often lately, where you're in a group for whatever dungeon, and one mistake is made (whether it be from a miss-target, ignorance to the fight's mechanics, etc.), and someone flips out on them, saying things like, "Thanks for the wipe noob" or "This is a simple censored fight, so how are you failing so epicly?" and other various asinine comments.

There seems to be a trend that those so-called "pros" expect everyone else to be on their level, and simply don't tolerate failure.

They seem to have forgotten that at one time they were no better, and this game hasn't even been out a month!

Sure, perhaps they didn't fail quite so hard, but to declare yourself a flawless individual with a right to look down on those who are not on your level is extremely conceited.

I've been in many dungeons with people who have made mistakes, sometimes even stupid ones, but I remember that I was in there shoes once, and I also understand that the last thing they want to hear is how stupid they're being. How about instead you explain to them, calmly, where they went wrong and try to help them succeed the next time?

I know some people are truly hopeless, but not everyone is. Most people can legitimately improve, if you don't treat them like dirt.

Please play nice, everyone. Remember, you were newbie once too!


Good post. Problem is, the type of people you describe don't frequent this type of forum. They are on forums where they can lord their epeen over other other virgins. Strangerous brings up a good point about the willfully ignorant though. It's a completely new phenomenon for me, no idea where it comes from. Actually ShindaUsagi's FPS remark makes sense. Elitism from both ends of the skill spectrum reminds me of the crap in an online FPS.
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KaneKitty wrote:
Mostly for those who played FFXI:

The other day my spouse and I were reflecting about the good ol' days when we had started FFXI circa 2004. Now, we played the crap out of that game and eventually were members of a couple (corrupt) endgame linkshells and so forth, but the best parts of our conversation dealt with our first steps in Vana'diel, our first foray into MMORPGs.

I was a Black Mage subbed Red Mage because for some reason I thought that helped me wield the cool-looking level 13 rapier.
My (future) spouse was a Red Mage subbed Monk because claws were awesome and omg they attacked twice!

We were all newbies once. Smiley: grin


LOL! I was a 30WAR/5Monk all the way to 30 just to unlock that Samurai class I was dying to unlock. Looking back now, OMG I was "that guy!" Reminds me that it's sometimes people's first MMO.


I was a 50SAM/15WAR before someone finally Snapped at me lol I took mnk to 30 same reason but never went back to lv my SJ lol
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#15 Sep 19 2013 at 5:40 PM Rating: Excellent
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Welcome to an MMO OP. unfortunately PC gaming comes with the elitist jerks. consoles you get little kids pc you get elitists. honestly tho so far I have noticed the FFxiv scene is much MUCH more mature then say the WoW crowd which is really really nice. but again seeing as this is an MMO there si no escaping the PC elitists completely

Edited, Sep 19th 2013 7:28pm by psycho4r5


Feelings of inferiority elsewhere lead people to find superiority through other means. In other words, happy people don't walk around talking down to others. When I first started playing MMOs I let elitists get to me. Until I found out what some of them do in real life. A lot of them simply need an escape from reality. They're not a threat to anything or anyone. Ignore them.
Like this one raid leader who used his "military experience" to discipline to keep his players in line. Refusing bathroom breaks, etc. Then I worked with a guy who served with him. Turns out it the poor ******* couldn't take reprimands from his superiors. Couldn't handle the stress and pressure. Was discharged. Wasn't the "G.I. Joe" that he claimed to be. The game was his way to dish out what he couldn't take. His way of getting back. The one place he felt superior.
Then there's the other guy who set up his PC in his bathroom due to his condition, but that's another story.
#16 Sep 19 2013 at 5:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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This thread. So many times over.
My first MMO experience was FFXI. Just a few minutes into the game, I'm standing there in Bastok with no idea where to go first. I saw a char named Bulgarath and asked him questions. He was very helpful--gave me plenty of tips and even some gil. Being welcomed into a game like that made me want to play and learn my class. I wanted to raid and grind for hours with friends. I was just trying a MMO to see what they were about, and meeting people like that made me come back for more. Never thought I'd enjoy endgame like that until I met the people that I did in FFXI. I added him to my friend list right away and we were friends for many years. My first impression of MMOs was this. People helping others learn.

Now? Not the complete opposite, but it isn't as good. Those claiming to be experienced and elite would rather complain or argue instead using that same time to educate. Some of these forum posts and responses are proof. Granted some people simply haven't learned how to talk and interact with others--years of experience in the workplace have taught me this. That still isn't an excuse. I know hardcore gamers in real life who are just socially inept and don't interact well with others, but they're aware of this and simply show restraint. So many people should learn to do the same. I know I'm rambling, but this topic is one that grinds my gears lol. That person you just flamed could be a good player if he had a reason to be. Be an educator instead of an instigator.

Then again, anonymity brings out the monster in all of us


I had a similar beginning in XI. Was getting beat down by a rabbit outside Sandy when someone stopped to heal me until the fight was over. He then talked me through some basics and sent me on my way. When I learned enough I stopped to help every newb I saw ( Remember ? Next to your name? Lol). That experience made my XI awesome.
#17 Sep 19 2013 at 5:47 PM Rating: Good
There is no exp loss death penalty. Party-wipes come and go. I just wish people were more understanding about the whole thing. I've been in parties where the Tank and Healer were fighting the whole time and me and the BLM just remain silent; can't wait until the really hard instances come. There's no need to be that stressed out over this game.
I like to mention to the group that an instance is my first time. I feel that it's important to let them know this, as I wont know where no not go. The Youtube idea is great, I've watched runs of all the dungeons I've done beforehand.
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#18 Sep 19 2013 at 5:51 PM Rating: Excellent
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Ah yes, the "?". And that's what people don't get nowadays. That's where community starts. I'm not saying all new players are like this because I've had more than my share of run-ins with the "lolpwnz" crowd. I blame MTV. Oh, and Zoidberg.
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pufardo, Tarutaru Murder Suspect wrote:
There is no exp loss death penalty. Party-wipes come and go. I just wish people were more understanding about the whole thing. I've been in parties where the Tank and Healer were fighting the whole time and me and the BLM just remain silent; can't wait until the really hard instances come. There's no need to be that stressed out over this game.
I like to mention to the group that an instance is my first time. I feel that it's important to let them know this, as I wont know where no not go. The Youtube idea is great, I've watched runs of all the dungeons I've done beforehand.


As a tank, I've watched videos and read strats before every first-time dungeon run. Then again, I have MMO experience so it's the norm for me. Those new to MMOs don't know where to go. Also, I don't remember many exp groups in FFXI where the tank and healer were at each other's throats. I didn't experience that until I jumped into WoW. Don't get me wrong--I don't miss FFXI tedium one bit. I do miss the party composure though.
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I was just thinking of posting this exact thread.

I'm really liking CNJ, especially when running PUGs - it's giving me an entirely different approach to leadership and team organization. I just take the initiative and start marking targets unless the tank does within 3-4 trash mobs. Lead by example and be helpful, You never know when you're going to be the difference between someone really clicking with the game and giving up.
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Ive had people who refused to watch a youtube guide when they say its their first time, as it really is the best way to jump from a bad nooby to someone that might need only one wipe to get it...


Some people enjoy playing the game and seeing things for the first time, discovering what's to come and learning to play it first hand. It's the same in single player games. Some would prefer to go get a guide or walkthrough and figure out the best way to do everything and steamroll the game with maximum efficiency. Others would prefer to see the game play out, not knowing what's ahead, not knowing what is considered by others to be "the best" way to do things, letting their success or failure depend on their own merits rather than prior experience obtained by others. Of course, by playing the game yourself, you become better at the game and if you decide to play through it again, you may perform better simply due to the knowledge you gained from playing it the first time.

Online games are played by a wide variety of people, and that can sometimes cause a clash of mindsets, especially considering that the content appeals to all types of players. It's exactly the same as it is with single player games, which of course no one would deny. The main difference here is that your actions effect other players. One player is thinking "This should be fun! I've never seen or done this before" while another is thinking "Let's down this run quickly and efficiently so I can get my reward!" There's a constant hostility between groups like this. Personally my recommendation would be to make sure you're playing with like minded people if you have a certain expectation of what they should know. It's reasonable to expect people to, for example, at the very least gear accordingly for their level, but IMO if you're using the duty finder or joining a PUG it should be understood that you're going to get players of varying skill, equipment, and mindset.

Edited, Sep 19th 2013 8:10pm by Susanoh
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LOL, Loller, where you the BLM that just did AK with me?!!??!

I am a SMN.

Edited, Sep 19th 2013 8:11pm by Lollerfell
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****, thought you were, Had an extremely helpful BLM just help me deal with an Elitist ******* MNK on my first run through AK.
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That really happens? I mean, I know it really happens, but that frequently? Huh. I suppose I should consider myself lucky that I've only wiped twice in dungeons/fights, and there was nary a word spoken ('cept for the first time, when I apologized for not being able to keep everyone alive...including myself, who died first).

My friend 'n I always tell people when it's our first time doing a dungeon/fight, and so far, we've either been led to or outright told what was required of us to complete it. There was no name-calling, no crude remarks or replies, and no bad tempers to be found anywhere. I feel somewhat blessed by that, now. lol

As for newbishness, like many others, I played in FFXI, but I tried to emulate my favourite combination from Final Fantasy Tactics: SAM/MNK. I mean, c'mon! Chakra and Stigma Magic to go with Draw Out abilities? I'd be unstoppable! Y'know, 'cept for the fact that none of that was actually in FFXI. DNC made a mighty fine alternative, though. lol

In the end though, everyone's always going to be "a little new" to something. When an expansion comes out, there's going to be new enemies, new abilities, new jobs, things people will have had absolutely zero experience with, so it's going to be a brand new learning experience all over again. What skills work well with what older skills? What cross-class abilities can I use on this new job? People aren't going to just simply "know" that, and it'll take a little while for them to get familiarized.

The "new" in "newbie" appears a lot of times in MMOs, and that's what makes them appealing...an "ever-changing game"...
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When you deal with people on the internet, you always have to deal with the issue of internet anonymity. People don't tend to be as considerate because you're only another digital entity. In FFXIV this seems to be compounded by the fact that your actions have less severe consequences. For one, the people you meet in dungeons, you'll not likely interact with again. And then there's the fact, at least from what I've seen so far, that you don't depend so much on others in order to progress as you did in FFXI.

On the contrary, I wish there was a way of adding people from other worlds to your friends list. There were people that I met in dungeons who were friendly and awesome. Sadly I'll not likely meet them again as well.
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#28 Sep 19 2013 at 7:03 PM Rating: Excellent
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When you deal with people on the internet, you always have to deal with the issue of internet anonymity. People don't tend to be as considerate because you're only another digital entity. In FFXIV this seems to be compounded by the fact that your actions have less severe consequences. For one, the people you meet in dungeons, you'll not likely interact with again. And then there's the fact, at least from what I've seen so far, that you don't depend so much on others in order to progress as you did in FFXI.

On the contrary, I wish there was a way of adding people from other worlds to your friends list. There were people that I met in dungeons who were friendly and awesome. Sadly I'll not likely meet them again as well.


Anonymity creates a lot of Keyboard Cowboys, Duty Finder makes it that much worse. Adding people from DF as friends would be awesome. I did the first three dungeons with some great, friendly players. I asked the tank I did CB with what server he was on, when he replied Lamia I preceded to throw a fit because he wasn't on Hyperion Smiley: nod

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#29 Sep 19 2013 at 7:41 PM Rating: Excellent
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Strangerous wrote:
Ive had people who refused to watch a youtube guide when they say its their first time, as it really is the best way to jump from a bad nooby to someone that might need only one wipe to get it...


Some people enjoy playing the game and seeing things for the first time, discovering what's to come and learning to play it first hand. It's the same in single player games. Some would prefer to go get a guide or walkthrough and figure out the best way to do everything and steamroll the game with maximum efficiency. Others would prefer to see the game play out, not knowing what's ahead, not knowing what is considered by others to be "the best" way to do things, letting their success or failure depend on their own merits rather than prior experience obtained by others. Of course, by playing the game yourself, you become better at the game and if you decide to play through it again, you may perform better simply due to the knowledge you gained from playing it the first time.

Online games are played by a wide variety of people, and that can sometimes cause a clash of mindsets, especially considering that the content appeals to all types of players. It's exactly the same as it is with single player games, which of course no one would deny. The main difference here is that your actions effect other players. One player is thinking "This should be fun! I've never seen or done this before" while another is thinking "Let's down this run quickly and efficiently so I can get my reward!" There's a constant hostility between groups like this. Personally my recommendation would be to make sure you're playing with like minded people if you have a certain expectation of what they should know. It's reasonable to expect people to, for example, at the very least gear accordingly for their level, but IMO if you're using the duty finder or joining a PUG it should be understood that you're going to get players of varying skill, equipment, and mindset.

Edited, Sep 19th 2013 8:10pm by Susanoh


+1 to this hardcore. You said what was bugging my mind for quite some time now.

Especially when it comes to the watching of youtube walkthrough's, reading of guides. I get the relevance and understand the attributes.... but for a MMO less than a month past it's official release? There's just something "off" about expecting that from players in a brand new game.
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pufardo, Tarutaru Murder Suspect wrote:
There is no exp loss death penalty. Party-wipes come and go. I just wish people were more understanding about the whole thing. I've been in parties where the Tank and Healer were fighting the whole time and me and the BLM just remain silent; can't wait until the really hard instances come. There's no need to be that stressed out over this game.
I like to mention to the group that an instance is my first time. I feel that it's important to let them know this, as I wont know where no not go. The Youtube idea is great, I've watched runs of all the dungeons I've done beforehand.


As a tank, I've watched videos and read strats before every first-time dungeon run. Then again, I have MMO experience so it's the norm for me. Those new to MMOs don't know where to go. Also, I don't remember many exp groups in FFXI where the tank and healer were at each other's throats. I didn't experience that until I jumped into WoW. Don't get me wrong--I don't miss FFXI tedium one bit. I do miss the party composure though.


Funnily enough the guy who grabbed me into his FC the second he saw me on the server... was a guy I absolutely let rip on in an XP party in XI for being a diabolical tank at the time (I was on RDM back then). It's an ongoing source of humour now though (and the tanking's improved substantially)

***********************, thought you were, Had an extremely helpful BLM just help me deal with an Elitist @#%^ MNK on my first run through AK. [/quote]

Someone on FC last night was going on about being in either an AK or Castrum (I forget which) run last night with a total pillock of a MNK running his mouth off and laying into newbies - wondering if it's the same one or if we had a minor infestation of pillock pugilists last night.
#31 Sep 20 2013 at 8:27 AM Rating: Good
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Unfortunately, the bigger issue is not so much the elitism, but what it ends up doing in the long run. You end up with all of those players who don't fit into the little 1-2% of the snotty playerbase, dreading to enter into any content with people they don't know. I've run some of the end-game content on several different jobs now, just to see where everything goes in different roles, and that's just my perspective on learning the instances. Also, watching a video or reading about a fight is never the same as experiencing it, though knowledge beforehand is always helpful.

The game's been out less than a month, and people truly need to get over themselves. Constantly shouting for experienced only, etc. is a bit ridiculous at this point. I actually saw a shout for 'relics only' last night, and it wasn't to farm the tomestones for relics, it meant actually only inviting people who already had relics. Seriously? I've also seen people ragequit after finding out DF picked up people simply doing their story-mode quests in CM and Prae. *shakes head*

If someone's new, I always try to impart whatever knowledge I have if possible, it takes half a minute at most to summarize most boss fights. Yet people would rather wipe and waste 20 minutes, instead of giving a low-down.

All this being said, the fault doesn't lie entirely with the players, SE is to blame as well. If the abandonment penalty was steeper on the DF, people would be more inclined to spend a moment instructing, instead of chewing out a random party member.

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#32 Sep 20 2013 at 8:36 AM Rating: Decent
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So peeps are expecting to find GREAT groups using DF now? Who's the noob there?
If someone were to give me a hard time, I'd ask "what did you expect using DF?"
If they persist (like an ****) I'd finish it with "Ohhh, because obviously with your attitude you have no friends on your server"
#33 Sep 20 2013 at 8:50 AM Rating: Excellent
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As a tank, I've watched videos and read strats before every first-time dungeon run. Then again, I have MMO experience so it's the norm for me. Those new to MMOs don't know where to go. Also, I don't remember many exp groups in FFXI where the tank and healer were at each other's throats. I didn't experience that until I jumped into WoW. Don't get me wrong--I don't miss FFXI tedium one bit. I do miss the party composure though.


I usually read up on fights but the majority, as a tank, you don't really need to know too much other than :

  • Face it away from the rest of the group.
  • Tank it away from the group as far as possible so as to minimize AoE damage on the casters and give them room to spread out.
  • Run away from the fire.
  • Decide if it's better to run to the group for certain mechanics or stay there (Titan bombs for example).

Ifrit's boring for a tank and standard fare. Garuda I looked to see the basic layout and the whole clockwise mechanic. Titan's another boring one outside of riding timers for mitigating table throw.

And yeah, having come from FFXI endgame, WoW endgame, and Rift endgame the majority of the fights I just go "Oh, ok so this is like XXX, got it (i.e. Brayflox last boss = Grobbulus, etc.).

One thing I *do* have to mention though is despite the majority of the populace's inability to read Square-Enix has done an absolutely tremendous job with the tutorial system in this game. It's not only there to teach you aspects of the game, but the majority of it is also there to teach brand new people to MMOs how to play an MMO. It's why I've gotten tired of answering the same questions in FC ("how i materua!?!?" "where u go airship!?!?" "wut do chocobo!?!?" "how i mine fish!?!?") when every question is answered either via doing the story mission or just reading the **** tutorials.

I've, thankfully, only had a few ******* to deal with so far in FFXIV and one was on Garuda HM. It was a WHM who refused to cast cure because "Stoneskin is more mana efficient" and just spammed that.... which would have worked if he actually helped heal the whole group during add burn phases AND didn't stand in front of adds and then died to Slipstream every single time. He then tried to state it's a tank fault that we "lost aggro and it came to kill me; my brother's a dragoon and can hold hate better than you and I never get hit standing in front of garuda when other tanks tank".
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DF is good when you can't find anyone else to run with. What I eventually want to do is find a FC that runs dungeons together very often. I still haven't found that yet, but I won't give up the search! I'm hoping they'll eventually let Legacy players transfer. So, if I can't find that FC community on Excalibur I'll try my luck elsewhere.
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