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#1 Sep 30 2013 at 10:34 PM Rating: Decent
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I see these shouts a lot. " WTB your 125 Tomes of Philosophy items (animal fat)@35k PST!! Easy money w/ those extra tomes! Will buy everything you got!" Good deal or bad deal?

#2 Sep 30 2013 at 10:35 PM Rating: Excellent
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Which server?

They're 75-85K on average on my server, but that's also a legacy server.

I imagine it's less on non-legacy since everyone on that server isn't rich.
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This is on Behemoth.
#4 Oct 01 2013 at 2:08 AM Rating: Decent
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It's easy money atleast.

If you want to do dungeons and -not- got DL gear to actually help you, but instead want to make money, go right ahead. But unless you are a crafter at level 50 looking for (those) ingredients yourself, gil is kind of meaningless in this game, is it not?
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#5 Oct 01 2013 at 2:16 AM Rating: Good
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Gil is not a big deal atm really, but I imagine as things like housing/chocobo breeding etc is introduced it could be nice to have some saved up since they said it would be expensive.
#6 Oct 01 2013 at 2:36 AM Rating: Decent
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hachutis wrote:
I see these shouts a lot. " WTB your 125 Tomes of Philosophy items (animal fat)@35k PST!! Easy money w/ those extra tomes! Will buy everything you got!" Good deal or bad deal?



Find the most expensive 125 tome item on the AH that sells steadily. On Migard, that would probably be peacock ore. Potash has been crashing lately.

Potash is for the armor (casters: Vanya set) and peacock for the accessories.

Some of the accessories actually trump their allagan equivalent for certain classes.

KojiroSoma wrote:
It's easy money atleast.

If you want to do dungeons and -not- got DL gear to actually help you, but instead want to make money, go right ahead. But unless you are a crafter at level 50 looking for (those) ingredients yourself, gil is kind of meaningless in this game, is it not?

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Gil is not a big deal atm really, but I imagine as things like housing/chocobo breeding etc is introduced it could be nice to have some saved up since they said it would be expensive.


Gil is a pretty big deal if you want to have the best equipment. Melding materia can be VERY expensive depending on what grade you use.

Many of these shells that want to clear coil through turn 4 (I don't think 5 was done without exploits) have a high demand for peacock ore and potash so that they can make the best gear.

Also keep in mind that, for certain slots, there is a piece of gear that is BiS. It's not always allagan, AF2, or crafted but a mix. You can find a comparison of Allagan and AF2 here:

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/118388-Item-Level-90-Gear-Comparison?highlight=comparison

For instance, I believe the AF2 legs are BiS for BLM. Not really sure about the crafted equivalents.

Edited, Oct 1st 2013 4:36am by HitomeOfBismarck
#7 Oct 01 2013 at 3:54 AM Rating: Decent
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I didn't mean that it has no uses, but imo generally it is not a big deal because most people working for those pieces has the craft they need leveled already or someone in the FC does. If you refuse to farm any tomes then sure it will cost gil, but otherwise it more or less won't and since, like you said, often the best BiS character is a mix of different allagan/af2/crafted it won't require huge amounts of tomes either. The materia melding part would be the expensive part if you haven't spirit bonded any during your farm runs and get unlucky with a lot of your melding attempts. Also, remember this is for those who no matter what wants BiS which is not everyone.

Of course, the opportunity cost of using your tomes is selling them and earning gil so in that sense you lose gil I guess. Like I said, of course it is used and matters, but I don't think gil is a big deal overall if the majority of its real use is giving coil 4 clear players a faster way of obtaining a few BiS pieces.

Had there been drops from Coil 4/5 that was required in the recepies, which would force me who hasn't cleared those, to buy them (would be expensive of course) if I want Vanya or w/e, then I would say yes gil is important. Same with expensive housing, if there would be no other way of obtaining it other than having gil or if the alternative is very difficult, then gil is a big deal. As it is now gil is easy to come by by doing very easy content and if you already have a lot it is more or less just a different way of obtaining the same thing that you could easily and rather quickly get if you did the dungeons.
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hachutis wrote:
I see these shouts a lot. " WTB your 125 Tomes of Philosophy items (animal fat)@35k PST!! Easy money w/ those extra tomes! Will buy everything you got!" Good deal or bad deal?



On my Server 125 ToP turns into 120,000 Gil
#9 Oct 01 2013 at 8:34 AM Rating: Good
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HitomeOfBismarck wrote:

Potash is for the armor (casters: Vanya set) and peacock for the accessories.
Some of the accessories actually trump their allagan equivalent for certain classes.


Assuming that you force 4 melds with determination, you can trump anything with a crafted item. Jewelry definitely takes peacock ore. Also, dont forget, aqueous whetstones are used to make astrolabe, a blm staff, which I have yet to see on Ultros (not on auction house, and havent personally seen anyone using it).

HitomeOfBismarck wrote:

Gil is a pretty big deal if you want to have the best equipment. Melding materia can be VERY expensive depending on what grade you use.


Probably 350k for materials to craft assuming 10 items of 35k or 125 tomestones each (we are assuming that they are buying)
Then need a lvl 50 crafter with HQ slotted gear and a control high enough to make 2 star (this cost a ton of cash to do on my gsm)
Then need to buy III and IV materia (good III materia is 30-70k on Ultros, while good IV materia is 150k+)

Get to gathering...

HitomeOfBismarck wrote:

Many of these shells that want to clear coil through turn 4 (I don't think 5 was done without exploits) have a high demand for peacock ore and potash so that they can make the best gear.


Yoshi said that only 100 people would be able to clear Bahamut before the end of Beta IV. So no one has cleared it at all?
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#10 Oct 01 2013 at 8:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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You have to wonder how long the crazy prices will go, however, with the bans this morning.
#11 Oct 02 2013 at 5:01 AM Rating: Good
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Valkayree wrote:
Assuming that you force 4 melds with determination, you can trump anything with a crafted item. Jewelry definitely takes peacock ore. Also, dont forget, aqueous whetstones are used to make astrolabe, a blm staff, which I have yet to see on Ultros (not on auction house, and havent personally seen anyone using it).


Hmm I'm not so sure about this....mainly because I haven't been looking at the Vanya stuff! There are certain BiS slots that require Vanya over Allagan and AF2. You'll find it's generally pieces where you can put a lot of crit into them where their Allagan or AF2 counterparts do not. For instance, I think our AF2 legs fall in this category.

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Probably 350k for materials to craft assuming 10 items of 35k or 125 tomestones each (we are assuming that they are buying)
Then need a lvl 50 crafter with HQ slotted gear and a control high enough to make 2 star (this cost a ton of cash to do on my gsm)
Then need to buy III and IV materia (good III materia is 30-70k on Ultros, while good IV materia is 150k+)

Get to gathering...


I was a little sloppy with my earring and generous to the crafter (who is my friend) when he did it for me. I spent around 600k because I hadn't farmed all of the peacock ores up at the time. The materia alone was at least 200k and, as you can see, I'm not even using the best materia I could be. You should always slot your first meld with materia IV.

Right now, you should see a decrease in 125 tome item cost and a huge increase in materia cost. It's a lot harder to be self-sufficient with materia than it is with crafting, IMO. And, if you want HQ on your high end gear, you're going to have to level multiple crafts to have a near 100% chance.

Valkayree wrote:
Yoshi said that only 100 people would be able to clear Bahamut before the end of Beta IV. So no one has cleared it at all?


One group cleared turn 5 using an exploit. This, of course, didn't count and they were rolled back. No one has been able to legitimately do it.

If you are planning to PUG coil, until gear becomes more readily available faster (hinthint: AF2), I think turn 2 ADS is going to be a huge road block for many PUGs if not Caudecus. Currently, turn 4 is giving even high end shells a difficult time.
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