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#52 Sep 27 2013 at 7:58 AM Rating: Good
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This is my first FF experience and I find the combat mechanics/skill system extremely basic and boring.

It's like they wanted something "bulletproof" so adopted a 10+ year old system or they wanted something that was easily mastered by children.


The single player games use a variety of different battle systems. Final Fantasy pretty much invented the Active Time Based system now widely used in other RPG games. They've gone experimental, with the turn based chess game of Tactics and Conditional Turn Based in Final Fantasy X (probably the slowest pace of any FF battle, but allowing for a lot more deep thought and strategy in every little battle, even against the trash mobs.)

You'd probably have hated Final Fantasy XI though. Auto-attack as your base damage and most of your job abilities on timers of 1 minute, 3 minutes, 5 minutes, or 10 minutes. Tactical Points went to a max of 300 but at 100 you could execute a special attack. Spell cooldowns ranged from 5-10 seconds for low level spells up to a friggin minute or more for high level spells. Half the battle was waiting until the time was juuuuuuust right to do something.

For those of us coming from FFXI, the combat in XIV is kind of hectic and crazy in comparison.



That is totally true, the combat system in FFXI had to be complex because 90% of the time you stood in exactly the same place and decided which of your 200 attacks to use. A combat system that complex combined with all the running and dodging would destroy this game at endgame. The first 50 levels are tutorial to teach you how to play your character. I understand where this can get boring, but hit amdapoor keep and the demon wall and you will take back your words. FFXIV endgame is more like a combination of Phantasy Star Online and FFXI, where you still have the cooldowns and combat like FFXI, but you are running all over the place and dodging constantly like in Phantasy Star Online. But in FFXIV it is even less forgiving. Even at capped level, with the best armor, you can still get one shotted.


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#53 Sep 27 2013 at 8:00 AM Rating: Excellent
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To take that one step further, I also love how the crafting mats are automatically pulled from storage and so there is no need to run around with a ton of random crafting mats in your inventory. They do limit you to crafting at specific stations scattered throughout the world, but I prefer their system hands-down to that of FFXIV.

In my limited XIV crafting experience, I seem to always forget one crucial mat or I have grabbed the wrong amount. At that point I either have to run back to my retainer or I just buy the item from an NPC/market board - depends on how lazy I'm feeling at that particular moment I would love to be able to take that part of crafting out of the equation.


Be careful what you wish for.

Guild Wars 2 was polished, but also, very easy and simple-minded. Call me crazy, but I actually appreciate the fact that in FFXIV, you have to make sure you're actually in possession of crafting materials in order to use them. I mean... If I'm at work, but my ps3 is at home, then how should I be able to play my ps3 without going home?

Sure, FFXIV may not be as convenient, but making sure you've got everything you need for a nice, long crafting bonanza is just one more thing you have to think about while playing. It's little things like that (mini time sinks,if you will) that can help you feel more connected to the game world without really wasting any of your time.

GW2 went too far the other direction... you didn't have to actually HAVE your materials... you didn't have to go back to quest NPCs for your rewards (they were just instantly mailed to you), you didn't have to talk to NPCs to accept quests, etc. These are all things that eventually hurt GW2 in the long run, not helped it.
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#54 Sep 27 2013 at 8:17 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'd disagree strongly with that, but I'd rather not clog things up with GW2 issues here. Abridged version would basically be zero endgame PvE content that isn't shackled to dungeon spamming.
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I'd disagree strongly with that, but I'd rather not clog things up with GW2 issues here. Abridged version would basically be zero endgame PvE content that isn't shackled to dungeon spamming.

I'm guessing you meant that you want endgame content that's not in dungeons, or at least not 4/8/* dungeons? Your comment reads like you want all of endgame "shackled" to dungeons. ;P

I could see solo dungeons, not "Hero" mode versions of currently deployed ones, but new ones that progress a story as a good endgame "dungeon". But they'd have to create lots of them or create them in a way that repeating them doesn't equate to what you'd consider "spammy". Sadly, endgame at launch of any game is going to be some sort of hamster wheel--even if it's PvP, that's just a different grind, maybe not for gear; even for glory you're doing the same **** thing over and over.
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#56 Sep 27 2013 at 9:21 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'd disagree strongly with that, but I'd rather not clog things up with GW2 issues here. Abridged version would basically be zero endgame PvE content that isn't shackled to dungeon spamming.


Lack of endgame was definitely an issue, but not THE issue. GW2 failed to connect with gamers for several reasons... but, like you said, the point of this thread isn't to analyze every problem with GW2. Abridged version: 1) No role diversity between jobs, 2) Game way too easy/mindless, 3) Dungeons were a mess, 4) No endgame.

Now, back to FFXIV.

If you read the positive reviews about FFXIV (and there are many), a common thread is that FFXIV has almost an old-school feel despite being new... and, according to reviewers, this is a good thing! In fact, this has been one of the biggest reasons of praise for ARR. Here are some of the features of FFXIV which give the game that awesome, nostalgic flavor:

- Having to plan our travel (we can't teleport everywhere without blowing through our gil, and even then, telepoints are nicely scattered)
- Having to be in possession of crafting items in order to use them
- Having to select the item to give to the quest NPC
- Having to talk to NPCs to get quests
- Having to talk to NPCs to end quests
- Cutscenes for quests and missions
- Not everything is voice acted
- Our characters aren't made out to be testosterone-driven heroic cliches.
- etc.

Anyway, for whatever reason, ARR didn't go in the direction of other modern MMOs... and, funny enough, the game has earned lots of praise for that. Why ruin a good thing by putting parts of the game on autopilot?

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#57 Sep 27 2013 at 10:26 AM Rating: Decent
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I never got why people would want to not have to see a quest giver to start or finish a quest.
#58 Sep 27 2013 at 11:30 AM Rating: Decent
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YUP. Combat complexity comes from three things: the enemy's mechanics, and the mechanics of the group, and individual rotations. Currently we have 1 and 3, but the only group mechanic is the super simple limit break. THF SA/TA + skillchain and magic burst would make things so much more interesting.
#59 Sep 27 2013 at 11:43 AM Rating: Decent
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SE needs to destroy the MMO Plague known as "Speed Runs" before it completely poisons the community and destroys the game.

Unrewarding Skippable Trash + Shiny Token at the End = Toxic fractured jerk off community.

I first encountered this terrible "speed run" disease while playing GW2 and it stemmed from the EXACT same root causes listed above.

Why SE would adopt the terrible GW2 system is beyond me, they must like running past all the content they created.
#60 Sep 27 2013 at 12:08 PM Rating: Excellent
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SE needs to destroy the MMO Plague known as "Speed Runs" before it completely poisons the community and destroys the game.

Unrewarding Skippable Trash + Shiny Token at the End = Toxic fractured jerk off community.

I first encountered this terrible "speed run" disease while playing GW2 and it stemmed from the EXACT same root causes listed above.

Why SE would adopt the terrible GW2 system is beyond me, they must like running past all the content they created.


Looks like you didn't notice that they patched AK specifically because they are against speed runs. Expect to see more patches. I haven't gotten to end game so I can't speak for all of the dungeons, but the ones I have been in have random chests to loot that encourage you to explore the entire dungeon without making it mandatory. That's something most MMOs don't do.
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#61 Sep 27 2013 at 12:09 PM Rating: Decent
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Yes I'd like to see Thief, Ninja, Red Mage, Dark Knight, Samurai, Blue Mage, Beastmaster, etc... BUT I realize that we have enough DDs as it is right now and would need more Tanks, Healers and Support first. But I would like to see a DD with BIG burst damage numbers.

A high level "hub"; Ishgard.

Big summons.

Ways to fill up the limit gauge faster (I still don't know what fills it up), and or skillchains or combos.

I think things like the Promys in FFXI or even Dynamis-like events that are in the cities themselves would be cool. Alternate universe kind of stuff.

Locked chests in the world or in the Beastman/High level areas.

Golden Saucer/other mini-games.

This may be dangerous, but an automated/configurable retainer system that would autobuy and sell at certain price points.

More control over Chocobo, or other eventual companions with "Gambits" from FFXII.

A cross server Friends List...but I'm on the fence about grouping randomly which could take away from the DF population.

Kinda crazy but official SE "bots" to run dungeons with or to fill out a party. A programmable companion with Gambits would be ideal but due to some of the mechanics it would probably be impossible to implement. Not to mention the balance issues.

I also would like the game to go in a more "tech" direction. I think that would be awesome to travel to the moon in a Garlean spaceship. Heck, Cid's airship is called the Enterprise.

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So yeah some of that stuff is unrealistic, I know, but other things, I think would be really cool.
#62 Sep 27 2013 at 12:20 PM Rating: Decent
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KingoGoodbomber wrote:
SE needs to destroy the MMO Plague known as "Speed Runs" before it completely poisons the community and destroys the game.

Unrewarding Skippable Trash + Shiny Token at the End = Toxic fractured jerk off community.

I first encountered this terrible "speed run" disease while playing GW2 and it stemmed from the EXACT same root causes listed above.

Why SE would adopt the terrible GW2 system is beyond me, they must like running past all the content they created.


Looks like you didn't notice that they patched AK specifically because they are against speed runs. Expect to see more patches. I haven't gotten to end game so I can't speak for all of the dungeons, but the ones I have been in have random chests to loot that encourage you to explore the entire dungeon without making it mandatory. That's something most MMOs don't do.

Yeah. Part of me wonders how much "speed running" is a cultural thing, does the JPN community have such a toxic attitude when it comes speed runs? It seriously ruined GW2 for me and I don't want it to ruin FFXIV because I like this game much more than GW2 (I missed the trinity and like all the fan service).

I am glad they are discouraging it and hopefully they get rid of it. Giving an incentive to kill trash would go a long way. Even Molten Core trash dropped BoE epics.

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#63 Sep 27 2013 at 12:34 PM Rating: Good
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Kierk wrote:

Golden Saucer/other mini-games.

This may be dangerous, but an automated/configurable retainer system that would autobuy and sell at certain price points.


I really wish I could play more =(
Isn't there a casino across from the Immortal Flames place in Ul'Dah?
I know they are adding functionality to retainers, so you may get part of that. They always wanted retainers to have levels with perks, btu I don't know if that will ever enter ARR. However, they have mentioned a few times that the app will be able to control retainer functions and I think they will have to add functionality to the retainer system itself to make that interesting.
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I'd disagree strongly with that, but I'd rather not clog things up with GW2 issues here. Abridged version would basically be zero endgame PvE content that isn't shackled to dungeon spamming.

I'm guessing you meant that you want endgame content that's not in dungeons, or at least not 4/8/* dungeons? Your comment reads like you want all of endgame "shackled" to dungeons. ;P

I could see solo dungeons, not "Hero" mode versions of currently deployed ones, but new ones that progress a story as a good endgame "dungeon". But they'd have to create lots of them or create them in a way that repeating them doesn't equate to what you'd consider "spammy". Sadly, endgame at launch of any game is going to be some sort of hamster wheel--even if it's PvP, that's just a different grind, maybe not for gear; even for glory you're doing the same **** thing over and over.

The big thing I want to see an MMO do is offer equal progression outside the dungeon/raid sphere. Yes, I know the people who like that will ***** to high heavens about how they feel people don't deserve such progress or that people don't need that kind of gear growth for the open world, but in the end I just see it as a Game Over for those who can't commit reliably to the dungeon/raid scene and you seriously can't call vanity options, housing, or other little mini-games a substitute.

Solo dungeons are certainly an option, but I'd wiggle leves in here, too. Crafting should also be equally accessible without requiring dungeon/raid drops. GC seal equipment is also a method, it just needs higher tiers to pull that off. Repeatable (not daily/weekly) quests to work toward another possible currency wouldn't hurt. And of course new story content in general. So, while in theory the hardcore may be able to grind this out at a fair pace and bemoan there's nothing to do, they are not the target audience and they only have themselves to blame for playing beyond the norm. The only true concession I'd be willing to make here is letting dungeon/raid gear be prettier with all the glows and sparkles some yearn for, and while the alternative doesn't look bad, perhaps if on equal gear footing, they'll have a better chance to chase the shiny gear if they do get the chance. Right now, more people are inclined to not bother because time and connections simply aren't on their side.

To better perpetuate all this, I'd certainly love to see more dynamic zones fueled perhaps by FATE chains. Given the beastmen/primal influence, you can have them conquering hubs (even from each other) with the player objective to try and reclaim. Given enough build-up, you might even see Odin/Behemoth tier open-world primal fights with new tricks for the more hardcore to take on, too. Of course, if the players are holding the terrain, they'll have more access to those quests I alluded to, possibly bonus vendors, and perhaps even outright perks like lower teleport costs or increased mount speeds. Just get people out in the world doing stuff.
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#65 Sep 27 2013 at 3:03 PM Rating: Default
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Ways to fill up the limit gauge faster (I still don't know what fills it up), and or skillchains or combos.


(As per my previous posts) I can't agree more on this.

Kierk wrote:
I think things like the Promys in FFXI or even Dynamis-like events that are in the cities themselves would be cool. Alternate universe kind of stuff.


I agree that the theme was pretty cool, but what made dynamis interesting to me was how "dangerous" it felt, in terms of trash mobs. It seems like trash in MMOs nowadays is meant to be just a time filler. I only did dynamis a few times, but I remember it was a very on edge feeling each pull, taking things very carefully to avoid problems. Maybe this feeling of danger comes from the XP loss on death though. . .
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Now that I have started FFXIV, I am starting to mis FFXI again =(

Whould be nice if some of the FFXI stuff made it to FFXIV.
- Notorious monsters. Not in the way that the gear is so good that they are camped 24/7, but a nice challenge when you encouter one during leveling, with some exp bonus and a decent reward for your level.
- Boat rides. Loved them for fishing together with (notorious) monster spawns and pirates.
- Skill Chains, just to make the fightts more interesting.
- Red Mages, my favorite job from FFXI.

I always find mini games fun as well. Pet battles from WoW for example. And I think the diplomacy sphere from Vanguard whould fit nicely in FFXIV as well.

And to solve some annoyances.
- Right click in chat to ignore option.
- Inventory sort option.

I still have a lot to do so nowhere near bored, but already looking forward to what will come :)
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Now that I have started FFXIV, I am starting to mis FFXI again =(

Whould be nice if some of the FFXI stuff made it to FFXIV.
- Notorious monsters. Not in the way that the gear is so good that they are camped 24/7, but a nice challenge when you encouter one during leveling, with some exp bonus and a decent reward for your level.
- Boat rides. Loved them for fishing together with (notorious) monster spawns and pirates.
- Skill Chains, just to make the fightts more interesting.
- Red Mages, my favorite job from FFXI.

I always find mini games fun as well. Pet battles from WoW for example. And I think the diplomacy sphere from Vanguard whould fit nicely in FFXIV as well.

And to solve some annoyances.
- Right click in chat to ignore option.
- Inventory sort option.

I still have a lot to do so nowhere near bored, but already looking forward to what will come :)


NMs can occasionally pop during Levequests, and they do indeed grant an exp bonus to the leve.

I agree on open world notorious monsters though, even if all they did was grant an achievement for killing them.
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ISNM, ENM, BCNM, KSNM.....these were some of my absolute favorite things from FFXI. I absolutely love "gimmick" fights that require certain setups or have little tricks to them. I like how the community came up different configurations to run them (peacock charm bcnm with RDM, NINx2 anyway? I miss you!).

And the absolute easiest way to do this is already in the game: Levequests. It's so easy to use this system to choose a Leve, just like a specific BCNM and run it with a group of people. Even better, you can make it mimic the "your orb, your drop" setup through Levelinking. When the person initiates the leve, everyone going has a chance to levelink and spend one of their own allowances and this gives them a chance to roll on drops. Otherwise, BCNM Levequests only allow the person using an allowance the ability to roll "need" on all loot and everyone else gets "greed". Choose to levelink and you get placed in the "need" pool. Need and Greed would be based on only this restriction, no class restrictions so they would have to do a little tweaking but again, incentivizes people to spend allowances and help out.

Obviously the drops can't be too insane as some people would spend a whole day burning through all of their allowances but that's naturally checked by the allowance refill (you will eventually run out) and the very profitable use of leves for tradecraft triple turn ins.

Also, different areas could have different BCNM Levequests available, just like the current Battle and Tradecraft leves, thus incentivizing people to do the local levemete quests to open up leves for each area. That equals more exploring (plus it causes people to burn their leves, again, another natural check on the system getting out of hand). Sounds like win/win all over the place.
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ISNM, ENM, BCNM, KSNM.....these were some of my absolute favorite things from FFXI. I absolutely love "gimmick" fights that require certain setups or have little tricks to them. I like how the community came up different configurations to run them (peacock charm bcnm with RDM, NINx2 anyway? I miss you!).


I (and I'm sure a lot of people) disliked these type of fights because they exclude those that don't have the required jobs leveled. I want the game to be more inclusive than FFXI.
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My "Asian ***" be damned, I agree with this post. More junk in the trunk!
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i would like to see Notorious Monsters make a return. The drop rates would be to be something not TOO outrageous though. I'm looking at you mee degi the punisher.

I want to specify that i DON'T want to see the ones that spawn every 24 hours. Max 6 if anything so all time zones can have a shot. Along with the other obscure ways some NM's could spawn. (do we know yet how almighty apkallu spawns yet or is that still unknown?)

As of right now i have all jobs capped except for crafts, so i just sit in town all day and use the duty finder because theres nothing else for me to do in the world.
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Eh FFXIV's battle system wasn't hectic to me. In fact, it plays like SO4.

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I kind of like it.
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This is very wishful thinking, but I would really like a real materia system. Make the materia level up. Have some that give skills or modify skills. Like, reduce recast of Sentinal by 10s etc and it can level up. And let there be materia linking like increase bonus value by 20%. So if you have armor with a 2 slots that link and you the reduce recast by 10s on one slot and the increase bonus value by 20% slot, it would reduce it by 2s. Etc.
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One more thing, a way to toggle displaying names. Like if I hold shift it will display names. I like having all the names off and having them on feels all cluttered.
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One more thing, a way to toggle displaying names. Like if I hold shift it will display names. I like having all the names off and having them on feels all cluttered.


i have names turned on all the time, and i know holding either x or z (one of those, i forget) by default toggles most of the names off. maybe it works the other way around too, if you have names off by default it'll turn them on? check it out, it'll be in keybindings im sure :)

edit: just looked into it, i guess "x" is the "click filter", you can change the click filter settings under character config > control settings > target , unfortunately it looks like the only way this can be used is to toggle names OFF by holding x, i tried changing the settings to toggle names ON but it didn't work :\ THIS WOULD BE SUCH A COOL FEATURE



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Based on a friend's experience, I'd like to see alternative methods to gain experience points added. It would also be nice if they eased up on the level requirements for quests also.

I'm not subbed, but based on being around for a friend playing; her main gripe about the game is leveling. She was only really interested in PLD, but even with being that specialized she's gotta level several classes to the 30s for cross-class abilities. Doesn't seem like a tall order, but even following my advice she's having trouble.

Told her to take up marauder first so she'd get some experience tanking in groups since you have to finish the dungeons to advance the story and unlock all the necessary stuff for later. Don't take up any professions, don't spend money on teleports and only do normal quests and FATEs as well as killing anything within a reasonable level difference on the way. No sweat.

Her next class was conjurer. I told her to unlock the class and then do the starter quests for any professions she might want and even those she didn't. That was good for the first few levels and got her enough to get started, but after the level 10 class quest the gaps came much sooner than they did on her first class. I told her to go ahead and unlock the guildleves at camps as well as doing guildhests to bridge gaps. She's done OK with that, but still has pretty large gaps.

She's excited about the game and the jobs, but put off by the fact that it will always come down to the exact same leveling path every time after the first. She also pointed out that you can accept quests before you can actually turn them in. Doesn't really make sense to her(or myself either) that you can accept a level 25 quest at level 23 and complete the quest, yet you can't turn it in until you hit 25 and when you do all you get is the same reward despite the increased difficulty. FATEs are always available but unless you have AoE to spam, your contribution is almost always lower than it could/should be.

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Need more quests, should allow quests to be turned in a few levels early and FATE frequency and contribution need to be adjusted.



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Need more quests, should allow quests to be turned in a few levels early and FATE frequency and contribution need to be adjusted.


I don't like to gripe about these things, but this weekend, I finally got to Cancer the crab at the beginning of the fight for a chance at the achievement. I went as a summoner, but because the tank died early in the fight, I popped out Titan on Surecast speed-dial almost right away and tanked Cancer for pretty much 95% of the fight, keeping Titan alive dropping DoTs and using a Bane-spread Miasma to get away from the adds trying to murder me. The fight was considerably long since I'm PST hours and it was getting kind of late, so there weren't a lot of helpers around.

So, once the fight ended I figured for sure, there's no way I could not possibly deserve the gold medal. I tanked. I DPSed. I healed. I crowd controlled. But lo and behold when the fight ended, all I got was a silver. But even more infuriating? At least 3 other people got gold because their achievement was announced in the chat log! Argh! What does it take for a summoner to get gold? Smiley: glare
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What does it take for a summoner to get gold? Smiley: glare

Job change? Seriously... for anyone who played FFXI in the past few years, it reminds me of WoE. Though I registered with my endgame LS as a COR, I was forced to come as a highly undergeared BLM because people took issue with me getting all the spoils.

For the FATEs that aren't a single large mob, all it takes is someone standing where mobs spawn and spamming AoE to tag them. I don't really care that FATEs are incredibly boring(at least, most of them are when leveling), but if you're inside the marked area and using abilities then you should get a guaranteed amount.

She just did the same FATE twice. First completion she got something like 1100 and the next one she did in a group... 11k Smiley: disappointed
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Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
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I really wish people would stop wishing this game was more like FFXI. It doesnt need to be, trust me.

Who the **** wants content that excludes specific jobs or NMs on a multiple hour spawn timer that can be easily claimed by a bot every time it pops? Are you masochistic or something? Do you hate fun?
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Are you masochistic or something? Do you hate fun?


You realize you're talking to FFXI players, don't you? Just wanna make sure you understand that your questions are kinda redundant. Smiley: lol
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30 bucks is almost free

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Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
#82 Sep 29 2013 at 9:36 PM Rating: Good
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I'd disagree strongly with that, but I'd rather not clog things up with GW2 issues here. Abridged version would basically be zero endgame PvE content that isn't shackled to dungeon spamming.

I'm guessing you meant that you want endgame content that's not in dungeons, or at least not 4/8/* dungeons? Your comment reads like you want all of endgame "shackled" to dungeons. ;P

I could see solo dungeons, not "Hero" mode versions of currently deployed ones, but new ones that progress a story as a good endgame "dungeon". But they'd have to create lots of them or create them in a way that repeating them doesn't equate to what you'd consider "spammy". Sadly, endgame at launch of any game is going to be some sort of hamster wheel--even if it's PvP, that's just a different grind, maybe not for gear; even for glory you're doing the same **** thing over and over.

The big thing I want to see an MMO do is offer equal progression outside the dungeon/raid sphere. Yes, I know the people who like that will ***** to high heavens about how they feel people don't deserve such progress or that people don't need that kind of gear growth for the open world, but in the end I just see it as a Game Over for those who can't commit reliably to the dungeon/raid scene and you seriously can't call vanity options, housing, or other little mini-games a substitute.

Solo dungeons are certainly an option, but I'd wiggle leves in here, too. Crafting should also be equally accessible without requiring dungeon/raid drops. GC seal equipment is also a method, it just needs higher tiers to pull that off. Repeatable (not daily/weekly) quests to work toward another possible currency wouldn't hurt. And of course new story content in general. So, while in theory the hardcore may be able to grind this out at a fair pace and bemoan there's nothing to do, they are not the target audience and they only have themselves to blame for playing beyond the norm. The only true concession I'd be willing to make here is letting dungeon/raid gear be prettier with all the glows and sparkles some yearn for, and while the alternative doesn't look bad, perhaps if on equal gear footing, they'll have a better chance to chase the shiny gear if they do get the chance. Right now, more people are inclined to not bother because time and connections simply aren't on their side.

To better perpetuate all this, I'd certainly love to see more dynamic zones fueled perhaps by FATE chains. Given the beastmen/primal influence, you can have them conquering hubs (even from each other) with the player objective to try and reclaim. Given enough build-up, you might even see Odin/Behemoth tier open-world primal fights with new tricks for the more hardcore to take on, too. Of course, if the players are holding the terrain, they'll have more access to those quests I alluded to, possibly bonus vendors, and perhaps even outright perks like lower teleport costs or increased mount speeds. Just get people out in the world doing stuff.


^ More of this.

I would love to see more traditional leveling options in the open world. Open-world party level sync would be a good start, the FATE sync's are nice but running from place to place for them and skipping everything else isn't my cup of tea.

I also agree the "game begins at end-game" philosophy worries me. For everyone that enjoys character development and the change in play that can occur (Red Mage before & after Refresh in XI for example) this basically means the game ends at end-game. Hopefully the team at SE keeps this in mind as they raise cap and don't make level 50-60 more 1-week long EZ mode FATE spamming. Additionally, I would like to see more depth added into crafting & gathering classes, and new spawn points/drops added to existing areas occasionally to keep the older areas fresh.

Finally, where dungeons are concerned, please SE remove party restrictions. I already have DF people showing up in their underwear with a weapon and then proceeding to steal all the hate when I'm tanking. For my 2 friends we pressed on and completed the run although it was somewhat painful at times. If I can complete a dungeon with 2 friends and this kind of 4th player behavior I'm pretty sure the 3 of us can clear the content ourselves. Let us decide how many people we are taking in (at or below the maximum allowed) and what jobs we want to use. ****, if we want to try 3 DD jobs let us give it a try.
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bigger butts

the ladies, they have no butts

"wheres the beef" - president barack obama after rolling a female miqo'te


LOL, though this does remind me, I'll add a request straight from my wife (I swear) ... "Better mage clothes that show more skin" at least in some of the earlier levels.

I can understand how SE wants to avoid being like some MMO's that have gone overboard with cleavage and generally skimpy female outfits. But the main goal here should be choice. Most other MMO's don't provide church-lady armor. In FFXIV ARR that's pretty much all you get, at least up to the lvl 30-ish point my wife is at.
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FilthMcNasty wrote:
reptiletim wrote:
Are you masochistic or something? Do you hate fun?


You realize you're talking to FFXI players, don't you? Just wanna make sure you understand that your questions are kinda redundant. Smiley: lol

In short, I agree with him, but I doubt anyone who knows me here would be surprised by that sentiment. I played XI for a long time. It had a **** of a lot of flaws. Accessibility of content was one of its primary offenders. When content, in turn, manifests as a limited resource like (H)NMs, it offers incentive for people to cheat and pretty much creates tiers of haves and have-nots when RL time is involved. As an example, I've yet to see the Behemoth FATE and only seen Odin twice. You could probably call these 24 hour NMs, give or take. Sure, there's nothing super associated with them other than an achievement for each, but you can bet plenty are OCD about filling out that screen.
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chillpickle wrote:
bigger butts

the ladies, they have no butts

"wheres the beef" - president barack obama after rolling a female miqo'te


LOL, though this does remind me, I'll add a request straight from my wife (I swear) ... "Better mage clothes that show more skin" at least in some of the earlier levels.

I can understand how SE wants to avoid being like some MMO's that have gone overboard with cleavage and generally skimpy female outfits. But the main goal here should be choice. Most other MMO's don't provide church-lady armor. In FFXIV ARR that's pretty much all you get, at least up to the lvl 30-ish point my wife is at.


My level 22 conjurer begs to differ.

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#87 Sep 30 2013 at 10:16 AM Rating: Decent
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My level 22 conjurer begs to differ.


Those biceps will haunt my dreams.

Back to topic. . . Skill chains and magic bursts. Best or bestest?
#88 Sep 30 2013 at 11:04 AM Rating: Decent
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I'd like to see the alternative levelling methods that are worth it. I'd like something like a party bonus outside of fates like if 4-8 people formed a party and went to zones ahead of their level and killed mobs the xp was worth it, just as an option (not even sure if it wouldn't already work) not something you have to do to level like in XI just another option for people who want it.

Another thing I think would be cool if when you finished a level range or even every few mobs in your hunting log an NM would pop for you in that mob class. Maybe dropping something in the level range with +1 stats or something. This would eliminate the timed spawn NM's but keep NM's in the game. If that made any sense
#89 Sep 30 2013 at 12:19 PM Rating: Decent
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TheAnf wrote:
I'd like something like a party bonus outside of fates like if 4-8 people formed a party and went to zones ahead of their level and killed mobs the xp was worth it, just as an option (not even sure if it wouldn't already work) not something you have to do to level like in XI just another option for people who want it.


Me too. So far I like the dungeons and some of the quests. It would be great to have a viable method of doing XP parties that isn't tied to dungeons. 4 DD and a healer doesn't work in dungeons, but could be a fun XP chain party.

I flat out refuse to fate grind.
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TheAnf wrote:
I'd like something like a party bonus outside of fates like if 4-8 people formed a party and went to zones ahead of their level and killed mobs the xp was worth it, just as an option (not even sure if it wouldn't already work) not something you have to do to level like in XI just another option for people who want it.


Me too. So far I like the dungeons and some of the quests. It would be great to have a viable method of doing XP parties that isn't tied to dungeons. 4 DD and a healer doesn't work in dungeons, but could be a fun XP chain party.

I flat out refuse to fate grind.



I've done parties in the open environment with friends (mostly during beta) and it's not great XP but it can be easy fun. Tried 9+ level mobs (lvl 30 mob, we were level 21) the other day with just 2 of us but had some trouble connecting, partly because I was using trash equipment. We could probably survive though if I had good gear so I may give that another go.

Biggest issue still comes down to level sync, which we don't currently have in the open areas. If you're not closely matched with your party mates the lower level player(s) get screwed on XP earned.

Oh, and @Catwho, the wife approves - she loves that outfit. Now I have to help her find it!
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