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#1 Oct 09 2013 at 2:31 AM Rating: Default
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ok when i played on PS3 the only time i seen lag was when a lot of playes or enemes were on screen at once (large fates) in otherwords only under the types of conditions that youd fully expect to see lag. When doing small scale stuff like dungeons there was never ny lag.


Now on laptop however, although graphically it looks better. it doesnt seem to run as well. i.e not only do I get lag in large fates and stuff (which is expected) but i also get it in 4 man dungeons, which NEVER happened on ps3. the lag is so bad that we fought a boss and i noticed everyone run in and just start standing still. so im wondering why everyone just ran in to look at the boss. About 5 secs later everyone moving around the screen quickly and flashes of light are everywhere and about 10% of his HP is down


Is ether a reason the almighty pc is having a problem that 7 year old piece of hardware isnt having? Also ill note that the ps3 is connected wired to the net while laptop is wireless but even then the laptop isnt even 5 feet away from the router. at 5 feet wireless should be n much different than a wired connection performance wise right?
#2 Oct 09 2013 at 2:43 AM Rating: Excellent
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DuoMaxwellxx wrote:
Also ill note that the ps3 is connected wired to the net while laptop is wireless but even then the laptop isnt even 5 feet away from the router. at 5 feet wireless should be n much different than a wired connection performance wise right?


Comparing wired to wireless is like comparing a Rolex with a Swatch. No matter how fancy you WLAN router is, wired is always best.
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#3 Oct 09 2013 at 9:16 AM Rating: Excellent
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When discussing PC performance issues, it's important to note the specs. PC's range from a $200 netbook to a several thousand dollar high end gaming rig.

DuoMaxwellxx wrote:
Also ill note that the ps3 is connected wired to the net while laptop is wireless but even then the laptop isnt even 5 feet away from the router. at 5 feet wireless should be n much different than a wired connection performance wise right?


As Solomon mentioned, always go with a wired network connection if possible. Considering your're 5 ft from the router, just use a patch cable.


Edited, Oct 9th 2013 11:18am by Pickins
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#4 Oct 09 2013 at 10:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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Laptops and desktops are different beasts. I have a work Core i7 laptop that won't even run the FFXIV benchmark because it's a business machine and doesn't have a dedicated video card, just the Intel 4000 chipset. My home PC is built as a gaming rig and runs XIV seamlessly, flawlessly, with no lag that isn't server side (which has hit me exactly once since the game launched when I was on botanist near Bent Branch.) But I have 1. a wired connection 2. a beefy processor and decent dedicated graphics card and 3. a solid state drive. The home workstation was built to play games. My work laptop, which I'm on right now, was built to do work - Excel, PowerPoint, SQL Server Studio, Outlook, Lync... etc. It can run some games but it was never designed for games from the ground up like my workstation at home was.

TL;DR - Not all PCs are built equally. Also, wireless connections are going to suck.
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#5 Oct 09 2013 at 11:00 AM Rating: Default
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well my laptop is a gaming laptop gets 10k-11k score on benchmark (closer to 11k on laptop high settings and 10k on max settings). it cost about $2300. As far as specs go:

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PC SPEC (specInfo)
CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4700MQ CPU @ 2.40GHz
MB: Notebook (P17SM)
RAM: 32687mb
HDD: 931gb (TOSHIBA MQ01ABD100)
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780M
Sound: NVIDIA Virtual Audio Device (Wave Extensible) (WDM)
OS: Windows 8 (9200)
Scr: Default Monitor



Edited, Oct 9th 2013 12:01pm by DuoMaxwellxx
#6 Oct 09 2013 at 11:05 AM Rating: Good
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Other than not having an SSD, I don't see anything in the specs that would be weak enough to cause lag (and the SSD would only really help with loading zones/characters).

It's likely either your wireless connection or just lag server side, which does happen around prime-time.

Edit: This is barring any software/OS issues, which are very difficult to diagnose without access to the machine.

Edited, Oct 9th 2013 1:07pm by Pickins
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#7 Oct 09 2013 at 11:07 AM Rating: Decent
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SolomonGrundy wrote:
DuoMaxwellxx wrote:
Also ill note that the ps3 is connected wired to the net while laptop is wireless but even then the laptop isnt even 5 feet away from the router. at 5 feet wireless should be n much different than a wired connection performance wise right?


Comparing wired to wireless is like comparing a Rolex with a Swatch. No matter how fancy you WLAN router is, wired is always best.


While wired is certainly better, this is an oversimplification.

Modern wireless is far beyond capable of both the speed and low latency required for gaming. The only universal advantage of a wired network is speed, which has no impact on most users as most users exclusively use their network for Internet access, and wifi speeds are faster than Internet speeds.

For example, if you have a 25 mbps (megabit per second) Internet connection, and a wireless-N router with a max speed of 300 mbps, the limiting factor is the Internet connection. The most recent wifi tech (Wireless-AC) has a maximum theoretical speed of 1.3 gbps, which is faster than even Google Fibre.

The major downside to wireless routers is the interference from other devices. This is especially a factor with cheaper equipment on the 2.4 GHz spectrum. If you live in a highly populated place, this will often cause lag as your signal competes with dozens of others. One viable solution is to upgrade both your WLAN router and your device's wifi adapter to work on the 5 GHz band instead. Unlike 2.4 GHz, the 5 GHz band is generally quite empty.

I recently gave up my wired connection for wifi due to reorganization of my basement. I was worried so I tested the wired vs wifi on SpeedTest. I had the exact same latency (19ms) on both. I tried the test 6 times at different times of day and the results were always similar. I use 5 GHz adapter and a dual band router.
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#8 Oct 09 2013 at 12:09 PM Rating: Good
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That assumes someone actually has "modern" wireless - I once met a very tech savvy retired Silicon Valley guy who had an ancient first gen wireless NAT box thingy connected to his cable modem. It only had one antenna. If more than two people tried to use wireless at once, it choked and kicked everyone off from the collisions.

I make it a point to harass AT&T for a new wireless modem/router every few years, and since I buy the box instead of renting them, they're usually happy to oblige. Compare that to an ancient Charter modem I once had.... I was renting it, and they didn't bother to replace it until it died. It was seven years old at the time, and we had our wireless router hooked up to it separately because all-in-one wireless wasn't a thing when it came out.

Given the specs of Duo's laptop, I am inclined to agree with the wireless being the probable cause. A simple solution is 10 feet of CAT5 cable.

Edited, Oct 9th 2013 2:11pm by Catwho
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#9 Oct 09 2013 at 12:25 PM Rating: Decent
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Catwho wrote:
That assumes someone actually has "modern" wireless - I once met a very tech savvy retired Silicon Valley guy who had an ancient first gen wireless NAT box thingy connected to his cable modem. It only had one antenna. If more than two people tried to use wireless at once, it choked and kicked everyone off from the collisions.

I make it a point to harass AT&T for a new wireless modem/router every few years, and since I buy the box instead of renting them, they're usually happy to oblige. Compare that to an ancient Charter modem I once had.... I was renting it, and they didn't bother to replace it until it died. It was seven years old at the time, and we had our wireless router hooked up to it separately because all-in-one wireless wasn't a thing when it came out.

Given the specs of Duo's laptop, I am inclined to agree with the wireless being the probable cause. A simple solution is 10 feet of CAT5 cable.

Edited, Oct 9th 2013 2:11pm by Catwho


*Shudder*

I don't know what AT&T supplies, but here in Canada I use Bell and they supply one of the WORST modem/wifi router combos in existence! For YEARS they supplied a Wireless G box that might as well have "latency" and "needs to be restarted daily" written on it. I liked it a lot better when they only supplied a modem and it was the customer's job to supply the wireless router if they wanted one.

Easy solution - buy a half-decent router, plug it into an ethernet port on the supplied router/modem, use that for WiFi and never suffer again! When I bought my house I splurged on a $150 router with dual band antennas (which was pretty new 3 years ago) and it's been fantastic ever since. I've never had to restart it and I've never had the slightest bit of interference on 5 GHz channel 149..

Back to the original post - could be the culprit, but we'd never know without testing.
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#10 Oct 09 2013 at 2:16 PM Rating: Default
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ok then Ill give my network info:

my laptop uses a

Wireless Network: Sager - Intel® Dual Band AC 7260 802.11 A/AC/B/G/N 2.4/5.0GHz + Bluetooth™ 4.0 (SKU - WIFI94)

the wireless router Im using is a:

WRT160N Version 3

the router I might get will be a

http://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-Wireless-Router-Gigabit-WNDR3700/dp/B002HWRJY4

or

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0081H8TRA

so based on that is my router the issue? also is the router in the first link more than enough while the second would just be overkill?

lastly does getting an uber router help at all if the modem youre ISP provides isnt equally as good? i.e a router than can transfer gbps isnt useful if your ISP speed caps out at about 1mpds, right?
#11 Oct 09 2013 at 2:42 PM Rating: Good
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Plug your PC directly to your router via Cat 5/6/6a and see if you are still experiencing lag. If so (and if your PS3 experiences no lag when wired to the same router), then you can eliminate it as the culprit.

As for gigabit, that will only help you transfer files quickly between computers on your LAN; it should have no bearing on your internet speed, which is almost certainly not gigabit class.

Edited, Oct 9th 2013 4:44pm by Pickins
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#12 Oct 09 2013 at 2:45 PM Rating: Good
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Correct, an overkill router isn't going to help you much if your ISP is bad. But a bad wireless router can conversely kill a pretty decent Internet connection. Who is your ISP?

Why not just get a $10 CAT5 cable and run that from your modem to your laptop? Probably cheaper than getting a whole new router.
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#13 Oct 09 2013 at 3:54 PM Rating: Excellent
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Catwho wrote:
Correct, an overkill router isn't going to help you much if your ISP is bad. But a bad wireless router can conversely kill a pretty decent Internet connection. Who is your ISP?

Why not just get a $10 CAT5 cable and run that from your modem to your laptop? Probably cheaper than getting a whole new router.


This is what I did - all building built in Switzerland for the last 40-50 years are reinforced concrete pours that will kill your wireless network dead. I bought a high grade 5 metre ethernet cable and this is the result. Smiley: cool

http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3023507326

I pay for it by experiencing a worse customer service than Square Enix though.

Edited, Oct 9th 2013 6:00pm by SolomonGrundy
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#14 Oct 09 2013 at 4:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Catwho wrote:
Correct, an overkill router isn't going to help you much if your ISP is bad. But a bad wireless router can conversely kill a pretty decent Internet connection. Who is your ISP?

Why not just get a $10 CAT5 cable and run that from your modem to your laptop? Probably cheaper than getting a whole new router.



my ISP is comcast. as for why not get a cat5 cable.. thats because i thought ALL ethernet cables were CAT5.. i thought cat5 was the official.technical name for broadband ethernet cables
#15 Oct 09 2013 at 4:39 PM Rating: Good
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DuoMaxwellxx wrote:
Catwho wrote:
Correct, an overkill router isn't going to help you much if your ISP is bad. But a bad wireless router can conversely kill a pretty decent Internet connection. Who is your ISP?

Why not just get a $10 CAT5 cable and run that from your modem to your laptop? Probably cheaper than getting a whole new router.



my ISP is comcast. as for why not get a cat5 cable.. thats because i thought ALL ethernet cables were CAT5.. i thought cat5 was the official.technical name for broadband ethernet cables


Not so. In fact cat5 is just about the cheapest ethernet cable you can have that will work on a consumer-class router.

cat5 is good enough, though cat6 will support gigabit speeds if your router can do that (odds are your internet connection can't do that, so it's liable not to make a giant difference)
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#16 Oct 09 2013 at 6:27 PM Rating: Excellent
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it cost about $2300.

Why is your laptop now $700 less expensive than the last time you bragged about it?
#17 Oct 10 2013 at 12:22 AM Rating: Default
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Caesura wrote:
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it cost about $2300.

Why is your laptop now $700 less expensive than the last time you bragged about it?




i dont recall "bragging" about it and that other pruce was a rounding... good to see how you can come i nto a post and post off topic/troll and get Excellent rating for it though
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