ilvl capped Level 50 dungeons?Follow

Why?

I still don't understand why would you want this to be implemented D: , I hate being gimped (I guess that's why I don't like GW2)

I haven't put it in as an actual suggestion. But given the tools that are already available, it sounds like something that is going to eventually come up, even if I don't say anything.

Why gear up if gear is useless?

Overgearing and steamrolling content is one of the ways people know their character has increased in power. Otherwise you just get Guild Wars 2

I'm all for having iLvl cap on PVP related content so I don't end up fighting a iLvl 90 PLD as iLvl50 WAR.

Like it or dislike it, iLevel requirements for dungeons is a feature coming to 2.1:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/87509-Gear-level-the-final-nail-in-the-games-coffin.?p=1258750#post1258750

Nothing wrong with over-geared players enjoying content with under geared or appropriately geared players. Not a big deal. So you'll rip hate off the tank more often... First world problems.

To use AK as an example if you have two over geared DDs and 1 appropriately geared or under geared tank, which has happened in my FC as we run alts through or new people, who really cares? Stuff dies before it has a chance to see it coming and on bosses the DDs should be smart enough to realize it might be an issue and throttle just a bit, not earth shattering. This game is generous anyhow with hate mechanics you don't have to adjust that much. Under geared healer over geared everyone else? Again who cares. The fact that everyone else is over geared (especially the tank) means they take less damage. In this situation the healer might have even less to do than normal and can coast for the whole dungeon DDing if they felt like it half the time.

What's the real complaint here? "This run went too smoothly because people had good gear. boo hoo" ?


Edited, Oct 2nd 2013 7:58am by Furiousnixon

This is a good comment against hard rules on who can enter a dungeon at what point (short of the basic level requirements). FCs that are completion oriented might want to rapidly gear themselves up with alt classes to fill roles they're lacking and this could hamstring that unless the iLVL only applies to DF partial parties and not in cases where you enter with a full party from the start, don't know about that one though.

It would be preferable to say "If you enter with a full party, that's your own business, otherwise there are general guidelines that are enforced when you enter with random strangers to keep the playing field balanced." In other words what's acceptable among friends might not be among strangers.


Edited, Oct 2nd 2013 8:22am by Furiousnixon

right but that's not what the thread is about (yes i made the same mistake), and they don't actually mention dungeons either....afaik its just for primals

Edited, Oct 2nd 2013 9:46am by Llester

They do this already by simply limiting the actual level of the player in dungeons and syncing the gear down. I don't think the restriction needs to apply to any level 50 dungeon.

I generally agree you, but here is my general reply to the thread.

The real problem from my experience is you have 1 great DPS and 1 AF and lower than lv50 geared DPS. Without solid DPS on these bosses, it's asking for trouble. I've done this dungeon so many times that the only "leech" can be a healer. A poorly geared tank will get smoked by the bosses and the giant guys or heck even all the gargolye and Arhiman. It's not so much about hate management as it is stuff needs to die or else all hope is lost. The demon wall is the perfect example. Tell me that DPS doesn't matter on the wall when you get pushed off if you're too slow.

The bottom line is people that haven't farmed darklight gear or better have no business doing AK or Primals for that matter. This isn't about elitism or preferring the easy path either. It's about all the times I've done content with players that understand the mechanics(skill), but lacked the gear were still dead weight. All the times I've won an instance with an unbalanced party, it's always been a pain. Sometimes it was me who was under-geared until I learned better. Farm, farm, and more farming the easier dungeons like CR until you bring your gear up to standard.

Any new lv50's reading this, here is my advice. The AF gear might look badass, but after the story missions, you're best to replace all of it. As I told my friends, it's complete trash for endgame content. Instead farm some darklight gear and upgrade all your weapons and accessories to lv50 until you get better choices. Start your relic quest and when you do get to the AK requirement, make sure you've upgraded most of your gear by then. Some people say to do Wander's palace, but I think spamming CR runs is best for a newbie lv50. One reason is def/vit for tanks and dmg/vit for dps. Most of these endgame raids will have you being hit regardless of how perfectly you dodge AoE. Titan is the best example, but even during the AK run, stuff randomly targets you.

Those folks can and should do Ifrit HM. I beat it as blm with the keep of saints rod and AF gear very easily. As for AK, well, as a dd beforehand you could afford to do a few cm runs to get some darklight pieces, or have a relic dd guide you through your first AK so you can buy the gc weapon that is better than ifrit. It is defintely a tough dungeon to run, even with an ifrit weapon. At best, buy the hq lvl 49 jewelry and slot in materia until you get up there. Those rings will then convert at 100% and potentially grant you expensive materia you can sell back for triple what you bought the ring for (or it could tank and you get an ice materia III )



Probably two major pieces (like body, pants, head, boots, gloves) are all that is needed to start ak. The drops you get in there are almost as good as darklight. If you can beat the first boss, he drops head stuff usually, then there is a chest with jewelry pieces before you get to demon wall. The wall drops pants, boots and gloves, and the dragon at the end drops body pieces (generally for all of those).




Wanderer's is fun. Decent lvl 55 gear to help you with AK if you are having trouble with AK and are tired of CM. The tonberry king drops a cool shield. The bosses are easy. It is a refreshing run to give you an opportunity to make a little progress.

If you want to take a certain tone with me and I can find an appropriate use for it back at you, then yes, it's highly possible you might find it sent back your way. It's something I've picked up from reading posters in The Asylum board here on Zam, years ago. No hard feelings intended.



With some of the stories people throw out there, I don't think it's unreasonable speculation that they put it in just to shut down horror stories of "OMG, this guy didn't even do his class quests before getting into queue, he's just a FATE-leveled moron!" (I've definitely heard this one once or twice.)