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#1 Sep 21 2013 at 12:18 AM Rating: Good
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A very special guest is coming to Eorzea:
http://www.finalfantasy.net/xv/ffxi-ffxiv-dqx-collaborations-revealed/
It looks like the fanservice in FFXIV is just beginning.

Though I am curious what the FFXI side of this will be.
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#3 Sep 21 2013 at 1:13 AM Rating: Good
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Sigue wrote:
Needs more Prishe


I second this..
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omg dragon quest collab too, **** this makes things even more awesome.
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I'm typically not a fan of minions but I'd let her tag along with me for a little while!
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Sorry, but a giant Shantotto boss that allows you (i.e., everyone) have Shantotto as a pet...? It seems like too much, as though it's really shoehorning these cameos into the other games.

I don't mind little pets and guest appearances and so forth, but these events have an exploitative feel to them, as though SE is desperate or so totally out of ideas that they're just mashing their IPs into anything and everything they can. :\
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I... can have... a mini-Shantoto...??

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Sorry, but a giant Shantotto boss that allows you (i.e., everyone) have Shantotto as a pet...? It seems like too much, as though it's really shoehorning these cameos into the other games.

I don't mind little pets and guest appearances and so forth, but these events have an exploitative feel to them, as though SE is desperate or so totally out of ideas that they're just mashing their IPs into anything and everything they can. :\


You didn't know Eorzea = Lilliput?

It's not that Shantotto is huge, it's that we are tiny.
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KaneKitty wrote:
Sorry, but a giant Shantotto boss that allows you (i.e., everyone) have Shantotto as a pet...? It seems like too much, as though it's really shoehorning these cameos into the other games.

I don't mind little pets and guest appearances and so forth, but these events have an exploitative feel to them, as though SE is desperate or so totally out of ideas that they're just mashing their IPs into anything and everything they can. :\


Now I didn't address this, but really? You think they are only now shoe-horning in fan service? Did you play FFXI? Because Artifact armor is basically fan service. Moogles? Fan service. Chocobos? Yup, fan service. Any mob whose model came from a previous installment of the series? Fan service.

Is it more blatent here? **** ******* yes. This game was a catastrophe, and part of how they are appealing to us is to play on our nostalgia for this aging franchise. The game is incredible, but without some fan service to draw people from FFXI or from outside of the SE MMO family, they need to have a hook. I don't care one bit, I am loving it. The pets are the most ***************** worthless thing in FFXIV. If they want to offer up some sentimental item to remind us of prior games, ******* do it there! I love it! ****, that "Helm of Light", FAN SERVICE TO DISSIDIA :D

I get that you might see it as a crass grab for the heartstrings, I see it as this massive apology for a huge blunder. It's like SE is that boyfriend who said some **** they shouldn't have, and are buying us candy and flowers!
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I'm starting to not like this.

Lightning can be explained away with her universe-hopping but Shantotto is a little strange.

I'm not going to complain about it, but it's just a little weird. I mean, this means that Tarutaru exist in Eorzea now.
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LucasNox wrote:
Lightning can be explained away with her universe-hopping but Shantotto is a little strange.


She's the most powerful Black Mage. Are you going to tell her she can't cross universes?
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Lightning can be explained away with her universe-hopping but Shantotto is a little strange.


She's the most powerful Black Mage. Are you going to tell her she can't cross universes?


She was also in Dissidia, and everyone who qualified for the CE reward is wearing a helmet designed after the Warrior of Light's helmet in Dissidia.

Also it's a video game.
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#14 Sep 21 2013 at 3:05 PM Rating: Excellent
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You guys didn't finish the Shantotto mini xpac did you?

Remember, she can hop dimensions, so this one does make some sense. Also why she is giant.

Edited, Sep 21st 2013 5:07pm by imbtrthnur
#15preludes, Posted: Sep 21 2013 at 3:47 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) It's kinda funny but ruins the lore of the game, for those that care. Shantoto is a totally different universe, same as lightning.
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Good, they're doing something different and fun.

That is still the point of playing a game, right? Fun? I love Shantoto.

Edited, Sep 21st 2013 6:02pm by Lefein
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preludes wrote:
It's kinda funny but ruins the lore of the game, for those that care. Shantoto is a totally different universe, same as lightning.

Most MMOs are quite serious about sticking to the lore (at least for actual ingame content), infact I can't think of many that don't.


Yea, um, Lightning and Shantoto (as well as the Golems) are all going to be events, like the festivals we have that are mimicking RL holidays.
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#18 Sep 21 2013 at 4:17 PM Rating: Good
I love Shantotto and I'd never dare tell the mistress of mean she wasn't welcome in FFXIV......a Shantotto minion would be awesome.
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KaneKitty wrote:
Sorry, but a giant Shantotto boss that allows you (i.e., everyone) have Shantotto as a pet...? It seems like too much, as though it's really shoehorning these cameos into the other games.

I don't mind little pets and guest appearances and so forth, but these events have an exploitative feel to them, as though SE is desperate or so totally out of ideas that they're just mashing their IPs into anything and everything they can. :\


I disagree. Shantotto is not even close to the most iconic character from FFXI. It's like a light cameo, IMO, and many FFXI players won't even realize it. Maybe I'm wrong but I feel like a lot of players never even fought Shantotto.
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Pawkeshup the Meaningless wrote:
preludes wrote:
It's kinda funny but ruins the lore of the game, for those that care. Shantoto is a totally different universe, same as lightning.

Most MMOs are quite serious about sticking to the lore (at least for actual ingame content), infact I can't think of many that don't.


Yea, um, Lightning and Shantoto (as well as the Golems) are all going to be events, like the festivals we have that are mimicking RL holidays.


Sorry, but you might be wrong.

Lightning is probably not just an event. It's very obvious (to me) that Lightning is going to be a main character in the story. I'm guessing we will need to free her from the Ascians.

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I'm not going to make a big deal out of it, but I hope they start making some cool, iconic characters/character designs that are unique to ARR.

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Louiscool wrote:
KaneKitty wrote:
Sorry, but a giant Shantotto boss that allows you (i.e., everyone) have Shantotto as a pet...? It seems like too much, as though it's really shoehorning these cameos into the other games.

I don't mind little pets and guest appearances and so forth, but these events have an exploitative feel to them, as though SE is desperate or so totally out of ideas that they're just mashing their IPs into anything and everything they can. :\


I disagree. Shantotto is not even close to the most iconic character from FFXI. It's like a light cameo, IMO, and many FFXI players won't even realize it. Maybe I'm wrong but I feel like a lot of players never even fought Shantotto.

Well, me and a lot of other people love her!
But do tell who you think the most iconic one is?
If it's that silly Prince from Sandy I'm not buying that.
If it's Prishe she actually irritated me to death.
Or that soppy one from WoTG - Lisette was it?
Now if it's Lion I might go along with thatSmiley: nod
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I am waiting for my Lion minion from FFXI ; p
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Pawkeshup the Meaningless wrote:
...really? You think they are only now shoe-horning in fan service? Did you play FFXI? Because Artifact armor is basically fan service. Moogles? Fan service. Chocobos? Yup, fan service. Any mob whose model came from a previous installment of the series? Fan service.


The question is not whether this constitutes "fan service." That was never being questioned.

If you don't see anything different between using redesigned transportation methods of the same names and carrying over actual plot characters, well, I'll never be able to prevail upon you.
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I don't like Lightning. (Wait's for the Lightning fanboys/fangirls to make biased comments.)

But I'm all for Shanty! I loved her rhymes and wit that went with them. My favorite one.

"You want ruin and rage, you've come to the right mage."
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I don't like Lightning. (Wait's for the Lightning fanboys/fangirls to make biased comments.)

But I'm all for Shanty! I loved her rhymes and wit that went with them. My favorite one.

"You want ruin and rage, you've come to the right mage."



/em jumps at the opportunity to be the first Lightning "fan girl". Lightning is simply a great character. Love her or hate her. She's a memorable character whether you dislike the game. She's about to rip up the FF world like no other 'hero' before her.

Your QQ room is reserved.


*voted down. All's still right in the post XII world.

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Lightning by far is the worst character to have ever graced the FF scene. She still does not outshine Aerith Gainsborough nor will she ever take the warm spot I have for Terra Branford. Lightning's character as a whole is rather poorly developed in terms of the FF franchise. Which by far I can say can be backed up by Yahtzee from Zero Punctuation on Youtube. A woman who was a soldier (Sound familiar anyone? Cloud maybe?) Who has trouble moving ahead in life. *cough*Cloud*cough* and thus became emotionally bent out of shape when her sister was taken away from her in a crisis that neither her nor her own kin could control. *COUGH*ZACK!*COUGH* That being said she ends up going on this long journey to save the world from destruction from those god awful creatures. (Fal Cee or whatever you call them.) In hopes of saving her sister. She then comes to the realization that she is a "pet" so to speak. Just like Cloud did when he found out about Sephiroth and Jenova. So that really being said Lightning is just a more *** appealed Cloud. Oh to also back up my case her character development DID stem from Cloud because I do believe as a pre-order bonus for Lightning Returns you get Cloud's signature suit from FF7 with the iconic Buster Sword. So please don't tell me she's going to make a watermark in the history of FF when Cloud has already done it himself with his fanboys/fangirl base. The only thing that is appealing about lightning is....well I can't think of anything. So I really can't say. But all I can tell you is that she is nothing more than a recycled and feminized Cloud. Call me ignorant if you wish, but she holds no place in my heart as an iconic character when she is nothing more than carbon copy trash. *Fixes Glasses* I await your argument sir/madam.

Oh and the cheese they served with the wine in the QQ room. To die for.

Did I forget to mention their names are from the weather as well? Lightning and then Cloud? Put them together? Lightning Cloud. You can't say that FF didn't even scream "COMPARISON" with her character.

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Whoah there pardner! Thats some TLDR stuff right there!
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I can understand that they are bringing in ff characters into xiv. Im not 100% with dragon quest coming into a ff game. Maybe they'll bring in star ocean characters or grandia?

We'll probably start seeing disney characters when kingdom hearts 3 gets closer to release.

I wanna play ff I hope theyre not going to forget xiv is still a ff title.
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I'd prefer Zeid myself, if we could pick FFXI favourites, or even Gilgamesh.
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The question is not whether this constitutes "fan service." That was never being questioned.

If you don't see anything different between using redesigned transportation methods of the same names and carrying over actual plot characters, well, I'll never be able to prevail upon you.


But, you see, that's all this is, period. Shantoto is not coming to town to change the story (and despite what has bee said previously, I doubt Lightning is either). All the reports for these fates and events follow the same line: The "Bubbly Bernie" inclusion rule.

If you are not aware by now, there's a FATE in the Ul'Dah region where you fight Bubbly Bernie. Bubbly Bernie, if you are not aware, was a low level monster from FFXI that was a running gag for a while. In fact, there was once an alliance that tried to kill him.


(OK so maybe I wrote that entire last paragraph as just an excuse to post that ages old video, @#%^ it :D)

His inclusion doesn't impact the world. It doesn't break the game. It doesn't destroy your immersion or ruin FFXIV. And you can completely avoid the fight, and never, ever see it.

That's what these are. They are nods to long-time fans and followers of the series. Just like Cid being in just about every FF game, just like having Moogles. ****, you know that nifty Magitek armor people right around in? You think that sh*t's new and wasn't shoehorned in? They actually put that sh*t in as a storylined element, but it's utterly ripped from an entirely different game made years ago, albeit within the same franchise.

Complaining that they are sticking in costume and minion giving optional FATES and missions is like whining about having to eat dessert at the end of a great meal. No one will force, and ****, you just might like something sweet after consuming everything else.

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I... can have... a mini-Shantoto...??

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I have been trying to wait to get the ps4 version of this game...but I am just about ready to get a better computer and just get it now! That event looks **** amazing to me...

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>.> While you guys are doing FATEs. I'll be making me and the misses a house. HOUSING!
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>.> While you guys are doing FATEs. I'll be making me and the misses a house. HOUSING!
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No, do the FATE, then put your Shantoto minion IN your house!
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Pawkeshup the Meaningless wrote:
No, do the FATE, then put your Shantoto minion IN your house!


I like you....you think outside the box.
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I hope we have furniture that is really useful.
Like a Larder in the Kitchen that holds some basic Ingredients and perhaps a stove to cook on.
Like stuff in a workshop that repairs armour, does some basic synths etc
A Hall to show off some of your achievements.
For Company Housing it should include some duties you have to perform weekly to progress (think DoH DoL here)
and those that don't contribute can't partake of any benefits gained.
umn probably wrong thread - to be relevant I would install a throne for my shantoto pet ^^

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backed up by Yahtzee from Zero Punctuation
All credibility lost.
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bsphil wrote:
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backed up by Yahtzee from Zero Punctuation
All credibility lost.


Off Topic: You're still on that? That was like 10 post ago. Plus it's going to be a biased arguement which nobody is going to win. So please let sleeping dogs lie.

On Topic: I hope they bring the moogle who took care of your mog house back. Then again....I might get to stare at my retainer...who's gender I am not revealing until I get my house of course. I don't think the misses will appreciate me looking at my retainer much anyways. She's rather possessive. Oh woe is me.
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Isn't this a little late to complain, consider the BLM soul gem is called Gem of Shantotto?
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Re-imagining is fine FF has been doing this forever. Side quest stuff is fine. Fluff is fine. Re-imagined characters in ARR is fine.

When SE starts taking old stuff in the same form in the new, ripping stuff directly with no re-imagining into the main story, or making them the main story in expansions. Is when I will draw the line.

Hasn't happened yet nor do I think it will.
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Isn't this a little late to complain, consider the BLM soul gem is called Gem of Shantotto?

Shatotto, actually, but the text does joke about Shantotto during the beginning of the relic line, if I recall.
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Then again....I might get to stare at my retainer...who's gender I am not revealing until I get my house of course. I don't think the misses will appreciate me looking at my retainer much anyways. She's rather possessive. Oh woe is me.


Thread's gettin' weird... Smiley: popcorn
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Then again....I might get to stare at my retainer...who's gender I am not revealing until I get my house of course. I don't think the misses will appreciate me looking at my retainer much anyways. She's rather possessive. Oh woe is me.


Thread's gettin' weird... Smiley: popcorn


Don't act like you didn't dress your retainer to look cute in some way. >_>
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#45 Sep 23 2013 at 7:05 AM Rating: Excellent
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Catwho wrote:
We've had Cid since FFIII and it's kind of not a Final Fantasy game without him now.




Biggs and Wedge have been in alot of FF's as well I can remember as far back as 7 (AVALANCHE) maybe even further back like IV http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Biggs_and_Wedge

Edited, Sep 23rd 2013 9:08am by JeremyPD55

Edited, Sep 23rd 2013 9:11am by JeremyPD55
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#46 Sep 23 2013 at 7:16 AM Rating: Default
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ImmolatedHope wrote:
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ImmolatedHope wrote:
Then again....I might get to stare at my retainer...who's gender I am not revealing until I get my house of course. I don't think the misses will appreciate me looking at my retainer much anyways. She's rather possessive. Oh woe is me.


Thread's gettin' weird... Smiley: popcorn


Don't act like you didn't dress your retainer to look cute in some way. >_>

I made my retainer look like one of my submissives 'miquoteized'. She was actually quite pleased.
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#47 Sep 23 2013 at 9:01 AM Rating: Good
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LucasNox wrote:
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It's kinda funny but ruins the lore of the game, for those that care. Shantoto is a totally different universe, same as lightning.

Most MMOs are quite serious about sticking to the lore (at least for actual ingame content), infact I can't think of many that don't.


Yea, um, Lightning and Shantoto (as well as the Golems) are all going to be events, like the festivals we have that are mimicking RL holidays.


Sorry, but you might be wrong.

Lightning is probably not just an event. It's very obvious (to me) that Lightning is going to be a main character in the story. I'm guessing we will need to free her from the Ascians.

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I'm not going to make a big deal out of it, but I hope they start making some cool, iconic characters/character designs that are unique to ARR.

Edited, Sep 21st 2013 6:48pm by LucasNox


The sad part of this is that there already have been. But, people have already been in such a rush that they seem to brush over Minfillia, the Great Detective and his assistant (which have not yet made their grand re-appearance).

With that being said, one must also consider the fact that Final Fantasy has always been a tribute game since, I would suppose you would have to say 3 or 4. As there have been re-occuring characters and monsters that are iconic to the series. This is not new to them, and is not some shameless plug of previous series. This is just what they are known for by a lot of us old-timers.

The two oldest beastman tribes are the sahagin and goblins, owing their start all the way back to FF1. You have the Malboros, which I believe have been in every final fantasy to date.

The three primals that have had some form or fashion since the introduction of summoning (I don't include Leviathan, since he technically appeared in 2, as a sea god, or Bahamut, who started out as the dragon god in 1) where Rahum, Shiva, and Titan.

Needless to say, having crazy cross-overs, and tributes to previous games are what keep bringing a lot of people back. And it reminds people of what Final Fantasy is, and was. Personally I like this, and as long as the main concept isn't "What we did", but rather, just little reminders like they are doing, I am happy.
#48 Sep 23 2013 at 3:58 PM Rating: Excellent
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ImmolatedHope wrote:

Off Topic: You're still on that? That was like 10 post ago. Plus it's going to be a biased arguement which nobody is going to win. So please let sleeping dogs lie.


Careful. You might start rumors of characters from titles that Squenix Published like Sleeping Dogs, Tomb Raider, Deus Ex, etc. lol
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