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#1 Sep 24 2013 at 11:04 PM Rating: Sub-Default
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from gameplay style to even terminology. I just thought of the fact that they specifically called the Crystal Tower a 24 man raid. even the players call it as such. Now tell me, in FFXI had SE or ANY of the players playing it EVER call ANY of the endgame events in that game (dynamis, limbus, salvage etc etc) a raid?
#2 Sep 24 2013 at 11:14 PM Rating: Excellent
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#4DuoMaxwellxx, Posted: Sep 24 2013 at 11:50 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Doesnt work on me. I mastered the oh so sacred art only known by a small few and mastered by even less than that. Called "ignoring people" You can sing that song that get son everybodies nerves directly in my ear for hours and the entire time I could act like youre not even there. :p
#5 Sep 25 2013 at 12:22 AM Rating: Excellent
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Uh...what would you have called it in FFXI? An alliance?

What did you expect?

#6 Sep 25 2013 at 12:48 AM Rating: Excellent
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Well.. Isn't it a raid?
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The only ways to stop a widely accepted neologism (in this case "Raid": an instanced event in an MMORPG that involves progressing though an area to obtain treasure that usually has a boss at the end that usually has rewards that are better than those that are obtained in the middle of the area) from being used in a piece of media that post dates the wide acceptance of said neologism is to not include anything that could fall under said definition (which would basically restrict SE to an HNM style system), to make the media only attractive to those who use the various terms that existed before the neologism came along (two problems, 1: said players are probably sticking to their WoW MMOs, 2: the terms used were usually named after the event in question) and lastly, they could try to make their own word, but the only thing harder than resisting a neologism is trying to usurp a neologism with an even newer term.

SImply put, there is a reason why we have "first person shooters" and "open world sandboxes" instead of "doom clones" and "GTA clones".
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#8 Sep 25 2013 at 3:08 AM Rating: Decent
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if this was XI, they would have given it a french sounding, frou frou-y name that nobody could ever pronounce.

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I don't know what you tend to accomplish with your threads, Duo. But they always seem to be unpopular. What you've focused on this time is simple terminology. The content remains the same, yet you decied because SE decided to use more "mainstream" terms, it's more or less unworthy of the FF online gaming franchise.
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#10 Sep 25 2013 at 3:16 AM Rating: Default
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They are trying to appeal to the WoW crowd, this ins't something new or surprising is it?

Most new mmos do the same, having said that of course it's never a good idea to try to build a player base off wow players.
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I miss when recast was called recast, instead of cooldowns.

Yeah the terminology in MMOs are diverting away from professionalism.
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#12 Sep 25 2013 at 4:14 AM Rating: Excellent
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They are trying to appeal to the WoW crowd, this ins't something new or surprising is it?


The WoW crowd. I think people are coming around to understand that this 'WoW crowd' isn't really a crowd of WoW players, but rather; players who can appreciate practical game mechanics and a clean, customizable interface.

@OP

This is no different than XI players calling it a 'character' or 'DD'. People use generally accepted terms to refer to something in a manner that most people familiar with MMO games will understand. Raid is one such term.
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DuoMaxwellxx wrote:
from gameplay style to even terminology. I just thought of the fact that they specifically called the Crystal Tower a 24 man raid. even the players call it as such. Now tell me, in FFXI had SE or ANY of the players playing it EVER call ANY of the endgame events in that game (dynamis, limbus, salvage etc etc) a raid?


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#14 Sep 25 2013 at 4:56 AM Rating: Decent
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Duo was into it before it was cool. Too bad "hipster cred" won't help your karma rating.
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Ya this mainstreaming is awful. They need to come up with a new term that is uniquely theirs.... I know... Let's call these large group events "Fiddle Faddles". "Come to my fiddle faddle!" people would /shout in the cities. New players would have no idea what that was... they'd say "Good sir, what is a fiddle faddle?" and those who are "in the know" would explain "Why let me tell you. A fiddle faddle is like a raid in any other game, but not, because then we'd be just like all those other games out there raiding and raiding instead of fiddle faddling, and who would want that common bunk in this most uncommon of games?"

But no, it's ok that they're calling them raids. Common frames of reference are not the devil.
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#16 Sep 25 2013 at 6:57 AM Rating: Good
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I'm not quite sure the OP has yet come to realize:

FFXI != FFXIV

Please good sir, understand they are not and never will be the same game!

FFXI is and was a great game, they've created another game of equal if not more enjoyable variety(at least in my opinion and certainly have played both). IF you want FFXI, last I checked the servers are still up.
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DuoMaxwellxx wrote:
from gameplay style to even terminology. I just thought of the fact that they specifically called the Crystal Tower a 24 man raid. even the players call it as such. Now tell me, in FFXI had SE or ANY of the players playing it EVER call ANY of the endgame events in that game (dynamis, limbus, salvage etc etc) a raid?


And they settled on 'DPS' as the official term for Damage Dealer. So you're right, they are trying to go mainstream. Do you want a cookie or something?
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Ya this mainstreaming is awful. They need to come up with a new term that is uniquely theirs.... I know... Let's call these large group events "Fiddle Faddles". "Come to my fiddle faddle!" people would /shout in the cities. New players would have no idea what that was... they'd say "Good sir, what is a fiddle faddle?" and those who are "in the know" would explain "Why let me tell you. A fiddle faddle is like a raid in any other game, but not, because then we'd be just like all those other games out there raiding and raiding instead of fiddle faddling, and who would want that common bunk in this most uncommon of games?"

But no, it's ok that they're calling them raids. Common frames of reference are not the devil.

My mom says if I keep fiddle faddling, I'll go blind.
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I called Dynamis night "raid night" in FFXI as early as seven years ago when discussing it with friends.

It was the easiest and fastest way to get the point across and it described Dynamis pretty closely.
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DuoMaxwellxx wrote:
from gameplay style to even terminology. I just thought of the fact that they specifically called the Crystal Tower a 24 man raid. even the players call it as such. Now tell me, in FFXI had SE or ANY of the players playing it EVER call ANY of the endgame events in that game (dynamis, limbus, salvage etc etc) a raid?


took you this long to notice? and you felt the need to make a whole useless thread about it? admins can you get rid of this waste of forum space?
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Furiousnixon wrote:
Ya this mainstreaming is awful. They need to come up with a new term that is uniquely theirs.... I know... Let's call these large group events "Fiddle Faddles". "Come to my fiddle faddle!" people would /shout in the cities. New players would have no idea what that was... they'd say "Good sir, what is a fiddle faddle?" and those who are "in the know" would explain "Why let me tell you. A fiddle faddle is like a raid in any other game, but not, because then we'd be just like all those other games out there raiding and raiding instead of fiddle faddling, and who would want that common bunk in this most uncommon of games?"

But no, it's ok that they're calling them raids. Common frames of reference are not the devil.


Fiddle Faddling was mainstream back in the '50s. Adults would yell "You kids quit fiddle faddling on my lawn!".
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#22 Sep 25 2013 at 7:44 AM Rating: Good
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jayfly wrote:
Furiousnixon wrote:
Ya this mainstreaming is awful. They need to come up with a new term that is uniquely theirs.... I know... Let's call these large group events "Fiddle Faddles". "Come to my fiddle faddle!" people would /shout in the cities. New players would have no idea what that was... they'd say "Good sir, what is a fiddle faddle?" and those who are "in the know" would explain "Why let me tell you. A fiddle faddle is like a raid in any other game, but not, because then we'd be just like all those other games out there raiding and raiding instead of fiddle faddling, and who would want that common bunk in this most uncommon of games?"

But no, it's ok that they're calling them raids. Common frames of reference are not the devil.


Fiddle Faddling was mainstream back in the '50s. Adults would yell "You kids quit fiddle faddling on my lawn!".

Gee whillickers. What a swell explanation!
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jayfly wrote:
Furiousnixon wrote:
Ya this mainstreaming is awful. They need to come up with a new term that is uniquely theirs.... I know... Let's call these large group events "Fiddle Faddles". "Come to my fiddle faddle!" people would /shout in the cities. New players would have no idea what that was... they'd say "Good sir, what is a fiddle faddle?" and those who are "in the know" would explain "Why let me tell you. A fiddle faddle is like a raid in any other game, but not, because then we'd be just like all those other games out there raiding and raiding instead of fiddle faddling, and who would want that common bunk in this most uncommon of games?"

But no, it's ok that they're calling them raids. Common frames of reference are not the devil.


Fiddle Faddling was mainstream back in the '50s. Adults would yell "You kids quit fiddle faddling on my lawn!".


That makes it retro then. Reviving long dead things is part of what passes for unique isn't it? Now if you'll excuse me I must return to listening to this game's soundtrack on vinyl, because one can only truly appreciate music from video games on vinyl, the way it was originally intended to be heard.
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#24 Sep 25 2013 at 8:00 AM Rating: Excellent
Just make sure your party has enough FFPS when entering a Fiddle Faddle!
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Just make sure your party has enough FFPS when entering a Fiddle Faddle!


I disagree with this. Fiddle Faddles are calculated on a per minute basis because one cannot possibly complete more than 1 fiddle and also faddle in the span of a mere second, or several in fact. That is why it is commonly expected that any given person will only ever achieve 9-10 FFPM (or Fiddle Faddles Per Minute). A real fiddle faddler would know this.

What does any of this mean you ask? Well good sir, if I have to explain it you aren't in a position to understand it anyhow and so it would serve no purpose and so you should go back to your mainstream games with "raids" or w/e the ridiculous clearly not apropos term for groupings of people completing "final phase" (yes, I don't use that main stream "end game" term either it's too common for me) content.

Now, back to fiddle faddling final phase content.
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