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#1 Sep 22 2013 at 10:17 AM Rating: Decent
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ok so right in front of me there are 3 people all dressed exactly the same, accessories and all. they are all THM. they dont have random names though, they seem real.

now, the weird thing is, one of them is just standing by the repair guy in ul dah. 2 of them repeatedly go into the inn. come out. talk to the repair guy beside the inn. and go back inside the inn, etc.

is there a possible exploit here? normally people wouldn't do weird things like this which is why this looks really fishy. i cant see a reason why people would go in and out and talk to the repair guy over and over.
#2 Sep 22 2013 at 10:28 AM Rating: Excellent
They probably sit in the Inn to acquire more rested XP while waiting on DF ques, then they do the instance, finish it and exit back to their room, exit to repair, and go back in.... rinse repeat.

I've done that on a few occassions.

Edited, Sep 22nd 2013 11:39am by Dyadem
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#3 Sep 22 2013 at 10:38 AM Rating: Excellent
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Keysofgaruda wrote:
they dont have random names though, they seem real.


Keep in mind that FFXIV (stupidly, I think) features a "generate legitimate-sounding name" option on character creation.
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Dyadem, pet mage of Jabober wrote:
They probably sit in the Inn to acquire more rested XP while waiting on DF ques, then they do the instance, finish it and exit back to their room, exit to repair, and go back in.... rinse repeat.

I've done that on a few occassions.

Edited, Sep 22nd 2013 11:39am by Dyadem


i would agree but they arent doing this. theres no pause in between them going in and coming out. they go in, come out, talk to repair guy, and go back in. thtis cycle is 20 seconds in total.
#5 Sep 22 2013 at 10:52 AM Rating: Good
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Hmm, but what could they be getting from it?
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#6 Sep 22 2013 at 10:57 AM Rating: Good
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Hmm, but what could they be getting from it?


not sure. the only thing you can do in there is talk to your retainer. i'm just putting this out there because of how weird it looks. The one guy just standing there DC'd and now the other 2 never came out of their inn.

could just be their bot went on the fritz who knows. i sent an investigation report. If they are doing something shady hopefully SE will look into it.
#7 Sep 22 2013 at 11:33 AM Rating: Good
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I wonder if they could be transferring funds and/or liquidating gathering materials. It might be a script to empty out someone's inventory. Or, yeah, possibly a bot on the fritz.
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#8 Sep 22 2013 at 11:39 AM Rating: Good
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Pure speculation, but maybe they have found a way to dupe items in the inn and are selling them en masse?

I forget, can you sell stuff to menders?
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Pickins wrote:
I forget, can you sell stuff to menders?


Not the the Independent Mender NPCs in town, the only thing they offer is repair services. You can sell to the Merchant + Menders that are all over the other places though, they offer all services, Tools, Armors, Weapons, and Repair.

You cannot craft in your Inn, so it doesn't really make any sense that they'd go into the Inn, do something, then come out and need to use the repair NPC.
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#10 Sep 22 2013 at 12:48 PM Rating: Decent
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Yea, I am really baffled. I will have to check into it when I'm on again.
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Looks like we have a mystery on our hands, gang! Smiley: dubious
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Looks like we have a mystery on our hands, gang! Smiley: dubious

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Looks like we have a mystery on our hands, gang! Smiley: dubious

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As long as we don't pull off Yoshi's mask and find it was Tanaka all along.

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Tanaka would NEVER be so nice to the players. His motto was "Treat em mean and keep em keen"!
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Please just report it. Then at least they have it on record. To me it sounds like they are raiding the repair merchant somehow. There was a period in FFXI where characters somehow raided the AH and were able to pilfer millions and millions of gil. This could be something like that.
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Leave it to people on---Naaah I won't say that. Just leave it to people in general to opt for the easy way out.
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#18 Sep 22 2013 at 5:40 PM Rating: Good
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Seriha wrote:
As long as we don't pull off Yoshi's mask and find it was Tanaka all along.


Woah, eerie! From August 24, 2012:

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#19 Sep 22 2013 at 8:19 PM Rating: Good
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Drats! They would have succeeded too, had it not been for you meddling kids!
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I think i found it.

They are infact RMT. Spamming their advertisements.

The trick is, you cant blacklist someone when they're in their innroom, since you will then get the message "Cannot locate a character with that name". Just happened to me, even Copy/Pasted the name since i thought i misspelled it at first.

It's basicly their counter to us blacklisting them...

Edited, Sep 23rd 2013 12:14pm by KojiroSoma
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#21 Sep 23 2013 at 5:27 AM Rating: Excellent
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KojiroSoma wrote:
I think i found it.

They are infact RMT. Spamming their advertisements.

The trick is, you cant blacklist someone when they're in their innroom, since you will then get the message "Cannot locate a character with that name". Just happened to me, even Copy/Pasted the name since i thought i misspelled it at first.

It's basicly their counter to us blacklisting them...

Edited, Sep 23rd 2013 12:14pm by KojiroSoma


Great find, and should be easily fixable by SE by simply allowing blacklist to work on people who are in an inn.
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#22 Sep 23 2013 at 6:09 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'd like to think that a cryptic url from a facesmash name or random stranger that spams the chat so fast it becomes useless and that you're unable to blacklist asking for your credit card info in exchange for virtual currency would throw some serious red flags to people...but I know it doesn't. These guys wouldn't spam the chat like that if it wasn't effective.
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Keysofgaruda wrote:
ok so right in front of me there are 3 people all dressed exactly the same, accessories and all. they are all THM. they dont have random names though, they seem real.

now, the weird thing is, one of them is just standing by the repair guy in ul dah. 2 of them repeatedly go into the inn. come out. talk to the repair guy beside the inn. and go back inside the inn, etc.

is there a possible exploit here? normally people wouldn't do weird things like this which is why this looks really fishy. i cant see a reason why people would go in and out and talk to the repair guy over and over.


All the cheating really frustrates me. All the effort and talent that goes into discovering and exploiting loopholes in a world where things don't really matter; if only all that talent and effort could be applied to solving real-world problems instead of creating them.
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There is always the off chance they were trying to store stuff in their bank and were just going to repair it one section at a time...Not sure why stuff needs to be at 100% to bank but w/e

I also noticed that even when you blist people, you still see their spam if you are zoning when they spam the message. Thanks

Zoadanmg Aamdg for you " ;'12f VV VV VV d0t WE TAKE YOUR $! for your non stop 12 line spams, still showing up while zoning.
#25 Sep 23 2013 at 8:40 AM Rating: Excellent
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KojiroSoma wrote:
I think i found it.

They are infact RMT. Spamming their advertisements.

The trick is, you cant blacklist someone when they're in their innroom, since you will then get the message "Cannot locate a character with that name". Just happened to me, even Copy/Pasted the name since i thought i misspelled it at first.

It's basicly their counter to us blacklisting them...

Edited, Sep 23rd 2013 12:14pm by KojiroSoma


Well done! When I got that message I assumed they had logged off. Those must be the /tell bots for RMT, hiding so you can't B-list.

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Ok so I wasn't crazy lol, I kept checking my spelling when I went to add names to blacklist and kept getting "can't locate" message, but kept getting spam! Smiley: lol
Good Work! Ditto post above... EXTERMINATE!!!

Edited, Sep 23rd 2013 11:29am by jayfly
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kainsilv wrote:

All the cheating really frustrates me. All the effort and talent that goes into discovering and exploiting loopholes in a world where things don't really matter; if only all that talent and effort could be applied to solving real-world problems instead of creating them.


I want to start by saying i am not defending the practice of gold farmers..
However, to the people you see in game, they are often solving the real world problem of their poverty and famine. The companies that profit from this whole debacle often employ younger kids that have nowhere else to go and give them food and housing in exchange for working 12+ hr shifts farming gold and power leveling. I can't really blame them for taking op the offer and they themselves are being taken advantage of.

Unfortunately, I think it's nearly impossible to stop the individuals who actually run these gaming sweatshops.
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The companies that profit from this whole debacle often employ younger kids that have nowhere else to go and give them food and housing in exchange for working 12+ hr shifts farming gold and power leveling. I can't really blame them for taking op the offer and they themselves are being taken advantage of.


I don't know about the "kids with nowhere else to turn" angle (not saying that's not possible, of course), but I've seen a couple documentaries about people who RMT as summer jobs after high school, as well as articles about the leagues of Chinese prisoners forced by abusive prison guards to do the same.

It's something worth thinking about: by buying gil/gold/zenny/whatever you may not only be ruining an in-game economy, you may also be directly supporting corrupt officials' abuse of prisoners. Kind of like the Bodies exhibit, which buys the corpses of Chinese torture victims in order to pose them playing football for rich Americans (and gets in trouble for this year after year), one should always question where one's money goes, as well as the ethical and real-world implications of one's actions.


Edited, Sep 23rd 2013 12:24pm by KaneKitty
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purethulium wrote:
kainsilv wrote:

All the cheating really frustrates me. All the effort and talent that goes into discovering and exploiting loopholes in a world where things don't really matter; if only all that talent and effort could be applied to solving real-world problems instead of creating them.


I want to start by saying i am not defending the practice of gold farmers..
However, to the people you see in game, they are often solving the real world problem of their poverty and famine. The companies that profit from this whole debacle often employ younger kids that have nowhere else to go and give them food and housing in exchange for working 12+ hr shifts farming gold and power leveling. I can't really blame them for taking op the offer and they themselves are being taken advantage of.

Unfortunately, I think it's nearly impossible to stop the individuals who actually run these gaming sweatshops.


Yea, I saw a video about this very topic some years ago during my tour in FFXI. I agree that on one end RMT is pretty annoying, but in RL where there are kids working to just simply get a next meal is heartbreaking, and I would wager to say many people who were placed in their shoes would do the same. It's the individuals that capitalize and make profit off of this type of labor (and it's not all child labor either, some adults are working for these RMT masters) that have to be stopped. I would bet that The people that make it big off of this say to themselves that they are simply earning a wage, and that they don't see anything MORALLY wrong since they are not engaging in some deep stuff like *** trafficking (if they don't). They may even say they are doing "GOOD" since they are providing food/shelter. All in all, the people that make big profit are violating the ToS and RMT is not allowed and it should be stopped, and I pray all the people being exploited find rest and a means to make a living.

Edited, Sep 23rd 2013 12:28pm by jayfly
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purethulium wrote:
kainsilv wrote:

All the cheating really frustrates me. All the effort and talent that goes into discovering and exploiting loopholes in a world where things don't really matter; if only all that talent and effort could be applied to solving real-world problems instead of creating them.


I want to start by saying i am not defending the practice of gold farmers..
However, to the people you see in game, they are often solving the real world problem of their poverty and famine. The companies that profit from this whole debacle often employ younger kids that have nowhere else to go and give them food and housing in exchange for working 12+ hr shifts farming gold and power leveling. I can't really blame them for taking op the offer and they themselves are being taken advantage of.

Unfortunately, I think it's nearly impossible to stop the individuals who actually run these gaming sweatshops.


Here's a new perspective:
http://www.justd3.com/diablo-3-botters-and-gold-farmers-are-not-what-you-think.html
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I believe the best way to end RMT is to do away with in game money systems, and instead do a simple trade and barter system. Say you go to an NPC to get something and instead of asking for gil/gold, they ask you for something you have already in your bag.. or read what crafts you have and ask you to make them something to trade for the item you desire.

Same for Auction House transactions. You place your items within you retainer and ask for an item(s) you are needing.
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I believe the best way to end RMT is to do away with in game money systems, and instead do a simple trade and barter system. Say you go to an NPC to get something and instead of asking for gil/gold, they ask you for something you have already in your bag.. or read what crafts you have and ask you to make them something to trade for the item you desire.

Same for Auction House transactions. You place your items within you retainer and ask for an item(s) you are needing.


So basically, you're in favor of throwing the baby out with the bathwater? O.o

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Magilicotti wrote:
I believe the best way to end RMT is to do away with in game money systems, and instead do a simple trade and barter system. Say you go to an NPC to get something and instead of asking for gil/gold, they ask you for something you have already in your bag.. or read what crafts you have and ask you to make them something to trade for the item you desire.

Same for Auction House transactions. You place your items within you retainer and ask for an item(s) you are needing.

Some item will become currency instead of gold/gil/whatever, and the RMT would just sell that item. Like Stones of Jordan early in Diablo 2, and then high end runes later on.
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They have gotten this solution partially right.

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As an addition to the above exploit of using the inn to not get blacklisted - I found a bot yesterday that was position hacking whilst spamming - same result I could not blacklist.
I did report them and luckily they weren't there today.
So it seems SE is paying some attention to this.
I also found about a third of my blacklist had been deleted.
However, I was very sad to see a real chr who had a FC etc had been turned into a bot!
Please be careful and don't even attempt to look at their sites.
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