Well I finally broke down and installed a SSD to try to help the PS3 cope with all characters onscreen. It was such a pain for me to target mobs that would be invisible or the lag from fates. The loading screens are now 1.5-2.5 secs tops. I haven't been able to test the more laggy fates yet, but I've done a few 8 man dungeons and my performance upgrade is noticeable. The characters(npcs) still drop out to conserve RAM from a distance, but they pop back much faster when you're close to them. I no longer run to a npc quest marker and need to wait a long time for npc to pop. This applies to fates too where you turn in supplies. I'm still going to update to the PS4, but installing a SSD was the best thing a PS3 player can do to help their performance. I thought I've give some hope out to other PS3 users who struggle to do fates. I picked up a Samsung 120GB 840 series. It's around 100 bucks if anyone is interested.
Edited, Sep 28th 2013 12:06am by ShadowedgeFFXI
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I noticed the slow loading times of the PS3 when I was watching a friend. I'm on SSD on PC, and I too only have a few brief seconds for loading zones and zero lag in fates.
Isn't the stock hard drive in a PS3 a 5200 RPM?
Isn't the stock hard drive in a PS3 a 5200 RPM?
You could also get a Walmart computer which could run this at high settings for a low price (or build your own with older, but still good, discounted parts).
Another suggestion: sometimes there are used PCs in the local newspaper or Craiglist for like $100 that could run ARR much better than a PS3.
Edited, Sep 28th 2013 8:11am by LucasNox
Another suggestion: sometimes there are used PCs in the local newspaper or Craiglist for like $100 that could run ARR much better than a PS3.
Edited, Sep 28th 2013 8:11am by LucasNox
Would it be possible to link the ssd upgrade you used? Might look into this as a temporary solution until I can get a gaming pc.
Edited, Sep 28th 2013 11:39am by Phoenixlite
Edited, Sep 28th 2013 11:39am by Phoenixlite
Catwho wrote:
I noticed the slow loading times of the PS3 when I was watching a friend. I'm on SSD on PC, and I too only have a few brief seconds for loading zones and zero lag in fates.
Isn't the stock hard drive in a PS3 a 5200 RPM?
Isn't the stock hard drive in a PS3 a 5200 RPM?
Yes, it's a Hitachi(sp) 5200 2.5" laptop HDD. The reason why I think the lag is disappearing is because of how SE programmed FFXIV. In reality, 512MB isn't enough to run the game. Programmers have used the HDD to compensate for the RAM. This blew up in the programmers face when Skyrim came out though. The PS3 version took forever to get fixed because of how they used the HDD to cover the missing RAM.
I'm sure your experience on PC would be tolerable without a SSD. On PS3, it's really a pain as you noticed. Everything about the game seems smoother now. There isn't the laggy/jerky movements of people running by me on their mounts. I can walk up to a NPC in a crowded area like fates and actually find the guy without taking forever. I load super fast and never have to wait 10 seconds sometimes like the old drive. I can't believe even with all the bottlenecks the SSD still finds a way to make this game better on PS3, but it does.
Edited, Sep 28th 2013 10:55am by ShadowedgeFFXI
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Would it be possible to link the ssd upgrade you used? Might look into this as a temporary solution until I can get a gaming pc.
Edited, Sep 28th 2013 11:39am by Phoenixlite
Edited, Sep 28th 2013 11:39am by Phoenixlite
Well I picked up the SSD in the CompUSA store, but here is the link for their website. It's a little more actually on the website. I picked it up for only $99, brand new. This is a temp solution for me. The PS4 version will run this game better than a $1,000 PC due to optimization and other factors. I'm building a PC rig too though so I'll probably play on both anyways.
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5247110&Sku=S203-8000
Thanks for the link, definitely a cheap solution for the moment. Installing looks fairly simple from what I saw, probably going to v placing an order today
ShadowedgeFFXI wrote:
Catwho wrote:
I noticed the slow loading times of the PS3 when I was watching a friend. I'm on SSD on PC, and I too only have a few brief seconds for loading zones and zero lag in fates.
Isn't the stock hard drive in a PS3 a 5200 RPM?
Isn't the stock hard drive in a PS3 a 5200 RPM?
Yes, it's a Hitachi(sp) 5200 2.5" laptop HDD. The reason why I think the lag is disappearing is because of how SE programmed FFXIV. In reality, 512MB isn't enough to run the game. Programmers have used the HDD to compensate for the RAM. This blew up in the programmers face when Skyrim came out though. The PS3 version took forever to get fixed because of how they used the HDD to cover the missing RAM.
I'm sure your experience on PC would be tolerable without a SSD. On PS3, it's really a pain as you noticed. Everything about the game seems smoother now. There isn't the laggy/jerky movements of people running by me on their mounts. I can walk up to a NPC in a crowded area like fates and actually find the guy without taking forever. I load super fast and never have to wait 10 seconds sometimes like the old drive. I can't believe even with all the bottlenecks the SSD still finds a way to make this game better on PS3, but it does.
PCs also use swap files/page files and always have, although with RAM so cheap these days they're not nearly as necessary on desktops as they used to be. They're still heavily used on fat servers running SQL databases. At my old job we installed a server with 30 GB of RAM and it had a 90 GB page file to match. Crazy!
would it possible to link a page saying how to install step by step? And is this something you wouldn't have someone whom isn't 100% savy with this stuff to do?
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would it possible to link a page saying how to install step by step? And is this something you wouldn't have someone whom isn't 100% savy with this stuff to do?
Slim: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sq7F7JOMDXA
Super Slim: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_vdNPv6HKk
Edited, Sep 29th 2013 9:44am by GongJr
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And is this something you wouldn't have someone whom isn't 100% savy with this stuff to do?
It's not really a difficult procedure. However, if you want to partition a HDD with a Fat32 partition, that might be a bit much for non-tech people. A 32GB(it's Fat 32 already) USB drive can handle most of your important stuff though. The rest can be deleted if you don't wish to backup using a partition. I personally recommend deleting all games and keeping the save data(save files) only if people wish to use the USB drive option. Once you get to the install process of the physical hardware, it's a quick easy process that anyone can do. You do need a small ***** driver though. All you do is remove the screws and swap out the old drive for the new one. It's totally painless and easy 60 second process to do following the simple links provided by the other poster. The hardest part is the backup phase, the rest is more waiting(format time) than anything.
As for me personally, I deleted all games except FFXIV, but I kept all the save data including FFXIV's save data which holds our macros and stuff.
Edited, Sep 29th 2013 7:32pm by ShadowedgeFFXI
well i really dont care about fates as i expect those to be laggy and have slow character/mob loads.. i mean i dont recal dynamis, besieged or ny other event that was large scale in ffxi running well either. even on pc those things happened.
my question is how does theps3 handle 8+ men fights/raids in dungeons?
my question is how does theps3 handle 8+ men fights/raids in dungeons?
DuoMaxwellxx wrote:
well i really dont care about fates as i expect those to be laggy and have slow character/mob loads.. i mean i dont recal dynamis, besieged or ny other event that was large scale in ffxi running well either. even on pc those things happened.
my question is how does theps3 handle 8+ men fights/raids in dungeons?
my question is how does theps3 handle 8+ men fights/raids in dungeons?
Most of time the 8 man raids weren't that laggy on the PS3, but there were times where lag kills you literally. I'm referring to the Primal Hard mode fights here. The final story mission was kinda laggy on my PS3 before the SSD too. Plus the SSD helps cut the loading in half which helps as people like to speed run straight out of the CS skip. This is a godsend for CR spamming. I've noticed huge returns on my performance since the update. Now I no longer pop a weapon skill and need to wait a few seconds for the animation to go off when I was lagging. Everything is much more seamless.
Edited, Sep 29th 2013 8:02pm by ShadowedgeFFXI
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Problem with the PS3 is the amount of memory available as someone has pointed out already. The SSD helps lag by providing almost-as-fast virtual memory that FFXIV can make use of by treating the disk as a RAM location. Keep in mind though that SSDs do have a limited number of rewrite cycles and treating a SSD as virtual memory, especially if used heavily, may mean the drive won't last as long as a typical HD. This is less of an issue on PS3 since most hard drive data can be reloaded from the store or your game disks, though you should try to back up "game save" data occasionally (not a bad practice in general.)
That said, I did install a SSD on my PC to help with loading times which were on the order of 20~30 seconds on my old computer. I kept my standard HD as the Windows C:\ drive and installed the SSD as a second drive to store the game files in a D:\Games\FFXIV folder. Changing areas now only takes about 5 seconds. The new computer also has 8GB of RAM so I'm not likely to be using either the HD nor the SSD for storing temporary game data.
tl;dr Just be sure you're familiar with the tradeoffs to using a SSD and are comfortable with them if you're going to install one. If you plan to do so on a PC, it is worth the effort to make it a secondary drive rather than your primary (and increase your RAM too/instead if possible.) You'll improve its life and still gain most of the benefits of a fast device.
That said, I did install a SSD on my PC to help with loading times which were on the order of 20~30 seconds on my old computer. I kept my standard HD as the Windows C:\ drive and installed the SSD as a second drive to store the game files in a D:\Games\FFXIV folder. Changing areas now only takes about 5 seconds. The new computer also has 8GB of RAM so I'm not likely to be using either the HD nor the SSD for storing temporary game data.
tl;dr Just be sure you're familiar with the tradeoffs to using a SSD and are comfortable with them if you're going to install one. If you plan to do so on a PC, it is worth the effort to make it a secondary drive rather than your primary (and increase your RAM too/instead if possible.) You'll improve its life and still gain most of the benefits of a fast device.
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