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#1 Sep 22 2013 at 5:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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Or something. My friend made a video of someone he found literally teleporting between mining nodes:

http://www.twitch.tv/corion82/c/2975610

Spread the word. Show it around and get it out as quick as possible so SE can deal with it before more people do it and ruin economies.

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http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/3595591/

Edited, Sep 22nd 2013 4:03pm by Quor
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#2 Sep 22 2013 at 5:08 PM Rating: Excellent
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Seen (and reported) a fair number of these myself in-game. Really discouraging while gathering yourself. :\

Try posting this on the official forums, too: there's more chance SE will see it quickly. And, um, hopefully do something about it.
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#4 Sep 22 2013 at 5:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yes, I have heard of this one as well. I've also seen one with mining nodes where the bots appear to be mining them from beneath the earth like underground moles. I know that Yoshi-P stated that they have been going at RMT, but they really need to hit the bots hard. I still don't feel that GM's have a presence in Eorzea. This game is too good for them to not improve in this area....just another aspect of customer service, which is clearly the Achilles heel of SE
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Yes, I have heard of this one as well. I've also seen one with mining nodes where the bots appear to be mining them from beneath the earth like underground moles. I know that Yoshi-P stated that they have been going at RMT, but they really need to hit the bots hard. I still don't feel that GM's have a presence in Eorzea. This game is too good for them to not improve in this area....just another aspect of customer service, which is clearly the Achilles heel of SE


No there are GMs. They just don't show up until you **** them off. GM's choose when to appear, or does nobody remember the youtube video of Xzhibit from FF XI spamming JAPAN ONRY in Jueno. Which then forced a GM's hand.
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I am sure there are GM's, but what I am saying is that currently the weight of their presence seemingly has yet to be truly felt. If I compare the current state of FFXIV to other MMO's I have been actively playing over the past 10+ years, the FFXIV community is not yet a point where they are on their toes behaviorally. SE has directly stated that they need to seriously expand their staff to support this game, and from direct experience with customer service, this is an effort that continues. I think an more intuitive in game reporting system will go a long way.
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DrCapricious wrote:
I am sure there are GM's, but what I am saying is that currently the weight of their presence seemingly has yet to be truly felt. If I compare the current state of FFXIV to other MMO's I have been actively playing over the past 10+ years, the FFXIV community is not yet a point where they are on their toes behaviorally. SE has directly stated that they need to seriously expand their staff to support this game, and from direct experience with customer service, this is an effort that continues. I think an more intuitive in game reporting system will go a long way.

I have to agree with this. I have noticed bots pos hacking especially whilst mining.
But the report system makes it less than worth my time to go to the trouble of reporting them.
I.E. I can't target them and report! I have write down their names first.
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#8 Sep 22 2013 at 5:48 PM Rating: Good
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Just think, this is only the lazy/super impatient people.

For every idiot making it stupid obvious they are botting there are 100x as many doing it so you could never tell :(
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As a tip to make reporting easier, examine them first; their character name will be at the top of the window. Then, even if they warp away, you can still open up a window to report them because their name will be right there for you. If that makes sense.
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I've always seen the underground/teleporting hack for farming diremites too. He would pop up where they spawn then disappear again. Most of the time I got the jump on him and watched him kill my tags.
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I've seen two warp hacking mining bots in Central Thanalan for the last week. They're mining shards and selling them on the market. Every time I got out there to mine, I report them. It's discouraging that I've reported the same players at least 4 days now.
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As a tip to make reporting easier, examine them first; their character name will be at the top of the window. Then, even if they warp away, you can still open up a window to report them because their name will be right there for you. If that makes sense.

Alternatively, simply type "/echo <t>" while having them targeted.

I've seen a few, but the last couple gathering sessions I've had seem to be only legit players, but given how the ones I did see were all naked, I doubt endlessly mining level 30+ nodes is terribly time efficient even if automated. I can definitely see why the temptation is there, however. I'd rather the individual mining process take a bit longer than a simple click, but instead get you'd get more than 1 yield. I've started seeing nodes with +1 yield bonuses, sure, but 1 in 4 doesn't really expedite the mining process. I'm also running out of wind shards from my crafting, so the plan is either to farm those directly or sell other things to buy a restock.
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I've seen two warp hacking mining bots in Central Thanalan for the last week. They're mining shards and selling them on the market. Every time I got out there to mine, I report them. It's discouraging that I've reported the same players at least 4 days now.


They have to catch them actually doing it, reporting only alerts that they might do it if watched for 10 mins. If they don't do it while the GM is watching them for a few minutes they don't get caught and the busier the gms are the less chance they will bother watching them at all.
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There are bots farming fleece on Gilgamesh. It has me worried since I'm approaching the need for woolen thread on my Weaver. The prices for it on the AH are just stupid.
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I have seen mining bots already. they would mine a spot, well, i could hear them but i couldn't see them. and finally after moving my camera distance and angle, i could see their name inside the rock formation but for only a few seconds, it would then completely disappear and i would find it again at another site.

EDIT: I always take the time to report these things. I am not sure if it helps but i will not sit by and let people get away with actions such as these.

Edited, Sep 23rd 2013 11:43am by RyanSquires
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Saw 4 of them together today. Reported them, actually distracted one with my Minion which she ended up trying to mine for an hour while i did some crafting there... But never saw a GM show up or do anything about it really...
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#17 Sep 23 2013 at 10:24 AM Rating: Good
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Or something. My friend made a video of someone he found literally teleporting between mining nodes:

http://www.twitch.tv/corion82/c/2975610

Spread the word. Show it around and get it out as quick as possible so SE can deal with it before more people do it and ruin economies.

Here's the character in question:

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/3595591/

Edited, Sep 22nd 2013 4:03pm by Quor


Holy crap thats really bad! I've never seen it myself, but that video proof is excellent. This crap is probably why I see ungodly amounts of crystals being offered up for sale by the same person (liekly then they are using those funds to profit with gilselling). Bleh and ughhh Smiley: glare
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Reported the same guy 7 times in a 2 weeks period, logged in today, saw him mining + teleporting around. actually been reporting at least 6 different botters, and have been checking to see if they are still around, guess what? they STILL ARE. Can't wait for them to ruin the economy on my server /sarcasm

Hopefully it wont turn out as bad as wow, its one of the reason I left the game >_>

Edited, Sep 23rd 2013 12:48pm by abesut
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I've seen two warp hacking mining bots in Central Thanalan for the last week. They're mining shards and selling them on the market. Every time I got out there to mine, I report them. It's discouraging that I've reported the same players at least 4 days now.

They have to catch them actually doing it, reporting only alerts that they might do it if watched for 10 mins. If they don't do it while the GM is watching them for a few minutes they don't get caught and the busier the gms are the less chance they will bother watching them at all.

Those bots are out there every single time I got out there to mine. I wouldn't be surprised if they are out there 24/7. If a GM takes the time to go out there, they shouldn't have any problems catching them in the act. I find it discouraging that the GMs aren't making the time to check out the reports I send in. I'm basically wasting my time reporting cheats if the GMs don't have the time and can't make the time to investigate.
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A ton of things are going unreported because people think nothing will be done, which apparently is truth.
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One of my most precious screenshots in FFXI was me convincing a GM to pat me on the head. Smiley: lol

As someone who worked as a GM in a virtual world, they have a lot of tools at their disposal that don't necessarily require them to be present. We didn't have any game aspects so 99% of our crap was interpersonal disputes or harassment. I did most of my work via /tells. I ended up handing down more than few 24 hour mutes to people for being jerks. (I also would act as an intermediary between people for large cash sales and exchanges, which is something no GM in XI would ever do. Things were different back in 1999...)

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Even though gathering points are slightly randomized in location, I'm a bit befuddled on why they didn't calculate distances between nodes and set the system to flag you if you interact with them in a time too quick to realistically traverse that span via sprinting. And even if the hackers were keen on that and delaying their teleporting to that dynamic, it'd slow their resource production exponentially.

But yeah, it's still dumb this even possible or that the same characters are running around days after a report.
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I haven't seen this yet. But then again, the nodes that appear for me, seem to send me in some kind of loop, while everyone else goes to nodes all over the place.
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Some batches are more loop-friendly than others, yeah. Occasionally you'll come across one where an aggro mob camps one point where you're literally just better off running a 3-point circuit instead of 4 due to stealth slowing you down or aggro risk. As well, how the terrain is laid out might make it better to run clockwise since you could just jump off a cliff to the next point instead of walking around it if going in reverse.
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To be honest, I kind of feel like a bot myself when gathering legitimately. Maybe SE should consider making gathering classes slightly more than "click node. click item. turn 90º. walk five steps. click node. click item. turn 90º..." and so on.

Mix the nodes up? Have certain items that you don't want to gather appear in the list? More severe gear checks for good yields? I'm not sure, but I can see how easily such things can be relegated to a simple bot script.
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Gathering in its current incarnation is pretty much bot fodder, yes. It's a bit more involved than other MMOs, yeah, but at the same time, it's just layering tedium upon tedium.

I don't know how 1.0 gathering was, but I'm thinking instead of gathering 4 mats from a single point in 10-15 seconds, the system instead encourages some kind of gameplay interaction that'll keep you at a node for a minute, but instead yield multiple times more the output. Not so much running involved. It'd introduce an element of player thought/skill to ideally improve yields. And in a perfect setting, make it harder to bot. For the sake of diversity, I wouldn't really mirror it to crafting, but I'm not sure how well some would receive a variant of Hot and Cold.
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1.0 had a more involved minigame. For example, in botany you "aimed" your axe along an axis before swinging.

Great in concept, horrible in execution. The switch to just straight up percentages is a welcome one.
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How about we don't ask them to pull out the nerf bat. Ya know, they can combat bots without slapping inside-the-park home runs and subsequently ******** over legitimate players.
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I found someone doing this, marked em and recorded them, uploading it to youtube now.
Also, where should i post this also to increase getting SE's attention on this?

LINK:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CA7CT5oL_BY

And another one in the same zone. Seriously, SE needs to get a handle on this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJ9n3MqJt2w

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1.0 had a more involved minigame. For example, in botany you "aimed" your axe along an axis before swinging.

Great in concept, horrible in execution. The switch to just straight up percentages is a welcome one.


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I'm thinking there could be other options between "Bad Minigame" and "Little Conner's First Script Circumvents It."
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Reported the same guy 7 times in a 2 weeks period, logged in today, saw him mining + teleporting around. actually been reporting at least 6 different botters, and have been checking to see if they are still around, guess what? they STILL ARE. Can't wait for them to ruin the economy on my server /sarcasm

Hopefully it wont turn out as bad as wow, its one of the reason I left the game >_>

Edited, Sep 23rd 2013 12:48pm by abesut


SQEnix bans them all in one go, and collects data for a while, that way they can link the seller accounts with the actual bot accounts, as you can guess the farmers go through great lengths to hide the gil they make. I just wish they did gil reversals, no one would buy if the gil they got was confiscated after the seller was banned, they need negative gil too, ***** those buyers.
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Saw a guy today teleport hacking that I thought looked familiar. Then I remembered, I reported him during launch week or at worst the week after.
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I did fishing in ffxi and rather enjoyed the interaction i had to do to get the fish/sea monster out of water. Having the ibisu fishing rod certainly made things much easier but you still had to do the minigame to get the fish/monster out of water. I fished for the map to spawn the bcnm to get ahold of the two mercurial weapons that were level 50. People bought them simply for the fast skill ups you got while bashing boyahda tree crabs with them.

Alternatively I leveled cooking and sushi handling while leveling fishing. I made a tidy profit off sushi's this way :)

I haven't tried the fishing in ffxiv yet. Would be interesting to see if they have something similar to break the tedium of fishing over longer periods.
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I'll tell you this: I saw someone bot-mining not two hours ago, and when someone asked how the person could move to the nodes so fast while stealth was on, someone replied "you can sprint while in stealth", and passed it off as being "normal". Smiley: disappointed

Truth is, outside of people not exactly knowing how to report someone, there are those who don't even believe that there are exploits going on in the first place. And indeed, education is the best defense and deterrent, but with a lot of misinformation and nonchalant behavior goin' around, it's going to be a lot more difficult to cull the problem before it becomes too much of plague...
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While I could understand them working on a fix behind the scenes, not actually squishing the violators now is sheer and utter laziness on their part. You don't need any kind of fancy program to confirm this **** is going on. Just go to the mining points and watch them zip about with reckless abandon. All it would take is seriously one intern to just visit each cluster for a few moments and watch. Then ban the ************** Tracing the flow of goods/gil is inconsequential to this process, as all trading should already be logged (ESPECIALLY GIL). And naturally, if the RMT aren't getting products to sell, they can't make gil from them, anyway.

Also tempted to lump summoners with pets auto-attacking mobs into this camp of cheese. While a "legit" mechanic, I've seen some just standing in generally safe camps, presumably with macros set up to act only on their pet's target as it engages things as they spawn. AFK and come back to free loot. SE should've learned from this in XI when people were AFKing at chigoes and coming back to gobs of geodes, seals, blood, and even some EXP.
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I'll tell you this: I saw someone bot-mining not two hours ago, and when someone asked how the person could move to the nodes so fast while stealth was on, someone replied "you can sprint while in stealth", and passed it off as being "normal". Smiley: disappointed

Truth is, outside of people not exactly knowing how to report someone, there are those who don't even believe that there are exploits going on in the first place. And indeed, education is the best defense and deterrent, but with a lot of misinformation and nonchalant behavior goin' around, it's going to be a lot more difficult to cull the problem before it becomes too much of plague...


^This as well. Reporting something is quite a process and is itself a kind of deterrent to keep us as the player base only using this feature when we've had enough or absolutely reached the limitations of our patience.

Reporting these bits does do something though. The dev teams are accumulating said evidence to do a server wide sweep all at one time. That's their MO. Gather the intel to the point that its incontrovertible and -then- move.
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Reporting these bits does do something though. The dev teams are accumulating said evidence to do a server wide sweep all at one time. That's their MO. Gather the intel to the point that its incontrovertible and -then- move.



Well then, i'm glad my recording and reporting are worth something after all. They need to do a hard sweep, 2 of the bot miners i've recorded and reported are still doing it. If these are indeed hacked accounts, i hope they get them back, but until the true owner of the accounts can get control again, the accounts need to be locked down. I only say this because all they are going to do is move all the gathered mats from the hacked account to another one.
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I finally witnessed it myself but it wasn't a mining point(don't have it leveled). It was a vegetation point in central shroud. XD

Side note, rather SE will take action or not is up to them, but I just reported an army of bots/RMT chars that I spotted by the Delivery moogle in the Ruby Road Exchange in Ul'dah. There were so many that it appeared as if they were duping new chars.
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