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#1 Sep 22 2013 at 4:44 AM Rating: Decent
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Fellow Scholars I would like to lean on the knowledge of my peers and get some information about two questions I've had on my mind about Scholar.


1. How useful/necessary is it to put up Stoneskin as SCH? It would feel like a bit of a chore leveling CNJ to 34 to get it, but I certainly will if it will be of great benefit to my party. Any thoughts on this?

2. I've read a great tid bit of information regarding maximizing the healing potential of Eos and Selene. Apparently if you drink a mind potion directly before summoning either Fairy that it supercharges their stats. Pet stats are based off of our stats at the time of summoning, so drinking a mind potion gives a lot of added healing power to our little friends. Has anyone been actively doing this or experimented with this. I just recently read this online today and one SCH was claiming that his EoS can pretty much solo heal AV and is dropping 1.2k heals. Would love to hear personal experiences
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#2 Sep 23 2013 at 2:09 AM Rating: Good
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I can't speak directly to whether this affects the faeries, but I know that when I'm trying to maximize TCarb's HP, I stack all the VIT I can before summoning him. It makes a ton of difference. Especially when I accidentally re-summon him without it and he loses like 10% of his HP.

My guess is that all the pets are tied to our stats. I've messed around a bit with Carbuncle and have summoned him after I swap in new gear just to see how it affects him. The only thing I can really see is his HP, but it stands to reason that all stats are similarly linked.

The easiest way to test is to have your faerie heal without the potion, to see what kind of numbers you get, then take a potion and re-summon. If there is a difference to be seen, that's when you'll notice.
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#3 Sep 23 2013 at 7:40 AM Rating: Decent
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Just wanted to know if you know that these potions only last like 12 seconds

On the stoneskin question, From a SCH it will only give 10% damange reduction from SCH as appose to the 18% from a whm. I'ts better to get Swiftcast from THM/BLM then anything else. Swiftcast+Resurrection is THE best then you can have on SCH.

Edited, Sep 23rd 2013 9:53am by nonameoflevi
#4 Sep 23 2013 at 9:27 AM Rating: Good
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nonameoflevi wrote:
On the stoneskin question, From a SCH it will only give 10% damage reduction from SCH as appose to the 18% from a whm.


Stoneskin doesn't provide damage reduction: It puts a shield on the target that absorbs an amount of damage equal to 10% (18% with the CNJ trait) of their HP. I haven't played SCH yet, but I know as CNJ it's handy to Stoneskin the tank pre-pull to give me a few extra seconds before I have to start healing, especially on trash. Obviously it's better at 18% than at 10%, but even 10% was enough to let the puggiest of pug tanks run around and get aggro on everything so that I didn't pull loose mobs with my first Cure.
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#5 Sep 23 2013 at 11:47 AM Rating: Good
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nonameoflevi wrote:
Just wanted to know if you know that these potions only last like 12 seconds

On the stoneskin question, From a SCH it will only give 10% damange reduction from SCH as appose to the 18% from a whm. I'ts better to get Swiftcast from THM/BLM then anything else. Swiftcast+Resurrection is THE best then you can have on SCH.

Edited, Sep 23rd 2013 9:53am by nonameoflevi


Most spells take effect with the Stats of the Caster at the time of casting (as far as I know). So if you boost your Stats and knock out a few Stoneskins before the potion wears off, you will have added to the potency of said spells. The effect doesn't diminish with the expiration of the potion.

That's partly why the OP was asking if it boosted the stats of the faeries, because he could very likely summon faeries with better-than-level stats and once summoned, would work with the increased ability until dismissed / slain.
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#6 Sep 23 2013 at 12:42 PM Rating: Good
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I found this on Blue Gartr I'll try and find the rest

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Quote Originally Posted by Kiarax View Post
GF always pops MND pots now before she summons fairy. Maybe she just pays 0 attention but the fairy can solo heal everything but the final boss in AK. I see crit cures of 1.3k from it.
Peeps who did a test on this posted on reddit that MND pots do not affect faerie's cure potency.
#7 Sep 23 2013 at 7:39 PM Rating: Decent
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nonameoflevi wrote:
I'ts better to get Swiftcast from THM/BLM then anything else. Swiftcast+Resurrection is THE best then you can have on SCH.

Edited, Sep 23rd 2013 9:53am by nonameoflevi




Thanks a lot for that. This is the reason why I come to these forums. Great suggestion! Stupidly I did not even think of that, but reflecting back what a life saver this combination would have been on multiple occasions. Going to start working on it asap :)
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#8 Sep 24 2013 at 6:22 AM Rating: Decent
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Jjnnyrr wrote:
nonameoflevi wrote:
Just wanted to know if you know that these potions only last like 12 seconds

On the stoneskin question, From a SCH it will only give 10% damange reduction from SCH as appose to the 18% from a whm. I'ts better to get Swiftcast from THM/BLM then anything else. Swiftcast+Resurrection is THE best then you can have on SCH.

Edited, Sep 23rd 2013 9:53am by nonameoflevi


Most spells take effect with the Stats of the Caster at the time of casting (as far as I know). So if you boost your Stats and knock out a few Stoneskins before the potion wears off, you will have added to the potency of said spells. The effect doesn't diminish with the expiration of the potion.

That's partly why the OP was asking if it boosted the stats of the faeries, because he could very likely summon faeries with better-than-level stats and once summoned, would work with the increased ability until dismissed / slain.


The effect of stoneskin is Static/Fixed. This isnt FFXI where you can enhance it. The potion last 12 seconds and after it wares your MND returns to normal. Its not long enough to do more then get off a few heals and it does not affect the fairy.
#9 Oct 14 2013 at 10:02 AM Rating: Good
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Revisiting the issue of Stoneskin now that I've gotten SCH to level 40: it's not critical, more of a convenience. Stoneskin + Fairy are almost always sufficient to allow me time to stack dots and Bane before I need to heal. At my level I would rank the cross-class abilities (I have WHM/BLM both at 50 so all abilities are available to me):
  1. Swiftcast: Endlessly useful for instant resurrect, pet summon, or Adloquium. Easily worth leveling THM to 26.
  2. Protect: Bit of extra defense, physical-only since we don't have the WHM trait. You could get by without it, but then it only takes an hour or so to level CNJ to 8.
  3. Stoneskin: Convenient, as discussed above. Level 34 is a pretty steep price.
  4. Aero: Another instant dot to cast when on the move.
  5. Thunder: A bit more damage than Aero, but not instant.
  6. Surecast: Very situational, and therefore rarely useful.
  7. Cleric Stance: At my level, even in all Mind jewelry, the difference between my Mind and Int is less than 5 points. Not worth slotting, though this will change with gear.
  8. Cure: Useless - same as Physick.
  9. Raise: Useless.

If Bane could spread Aero or Thunder, I would use either of them in place of Stoneskin except for the most undergeared of tanks.
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#10 Oct 18 2013 at 10:30 AM Rating: Default
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I use surecast often. Anytime there is a move that hits everyone (HM primal's 2hr abilities for instance) I surecast -> medica II to where the spell goes off right after the damage. Then a swiftcast -> whatever is needed next. No need to waste a swiftcast on these attacks with well timed surecast.
#11 Oct 18 2013 at 12:25 PM Rating: Good
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HatPower wrote:
I use surecast often. Anytime there is a move that hits everyone (HM primal's 2hr abilities for instance) I surecast -> medica II to where the spell goes off right after the damage. Then a swiftcast -> whatever is needed next. No need to waste a swiftcast on these attacks with well timed surecast.

Scholars don't have Medica, which makes Surecast significantly less useful. I typically will Succor before the big damage goes out to get some shields on everyone, and then top up after.

Edited, Oct 18th 2013 1:31pm by cartec

Edited, Oct 18th 2013 1:32pm by cartec
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