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#1 Sep 25 2013 at 2:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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I have to admit I am absolutely terrible at avoiding AoE's. I got carried through Titan story mode while dead down at the bottom. I just completed Stone Vigil last night and that last boss had a field day with me. I am going to get to some Hardmode runs before too long and I'm fairly sure I will be that player that is dragging the team down.

Movement tips?

First of all I generally play in Standard mode. Pressing "Back" in standard mode has your character mosey backwards at 1/2 movement speed. Left/Right turns the camera which really doesn't work for boss fights. So I've taken to changing to Legacy mode for boss battles. I have my Saved Camera waaay back, in fact all the way back. In Legacy mode, left/right actually moves you left/right. And back is at full speed. In Legacy mode pressing any button starts me immediately moving at full speed in any direction.

First, questions: Do you guys play in Legacy mode?

Secondly, a friend has explained to me that he basically fights bosses with his Right Mouse Button held down the whole time. So he can swivel that camera around fast. He is a Tank so awareness of the battlefield is doubly important for him.

Secondly: Do you mainly hold down the right mouse button during boss fights?

Now we come to the real crux of my problem. When that red circle appears under me I move right away. To me it seems like right away. But I still get hit. About 90% of the time I still get hit. That is way too high to be even attempting Hardmode and I know it. Considering some of the boss rotations I've seen posted, it would seem that the way to really avoid AoE is know it's coming.

Most of the bosses use the same abilities in a predictable pattern?

Finally, moving into an AoE. I know it's coming, so I just stop casting and get ready to run. The red circle appears under me and I run, run, run, right into a second red circle! Aww, geez. Dead again. For the record, I generally use Scathe while moving, but lately I have not been because I use the setting "Automatically face target when using an ability".

Do you "Automatically face target when using abilities"?

I find that this can easily flip around your running direction and now you are running right at the mob. So I turn it off, but then I end up spending time rotating the camera to face mobs, especially in hectic battles. Or worse, just standing there spamming a button, and doing nothing, because I'm too lame to remember I turned off the "Auto-face" setting.

So I am trying as best I can to learn how people have their movement settings setup. Legacy/Standard? Auto-face? Memorize boss patterns to predict the next ability? I get very little time to play FFXIV. I really want to play a ton more. I'm going to have to live with what I can get practice-wise . I have great long-time LS friends who will let me come to their runs and carry me through no problem. But I want to kick ***, not be carried. Any info about how you stay nimble as a casting class, which primarily needs to stand still, would be super helpful!


#2 Sep 25 2013 at 3:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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1. I didn't play 1.0 or FFXI, so I have no idea what "Legacy Mode" does. I will say that the first thing I do after installing *any* game is to keymap "A" and "D" to strafe left/right if they default to turning. I have a mouse for fast and precise aim control, I don't need to turn with a keyboard. Ever. I leave backpedal bound to "S", but it rarely gets used, if ever. Backpedal is for when you stop too close to something and you need to back away to fit more in your view (i.e., not for boss fights). Spin-and-run or turn-and-strafe are unconditionally better ways to move: Even if you could backpedal as fast as you run or strafe, you would be sprinting headlong at God knows what in a direction you cannot see. I have suggested to people in the past that they break themselves of the habit of backpedaling by rebinding "S" to something like "/shout I'm an idiot and I'm trying to backpedal!"

2. Avoiding AoE in this game is a function of a few different factors: (a) your reaction time, (b) your network lag, (c) the server's worldview update frequency. Even if you think you got out in time, the network and server latency can easily add as much as a second of latency between when you see yourself out of the AoE and when the server believes you are out of the AoE. Reaction time is a function of reflexes and attention, there isn't much you can do about network lag without changing providers. You can hack the server latency though.

Remember all those videos of the teleporting robots blinking from mining node to mining node? The client in this game tells the server where you are, and the server takes its word for it. You can (allegedly, I haven't tested personally or seen any definitive data) take advantage of that fact by initiating a cast to force your client to update the server with your current position. I've been trying to stop moving and initiate a Cure cast immediately after exiting AoEs on my WHM since I learned this, and it feels like I have had many fewer occurrences of "Dafuq? I was out of that!" than before.

Running out of one AoE and into another is always going to be hard. I push my camera way back and almost directly overhead to visualize the entire field of engagement better for fights/phases like that.
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#3 Sep 26 2013 at 2:12 AM Rating: Excellent
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Strafe is your friend like cartec says!

Really, it's not BLM specific. You will just learn the fights well enough to know when the boss is going to lay down an AoE. Aether manipulation also can be helpful if you're /really/ quick and the AoE is slow (or has a large radius).

It's why things like this exist:

As for your first question, I've never heard of Legacy mode. I do have my camera at max distance, though. To strafe, I use right click and movement keys but never go backwards unless I do a 180 with my camera.

Your friend has good advice. :) I actually rotate the camera around quite a bit when casting spells. We have a great advantage in that we can see the entire battlefield because we're almost always in back!

As for your inquiry about being hit despite being outside the box, I want you to check your latency always if possible:

task manager > performance > resource monitor > network > check the ffxiv.exe box > look at latency

This makes a huge deal when talking about dodging AoE.

When you kind of get the feel for how your network and you work together, you can predict when you will be hit by an AoE or not even when it graphically shows you outside the red AoE. The server calculates things faster than can graphically be displayed and then has to transmit that data to your physical location which can be quite some distance! If your latency in task manager is high and you're doing a really important fight, I would try to get out of it if possible. If your latency is ALWAYS high, then you need to run some speed tests and confirm whether or not the rate listed by your ISP is accurate or not.

Most of this game's AoEs were designed with the intent that they could be dodged at a reasonable rate, though, even given the lag. The storyline Titan is actually the first wake up call you receive, I think, in terms of mandatory things you need to dodge. Knowing the fight really helps overcome this.

I have "automatically face the enemy" turned on but I highly recommend you keep it off. I know many people who have turned it off because it causes the exact same problem you've noticed. You may be sitting there wondering why you aren't casting for a few moments but at least you're not dead from the AoE you just dodged because you pressed a button and stopped running!

And as a last comment, I will say that I save swiftcast for fights where I know movement is necessary but swiftcast is not. I use it to keep stacks of astral fire up when I know they will fade due to repositioning. However, if you're dying to AoE, I would not even think about DPSing while on the move. Just focus on movement, get that mastered, then focus on DPSing while moving.
#4 Sep 26 2013 at 9:41 AM Rating: Excellent
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I had a terrible time getting out of AoE when I started and never do now. The difference is the computers I have been playing on. My gf has an older All-in-one that doesn't handle the game amazingly well and my PC is a bit beefier. What that means is latency in one form or another and is probably what you are experiencing.
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#5 Oct 01 2013 at 9:31 AM Rating: Good
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Ok guys so I made some major changes thanks to the feedback here and I want to share what worked and what did not.

First of all, switching to Legacy movement (Character based) is essential. It is the very first option under the Character Settings. It will allow you to run backwards at full speed. Sometimes straight backwards is the best way out of an AoE. It beats rotating the camera and strafing by a long shot.

On that note, thanks for recommending resetting left/right to strafe. Much, much better across the board.

I absolutely have to have "Automatically face target while casting" on. You just have to run through enemies sometimes and then immediately cast. You don't have the .5 second it take to spin the camera around. Thankfully, switching to Legacy mode prevents the camera from changing when you change the direction you are facing. Now I can kite and cast while running away and it never, never makes it so I am suddenly running at the enemy.

Thanks to the tips here I have become incredibly nimble across the battlefield. I can run any direction on a dime. I can kite and hit with spells 100% of the time. Even just walking about on the map is easier. Thanks everyone. Hopefully this discussion here helps others as well.
#6 Oct 01 2013 at 10:27 AM Rating: Good
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Gnu wrote:
I absolutely have to have "Automatically face target while casting" on. You just have to run through enemies sometimes and then immediately cast. You don't have the .5 second it take to spin the camera around. Thankfully, switching to Legacy mode prevents the camera from changing when you change the direction you are facing. Now I can kite and cast while running away and it never, never makes it so I am suddenly running at the enemy.

Boom! That is huge. I am going to check out that legacy mode as soon as I log in next. I can't think of another game that lets you run backward at full pace, but that is a nice tip! Mouse turns and strafing are a must.
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