Forum Settings
       
Reply To Thread

Party Targeting as CNJ makes me want to PUNCH BABIESFollow

#1 Sep 26 2013 at 7:26 PM Rating: Default
*
92 posts
I've been fighting iwth this all night. I'ts absurd.

I play on pc with ps3 controller.

Up/down targets party members, then HOLD L2/R2 to use abilities.

I use toggle, because it fatigues the fingers to hold those buttons down. However when the cross bar is active, there's no d-pad action to target party members.

If someone could please explain this to me, i've been fighting with it all night and no luck.
____________________________
Sites hosting illegal downloads, "private" servers, or material that has been brought to our attention as being in violation U.S. law is not allowed and will be immediately removed. All copyrighted content, regardless of format, that is submitted to the forums will be removed at the request of the copyright holder.

Heroes are what you make them...
#2 Sep 26 2013 at 7:28 PM Rating: Decent
Scholar
Avatar
**
611 posts
Honestly, I moved the l2/r2 to l1/r1... I found it alleviated stress on your fingers a bit. I attempted toggle but just didn't like... Perhaps worth a try?
____________________________
FFXI Ronyn RDM 75 (R.I.P.) -Fairy / BarretJax 95 MNK (Non-Active) - Asura
Ronin Olorin / Ronyn Oloryn (Active) - Ultros Server

"Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence." - Max Ehrmann
#3 Sep 26 2013 at 7:33 PM Rating: Decent
PocketHockey wrote:
play on pc with ps3 controller.


Smiley: glare

Wish I could help, but all I can say is: play with KB&M. 14 plays so well with KB&M. I play as WHM, and targeting is easy as: click name, hit heal button.
____________________________
Sandinmyeye | |Tsukaremashi*a |
#4 Sep 26 2013 at 7:37 PM Rating: Decent
*
92 posts
That is not a bad idea, i switched l1 and r1 for a bit because i hate autorun on the left side, but it switched everything, and cahnge target left became right, etc.

I really wish SE hadn't destroyed controller. I've been doing ok with tank and cnj was fine until I joined a party, then it was brutal.
____________________________
Sites hosting illegal downloads, "private" servers, or material that has been brought to our attention as being in violation U.S. law is not allowed and will be immediately removed. All copyrighted content, regardless of format, that is submitted to the forums will be removed at the request of the copyright holder.

Heroes are what you make them...
#5 Sep 26 2013 at 7:39 PM Rating: Decent
*
92 posts
It could play on kb/m but I really enjoy controller, sitting back and relaxing in my easy chair. Also I'd hate to see ps3 users try to use the controller to heal, because they ahve no option.
____________________________
Sites hosting illegal downloads, "private" servers, or material that has been brought to our attention as being in violation U.S. law is not allowed and will be immediately removed. All copyrighted content, regardless of format, that is submitted to the forums will be removed at the request of the copyright holder.

Heroes are what you make them...
#6 Sep 26 2013 at 7:47 PM Rating: Excellent
Anterograde Amnesia
Avatar
*****
12,363 posts
KB healer here, I use the F keys, super simple.
____________________________
"Choosy MMO's choose Wint." - Louiscool
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was to convince the world he didn't exist.
Keyser Soze - Ultros
Guide to Setting Up Mumble on a Raspberry Pi
#7 Sep 26 2013 at 8:17 PM Rating: Decent
*
92 posts
I was a career whm in xi for 10 years, always controller. In 1.0 I was 50whm and controller. I just don't like using hte keyboard for anything other than typing, the game is relaxing to me, I sit back and relax while playing.
____________________________
Sites hosting illegal downloads, "private" servers, or material that has been brought to our attention as being in violation U.S. law is not allowed and will be immediately removed. All copyrighted content, regardless of format, that is submitted to the forums will be removed at the request of the copyright holder.

Heroes are what you make them...
#8 Sep 26 2013 at 8:19 PM Rating: Decent
****
4,151 posts
Wint wrote:
KB healer here, I use the F keys, super simple.


This. Why play with a controller that only has 10 buttons when you can use 100+ on a keyboard?
____________________________
Rinsui wrote:
Only hips + boobs all day and hips + boobs all over my icecream

HaibaneRenmei wrote:
30 bucks is almost free

cocodojo wrote:
Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
#9 Sep 26 2013 at 8:26 PM Rating: Decent
FilthMcNasty wrote:
Wint wrote:
KB healer here, I use the F keys, super simple.


This. Why play with a controller that only has 10 buttons when you can use 100+ on a keyboard?


^

How far back are you sitting?
____________________________
Sandinmyeye | |Tsukaremashi*a |
#10 Sep 26 2013 at 10:38 PM Rating: Excellent
**
660 posts
I use a wireless keyboard and mouse from my couch. What now?

Edited, Sep 27th 2013 12:38am by reptiletim
____________________________


#11 Sep 26 2013 at 11:22 PM Rating: Excellent
**
438 posts
I'm a WHM playing the PC version on the same logitech controller that Yoshi uses, and I've never had a problem. If, for instance, you're in an 8 man group, if you click on the tank, and position the tanks in the 3 and 4, or 4 and 5 spot in the party order, you'll always default back to the middle of the list. Then you're only deviating from that point a max of 3 or 4 from the tank.

Know what I mean, jelly bean?
____________________________
Star Swirl on Behemoth AKA Best-hemoth AKA The Cool Kid's Table----60AST, 60WHM, 60SCH/SMN, 60BLM, 60MNK, 38 PLD, 34DRG, 31NIN, 27MRD
FFXI- Derpypony on Asura
Check out the Dream Network, a Twitch.tv community for XIV fans, featuring notable streamers like Mr. Happy, MTQcapture, Rahhzay, and Slyakagreyfox! http://dreamnetwork.tv/forum/index.php
Then maybe check out myself, EquestriaGuy, on twitch at http://www.twitch.tv/equestriaguy


#12 Sep 27 2013 at 1:36 AM Rating: Good
Scholar
***
2,216 posts
I play PS3 controller on PC - I can dodge red circles better with it, and I have RSI which can get quite bad at times so it's easier to play that way. Have some stuff set to clickable standard hotbars that I don't need to get at quickly, so play a funny mish mash that just works for me.

Would looking at some of the suggested macros dotted about the forum and replacing your standard hotbar action buttons with ones doing it as a macro using things like mouseover/target's target and focus target not provide a way of working around bits of it? I don't play healer but would think there's a way around things doing that sort of thing? You can keep the MP cost and cooldown display of the button by using /macroicon "Cure" or whatever as the first line of the macro - I've done that with a couple of my buttons for various things.
#13 Sep 27 2013 at 4:00 AM Rating: Excellent
Guru
***
1,310 posts
I've played a healer on the PS3 , and in some ways it's a tad easier. Once you've selected the tank, for example, you can use X again to lock on to him or her. That way, say a wayward DPS needs a heal, once you cast a single spell his or her way, the target for the next spell automatically goes back to the tank which is perfect 90% of the time.

Another technique to consider is using macros on the hotbar itself which will target the players you want (similar to how the F-keys on a keyboard would) rather than have to rely on the D-pad (/ta <1> through <8> for party members, /ta <pet> for your pet). You could also make a macro for your most used spells, one for each possible target so you don't have to bother with targeting at all (e.g. a macro for /ac "Physick" <1>, a macro for /ac "Physick" <2>, etc.), depending on how you want to play it (although you may eventually run out of space if you do it the latter way, especially for an 8-man party).
#14 Sep 27 2013 at 4:14 AM Rating: Good
**
589 posts
Xoie wrote:
I've played a healer on the PS3 , and in some ways it's a tad easier. Once you've selected the tank, for example, you can use X again to lock on to him or her. That way, say a wayward DPS needs a heal, once you cast a single spell his or her way, the target for the next spell automatically goes back to the tank which is perfect 90% of the time.

Another technique to consider is using macros on the hotbar itself which will target the players you want (similar to how the F-keys on a keyboard would) rather than have to rely on the D-pad (/ta <1> through <8> for party members, /ta <pet> for your pet). You could also make a macro for your most used spells, one for each possible target so you don't have to bother with targeting at all (e.g. a macro for /ac "Physick" <1>, a macro for /ac "Physick" <2>, etc.), depending on how you want to play it (although you may eventually run out of space if you do it the latter way, especially for an 8-man party).


I did this the one and only time I've played Conjurer in 2.0. I use a gamepad so I just target locked the tank as I knew that is where most of my focus would be, occasionally I'd hit left on the DPad for a few Aero's or scroll up/down to give the Lancer a Cure. My main complaint is the target icon on the party box isn't big enough, I want to be 100% clear what party member I'm targeting and when there are too many mobs on screen I rely on the party section of the HUD. It was no biggie, just a minor irritation.
____________________________
Solomon Grundy | Born on a Monday | Excalibur Server | Abyss: Welcome to a Higher Quality of Nerding™
#15 Sep 27 2013 at 4:35 AM Rating: Good
**
832 posts
PocketHockey wrote:
I've been fighting iwth this all night. I'ts absurd.

I play on pc with ps3 controller.

Up/down targets party members, then HOLD L2/R2 to use abilities.

I use toggle, because it fatigues the fingers to hold those buttons down. However when the cross bar is active, there's no d-pad action to target party members.

If someone could please explain this to me, i've been fighting with it all night and no luck.

I use d-pad targeting all the time with crossbar(I use a wired Xbox controller). Also what content are you running that requires you to constantly target anything but the tank? The few times I've ran dungeons I normally just main target tank and rarely have to cure the rest of the party(usually only during "oops's"). I can even throw out the occasional stone/aero to burn down trash mobs like this.

Edited, Sep 27th 2013 5:37am by Niknar
____________________________
VIVE LA RÉVOLUTION PONEY!
デーブは、ここではありません。
Urthdigger wrote:
First person view {You can have this.} I'm a galka and wore a subligar all the way to 50. You either learn to deal with it, or learn to enjoy the other party member's screams of agony.

Likibiki wrote:
I wish I could get parties of that standard. Sadly I seem to end up playing with myself all the time.

[ffxisig]81208[/ffxisig]
#16 Sep 27 2013 at 5:47 AM Rating: Good
Avatar
**
392 posts
I use a xbox controller and I have no problems healing as a SCH, even at 50 and endgame fights. I find the up/down way very simple. I also take the time to move the members names around on the party list if able to make it easier. I always put the tank(s) at the top of the list and keep them together.

EDIT: Not sure if you know, but the first thing you target, either a player or mob, that target is now your default, meaning; if the first person i target at the start of a fight is the tank (as it should be) and throw a Cure on them, then press down twice and throw a cure on a DPS, then my target will automatically go back to aiming at the tank so i won't have to press up/down to reselect him and can start my next spell. So i am not really doing that much targeting as i know my default target (main tank) is the one i'm naturally locked on and any spell i throw without aiming will hit him/her.





Edited, Sep 27th 2013 7:52am by RyanSquires
____________________________
"You are what you are on paper."
-
Avirex Idyll - Faerie Server
#17 Sep 27 2013 at 6:46 AM Rating: Decent
**
589 posts
i started off with a 360 controller. I didn't like how I had to move around to get the spells I wanted. The set up they have is like in TERA and I was ok with it, but once I switched to KB/M I never went back. I was so happy with the new set up and ran and got me a Naga.
#18 Sep 27 2013 at 7:00 AM Rating: Good
Needs More Smut
******
21,262 posts
Sandinmygum the Stupendous wrote:
PocketHockey wrote:
play on pc with ps3 controller.


Smiley: glare

Wish I could help, but all I can say is: play with KB&M. 14 plays so well with KB&M. I play as WHM, and targeting is easy as: click name, hit heal button.


Also click F1-F4+ and then hit the heal button. Don't even have to touch the mouse then.
____________________________
FFXI: Catwho on Bismarck: Retired December 2014
Thayos wrote:
I can't understand anyone who skips the cutscenes of a Final Fantasy game. That's like going to Texas and not getting barbecue.

FFXIV: Katarh Mest and Taprara Rara on Lamia Server - Member of The Swarm
Curator of the XIV Wallpapers Tumblr and the XIV Fashion Tumblr
#19 Sep 27 2013 at 7:58 AM Rating: Good
***
2,214 posts
It comes in handy to have a Focus target macro on the tank you are focused on, as well as a Target focus target macro.

I am a little disappointed we didn't get our <tank1> <tank2><damage1><healer1> etc... target options (or at least not that I have seen in any macro list or in the online help. That would have made what you are trying to do a lot easier.

Mara is having the same problems as you Pocket. She is getting used to turning the action lock on and off when she needs to switch targets, but if she has a lag spike, or holds the button for a second too long bad stuff can happen. I am supposed to actually help her setup a bunch of macros to make her life easier... Just adding that to my list of things that I have to do in the game:).
#20 Sep 27 2013 at 8:13 AM Rating: Good
I alternate between both, and I have to say the controller works extremely well if you play the game like a crack addict. You start cycling through hot bars and targetting like nothing. I'll admit for healing KB is probably the way to go, but for melee, I think I prefer the controller. Tanking is a toss up, but I find both equally good.
____________________________

#21 Sep 27 2013 at 8:23 AM Rating: Decent
*
92 posts
I've been tanking up until now. I've managed to get the targeting down for it with the controller, it's quite easy once you get the hang of it.

Up/down is great for targeting party, but you have to turn off the cross bar to do it. Even back in beta if you didn't have something in a cross bar position, like up/down, you could use it as it's origional button, so I'd keep up/down clear of actions then I could still use it while hte cross bar is up. There's even actions for target left or right, but no up/down, so you litterally can't target party members while hte cross bar is up.
____________________________
Sites hosting illegal downloads, "private" servers, or material that has been brought to our attention as being in violation U.S. law is not allowed and will be immediately removed. All copyrighted content, regardless of format, that is submitted to the forums will be removed at the request of the copyright holder.

Heroes are what you make them...
#22 Sep 27 2013 at 8:54 AM Rating: Good
***
3,178 posts
Try this:

Do you know how to create User Macros?

Make one that says:

/macroicon "Cure"
/ac "Cure" <p0>


And one that says:

/macroicon "Cure"
/ac "Cure" <p1>


And one that says:

/macroicon "Cure"
/ac "Cure" <p2>


And one that says:

/macroicon "Cure"
/ac "Cure" <p3>


Now set these Macros to 4 of your controller buttons.

I haven't tried this at all. Not even sure if the text commands <p#> work for targeting party members. It's worth a shot if you want to use Toggle.
#23 Sep 27 2013 at 9:23 AM Rating: Decent
*
92 posts
That's a pretty good idea! I like it, I think I'll try it.
____________________________
Sites hosting illegal downloads, "private" servers, or material that has been brought to our attention as being in violation U.S. law is not allowed and will be immediately removed. All copyrighted content, regardless of format, that is submitted to the forums will be removed at the request of the copyright holder.

Heroes are what you make them...
#24 Sep 27 2013 at 9:48 AM Rating: Excellent
Sage
**
743 posts
I hope you've read Gnu's targeting guide http://ffxiv.zam.com/forum.html?forum=152&mid=1373596512307512935&h=50#2
____________________________
I think you've been smoking the Moko...
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/350413/
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/1628942/
http://www.nerdist.com/
Angus of Cerberus (retired)
#25 Sep 27 2013 at 11:40 AM Rating: Excellent
Scholar
Avatar
**
753 posts
I play WHM with controller, and love it.

Getting actions off in-time and on-target is essential to completing content. I find the best solution to be reducing the average number of keystrokes needed to get any of my actions off on any target. To that end, I focus on using effective macros and efficient keystrokes.

Use macros that combine utility actions with spells, such as Swiftcast Raise, or Swiftcast Surecast Medica. This allows me to remove Swiftcast/Surecast off my XHotbars, freeing up valuable slots.

The other half of my strategy is efficient keystrokes, which really goes hand-in-hand with effective macros. The fewer XHotbars I have to cycle through, the faster I can get to my desired action. @L50, I run with two XHotbars to house all my actions, and of those two "clusters" are identical (My L2+Buttons and R2+Buttons have the exact same actions such as my Cure Line and CC/Hate Management). Doing it this way, I have far less action positions to have to think about in the heat of the moment, reducing my reaction time.

The simple solution I've used to get around finger fatigue:

Don't put Hotbars on toggle, instead, train yourself to not hold down your L2/R2 buttons all the time.

Essentially, when I go to use an action, I quickly hit L2/R2 a fraction of a second before I hit the D-Pad/Buttons for actions. After a bit of practice, it's **** near automatic and my fingers don't get tired of holding down a trigger all fight.

This allows me to still use the D-Pad up/down to target party members, or left/right for mobs, which I find to be more than sufficient to get te job done, while reducing my overall reaction time.
#26 Sep 27 2013 at 12:01 PM Rating: Decent
*
109 posts
Strengthen those fingers, scro!
#27 Sep 27 2013 at 4:12 PM Rating: Decent
Scholar
Avatar
*
95 posts
Don't use the toggle , it's dumb . Just don't hold down the buttons all the time. Also, there's this misconception that console players can't do endgame content? I have a keyboard and mouse on my ps3. They are handy but as a tank and healer I rarely use either except for chatting and Menus. Very rarely do I use keyboard or mouse for anything else. Controller rocks in this game.
#28 Sep 27 2013 at 5:30 PM Rating: Decent
*
92 posts
I read the targeting thing, it didn't help at all.

However had my first run with my macro's and that makes dungeons a one handed thing. Just tabp a button and done. Usually the same button if the tank's doing his job right. Macro for protect. Other side has some offensive spells, and misc.

On the down side, going from tank to healer, I hate every tank. They're terrible. I am sure it might improve as we get up in the levels but ****, tanks at 20 shouldn't be this bad.
____________________________
Sites hosting illegal downloads, "private" servers, or material that has been brought to our attention as being in violation U.S. law is not allowed and will be immediately removed. All copyrighted content, regardless of format, that is submitted to the forums will be removed at the request of the copyright holder.

Heroes are what you make them...
#29 Sep 27 2013 at 6:06 PM Rating: Decent
Scholar
Avatar
**
753 posts
PocketHockey wrote:
IHowever had my first run with my macro's and that makes dungeons a one handed thing. Just tabp a button and done. Usually the same button if the tank's doing his job right. Macro for protect. Other side has some offensive spells, and misc.

On the down side, going from tank to healer, I hate every tank. They're terrible. I am sure it might improve as we get up in the levels but ****, tanks at 20 shouldn't be this bad.


I'm glad you've found something that's working.

Just keep in mind that when you hit the 8-man content, having macros for each party member will take up alot of XHotbar space. As 50 WHM, I have 3 Cures, 2 Medicas, and Regen for my restorative line. With 8 party members, that would take 48 macros (3 Full XHotbars) to maintain full effectiveness. Cycling through that would be awful.

Does anyone know if we have a subtarget command as we did in FFXI? <st>? Adding that to yours macro would bring up a target reticule that you could then scroll through available targets, instead of having to set a macro for each member.
#30 Sep 28 2013 at 8:33 AM Rating: Good
Needs More Smut
******
21,262 posts
XI also had <stpc> which was perfect for only cycling through player characters.
____________________________
FFXI: Catwho on Bismarck: Retired December 2014
Thayos wrote:
I can't understand anyone who skips the cutscenes of a Final Fantasy game. That's like going to Texas and not getting barbecue.

FFXIV: Katarh Mest and Taprara Rara on Lamia Server - Member of The Swarm
Curator of the XIV Wallpapers Tumblr and the XIV Fashion Tumblr
Reply To Thread

Colors Smileys Quote OriginalQuote Checked Help

 

Recent Visitors: 86 All times are in CST
Anonymous Guests (86)