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#1 Oct 08 2013 at 7:05 AM Rating: Decent
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I was in Duty Finder as a MRD, tanking Toto-Rak, one of my first real tanking jobs. I made it clear that I was new and would need a little guidance. The party said no problem, shouldn't be too hard. So, Ill admit here and I did there, after a few pulls, that I am having trouble hitting the right buttons at the right time. Sometimes hitting the wrong button because I think I have another option pulled up. Sometimes I let the mages get hit because I hit the wrong button or couldn't pull out of a menu fast enough to Tomahawk the monster. Etc., etc., No one died, and we completed the mission but toward the end I said, "I'm sorry, this PS3 controller is a little harder to get used too in a real combat situation, tanking to keep people alive. Its something I am still getting used too."

Then one of them said "I wouldn't openly admit that." I asked what, thinking it was my lack of skill and he said "that you are a PS3 user. there is some animosity between the two groups. Just don't tell people."

Really? I know that the PS3 lags and won't load stuff and is inferior to most PC users but is it really that bad to where I shouldn't admit I use the PS3?

I guess my question is, what is this all about? Anyone know, should I play in fear because I use the PS3 85% of the time? I don't understand.
#2 Oct 08 2013 at 7:10 AM Rating: Good
Later on, especially in CM speedruns and what not, the cutscenes take longer to load on the ps3. So you get left behind and people complain you aren't keeping up with the pace. There are others who are obsessed with teamspeak and such and they can't comprehend that you probably have a pc capable of running such a program right near the ps3. Those are the major sticking points for most people that feel they are part of the pc master race.

As for the controller, short of healer, I actually prefer it over the keyboard. Once you get used to it, you can hammer out skills from hotbar to hotbar in no time.
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It's the same thing that hit the PC versus PS2 in FFXI. PC users eventually had access to better graphics and a whole goodie bag of (slightly illegal) third party plugins. The PS2 and the Xbox also performed poorly in large group settings.

I don't think it's a stigma and you need to keep it a secret, but you should accept you'll have somewhat inferior performance on PS3 compared to the top end gaming PCs.

PS4 should solve many of the issues. Starting next year just say "I'm on Playstation" and leave it at that. Smiley: laugh
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#4 Oct 08 2013 at 7:20 AM Rating: Decent
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Long story short, no, you're fine playing on whatever thing you want to play on.

But on anything significant that requires you to be either a tank or a healer, playing on the PC is a LOT smoother, easier, quicker and well... flatout better for the group.

Targeting people and monsters with the mouse is simply quicker than trying to toggle between them on your controller. There's more options for communication as well unless you wanna set a laptop next to you for Teamspeak or so. Quicker loading times for cutscenes, better graphics, less stuttering when a lot of people are on the screen and surprisingly easier to move around with a keyboard with a mouse too. And a far far far bigger Hotbar for abilities.

I'm not telling you not to play on the PS3, and i dont feel anyone rightly should, but there's a valid reason for people to prefer PC players for endgame dungeons and fights over PS3 players.

You could always just take up a DD job, then none of all that matters.
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#5 Oct 08 2013 at 8:16 AM Rating: Decent
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My friend plays a Warrior tank, he is on the PS3, and to this point he is the best tank I have ran with and one of the top tanks in our FC. And from being at his house watching him play I really haven't noticed all that much of a difference as far as actual game play and I play on a pretty high end PC. I've actually considered buying the PS3 version just so I can play more cause I really don't think its going to make or break you.

I wouldn't worry about it too much, if someone ridicules you for playing on a PS, they are most likely just an idiot. Its all about practice so just keep practicing, that way it becomes second nature so when **** hits the fan your not hitting the wrong buttons.
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#6 Oct 08 2013 at 8:19 AM Rating: Good
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Thanks. I played 1.0 so I have the PC and like it. I actually was going to make a decision what things needed to be on the PC and what I could pull off on the PS3. So far, the PS3 does great all but large scale FATES. However, I have not do the high level stuff yet even though I have a BRD level 50 and DRG level 40.

I have a laptop that I use for Mumble in the FC, if I feel like talking or am in a group event. So that's not an issue. Its not like Ill be invited to team speak in a DF group, will I?

I was planning on getting a PS4 for FFXIV, FFXV, and KH3. So that's all good. I just don't think it should matter but, whatever. I was a PS2 FFXI user forever and a **** good WHM too. No one ever said a thing about it. Lets hope I can do that in FFXIV too.

Anyway, so it doesn't sound like a real issue anyway. My FC is cool with it and Ill be doing endgame with them anyway, they don't seem the type to kick me because I wasted a few seconds loading a CS...
#7 Oct 08 2013 at 8:37 AM Rating: Good
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Some of the best player I play with, are in PS3. I my self prefer to play with a controller. It is much easier to do button memory than keyboard. The main complain on PS3 player is only speed runs, people that want to do dungeons in 30 mins or less. PS3 players take longer to load and skip cut scenes so SR players don't like to have PS3 on their parties since it takes longer and slow down the group.

I have not play as a tank, but I can see been a little slow picking up Mobs. But that is just practice, you should be find with anything else since you can create some good Macros to mark and set chat commands to the group. With some practice I can change hot bars real fast with my controller.
#8 Oct 08 2013 at 8:55 AM Rating: Excellent
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PS3 users do have the option of greatly decreasing load times by putting in an SSD. It'll also improve overall performance. I strongly recommend it for PC players, too.
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#9 Oct 08 2013 at 10:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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PS3 users do have the option of greatly decreasing load times by putting in an SSD. It'll also improve overall performance. I strongly recommend it for PC players, too.


I agree with Cat, a SSD was a solid upgrade for me. As someone stated earlier, PC users don't like the fact that the PS3 version is slower to load between cutscenes. Now with a SSD, I'm no longer last to finish which can fool people into thinking you play on the PC. Of course they can figure it out if they check you, but you can bluff a bit. On top of that, laggy events like Fates and 8 man runs with tons of explosions don't lag me out anymore. This is so important because dying due to "PS3 limitations" is one of the reasons we get so much hate. It's like " why didn't you avoid that AoE you dumbass". Sometimes it's not our fault so a SSD helps with this tremendously.

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I'm not sure if the PS4 version will resolve the hatred towards console players. I really think it's more about PC superiority *cough elitism* than anything else. Nobody is arguing the PC version looks nicer, but graphics aren't everything. I'm hoping the touch interface on the PS4 allows Yoshi to give us a better UI more in line with the PC version.


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#10 Oct 08 2013 at 11:44 AM Rating: Excellent
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Montsegurnephcreep wrote:
Later on, especially in CM speedruns and what not, the cutscenes take longer to load on the ps3. So you get left behind and people complain you aren't keeping up with the pace. There are others who are obsessed with teamspeak and such and they can't comprehend that you probably have a pc capable of running such a program right near the ps3. Those are the major sticking points for most people that feel they are part of the pc master race.


I agree with this. It's mostly people who are grumpy from running CM too many times. These people are usually jerks to everyone though, not just PS3 users. Speedrunning is it's own problem though. Smiley: lol

To the OP, I wouldn't get too upset about it. The controller does take some getting used to. And even if the targeting on PS3 is a little bit slower in general, most fights don't require super fast twitch target switching anyway. After doing a dungeon once or twice, you'll know what you need to target and when you need to target it. That knowledge can really slow down a fight for you. Just keep your XHotbar clean and organized and you should be fine!
#11 Oct 08 2013 at 2:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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Alright guys, I am now convinced to get an SSD for my PS3. If (...when) I get a PS4 then I can always use that same SSD if it does not already come stock with solid state storage.

I know somehow a PS4 will find its way into my home, even if I don't ever plan on getting one. Like how I own both a wii and a ps3, a 3ds, a psp, and now a wii u. Consoles purchases just...happen.
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#12 Oct 08 2013 at 2:22 PM Rating: Decent
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I play on both but I will say generally speaking a lotta the time when groups aren't going so well and the person in question that's holding us up never types I assume more than not it's a PS3 player too lazy to plug in a keyboard to communicate. >.>
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#13 Oct 08 2013 at 2:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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Valeforelacky wrote:
I play on both but I will say generally speaking a lotta the time when groups aren't going so well and the person in question that's holding us up never types I assume more than not it's a PS3 player too lazy to plug in a keyboard to communicate. >.>


As a ps3er between fights I enjoy chatting it up but during encounters my fingers are doing the left/right trigger dance. Not going to get much more out of me than perhaps a /yes lest I lose attack speed. So perhaps less "laziness" than it is handcuffed to the controller.
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I assume more than not it's a PS3 player too lazy to plug in a keyboard to communicate. >.>


Even as a PC player, communicating in combat via keyboard means I have to stop doing what I'm doing. For the several seconds I'm typing, I'm not moving out of things and not healing/doing my rotation/whatever.

I will generally choose to just not bother unless it's something that absolutely has to be said and can't wait... usually it's "get this thing off me" though I'm generally not so nice about it in combat
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I don't know if there's a feud but I've seen plenty of Free Companies that advertise with "no PS3 players".

My friend is playing on the PS3 version and he does fine though.
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#16 Oct 08 2013 at 3:36 PM Rating: Good
There will always be people who say method A is better than method B. I do play on PC, but I use a 360 controller (Whm/Pld), and while there are a few more handy tricks and shortcuts for using a keyboard (Like the mouseover healing macros, etc)... it is easily attainable to be good at your class regardless of how you play.

There are plenty of filter options for the controller, that once understood, help immensly in being able to seperately target mobs, vs players. The only issue that I've run into was trying to cycle through multiple mobs, and this is actually an issue with both KB as well as Controller (if you are using the Tab targetting on a KB, if you use Mouse to target I'm sure there is no issue). From what I've noticed though its barely a difference in time, unless you get the wrong target quite often. (I generally have enough time to get my next target picked out, for a heal or aero, before th GCD is even ready).

As for the responding, I rarely see any groups that are pugged, who communicate. Every so often you get a few people who say hello at the start of a dungeon, then its quiet the remainder of the time up to the final boss fight...which is then just a simple "Anyone not know this fight"... but I've even seen that not said, and a tank or dps just rush in to start a fight.

I like the idea of adding a 'speed run' check box, so I never have to click it.
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#17 Oct 08 2013 at 8:21 PM Rating: Default
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It's a performance thing. People who are suprsrs about endgame raiding in large groups are concerned that PS3 players performance(graphics, not player) will hold them back from being as efficient as possible. XIV elitists. They do indeed exist.

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It's a performance thing. People who are suprsrs about endgame raiding in large groups are concerned that PS3 players performance(graphics, not player) will hold them back from being as efficient as possible. XIV elitists. They do indeed exist.



One man's elitistism is another woman's dead end boyfriend.

Fine... fine...

Nature of the beast I suppose.
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A 750GB SSD? The sheer amount of nerdgasm... I mean, my entire room is soaked Smiley: laugh
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The big fat circle thingy in the middle is a dead giveaway that it's a platter, not a solid state drive.

SSD drives are essentially giant SDHC cards with a SATA III port on the end. They use Flash memory instead of spinning platters to store the data. They're down to under a dollar a gigabyte, which is the value point for rewriteable storage. (Gosh, I remember ten years ago when platters went down to under a dollar a gig... it was wonderful.)

You can get a 1 TB SSD for $600 now. That's.... really tempting.
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#23ShadowofaDoubt, Posted: Oct 09 2013 at 1:04 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) All bow to your pc overlords
#24ShadowofaDoubt, Posted: Oct 09 2013 at 1:04 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) All bow to your pc overlords
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For targeting in regards to Tanks or Healers... Couldn't you always just use a mouse with ps3?
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#26 Oct 09 2013 at 5:02 AM Rating: Good
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Considering they have no way of finding out if you use PS3 or not, I say go join FCs even if they forbid Ps3 players.
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