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#77 Oct 21 2013 at 4:29 AM Rating: Decent
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I must admit, as a paladin, I abandoned a DF party today for my first time. We were only about 10 minutes in, but it was already a disaster. The whm was admittedly drunk, and would do nothing for periods of time while people died. I left because we literally had no chance of winning, and I knew I would get a better party after 15 minutes.

I was right, and breezed to victory with my next party.


Why didnt you drink too then? Probably you would have used the same strategy as the whm, which would lead to a sucsessful run? You never know until you try it out. . . :-P
( Have not left a party yet, but i would definitely if people get too rude. )
#78 Oct 21 2013 at 4:32 AM Rating: Default
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I said fake casual players because that is what it is. Two to four hours is a normal player. It was a normal player back in 2003. Linkshells had players from all time zones for players that did two to four hours. You set up events for the players to get gear and items they needed. Casual to me is 15 to 30 minutes. Adults played the games then and now. They had wives, husbands, and kids. They had boyfriends and girlfriends.

It takes time to do anything you want to do. Fake casual players take advantage of games. Leveling to the top fast and getting all the gear in a week. Screaming no endgame and screaming a role sucks because they rushed through the roles. Every MMO seems to go this route and ruin their games. With FF14, it would not bother me if I have to play, as I like. The fake casual have set the standards now that you have to go by their standards.

Do you really think people will pay monthly for a bad community? They are not allowed to play as they please. Part of it being a bad community is making the game mostly solo until dungeons for the main story or endgame. A real casual player could careless about the endgame in the game period. They rarely touch the games. They still always have fun and let you have fun with them.
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Thayos wrote:


I must admit, as a paladin, I abandoned a DF party today for my first time. We were only about 10 minutes in, but it was already a disaster. The whm was admittedly drunk, and would do nothing for periods of time while people died. I left because we literally had no chance of winning, and I knew I would get a better party after 15 minutes.

I was right, and breezed to victory with my next party.

Exactly, sometimes you just know that people wont be able to get past a dungeon. And just because you as a Paladin happen to come to that conclusion first that time and left first, you would be deemed a "princess tank"? Such rubbish.

I've not left a lot of runs myself. Nor do i overly care about people's classes/jobs and/or gear. But sometimes you just have to know when to call it quits. It's usually not the tank's fault, or anyone's really.

I've tanked plenty of AK runs since i hit the 50's. The last couple of weeks with a relic weapon even, but that shouldnt make me a "Princess Tank" when during or after the first Tentacle boss i come to realize that we're barely putting a dent in the trash mobs, taking 3-4 times as long on them as i would have liked. Or even people not focussing and hitting whatever, where-ever they can. The first person to leave after putting one and one together and coming to the conclusion that this group is NEVER going to be able to get past Demonwall, no matter how much coordinating and effort you would put into it, is apparently automatically deemed as the "badguy" here in the topic.

Tanks, (and while we're at it, other members), dont leave parties because they dont like a little effort and challenge in their groups, they leave because (1) the group isn't going to be able to beat the dungeon no matter how much work is put in, or (2) someone in the party is being a major **** about something and the entire atmosphere is ruined because of it.

Just because you as a Tank would be able to instantly queue into another group, and the remaining members would not be able to do the same, shouldnt mean that you arent allowed to leave a party if something isn't to your liking. What kind of a world do people think we live in where we'd basicly be told to "suck it up" and be forced to stay in a group to wipe 5-6 times before it all falls apart, when you could easily see this comming.
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#80 Oct 21 2013 at 6:10 AM Rating: Good
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On a slightly princess tank related topic.

Dyed my PLD's armor pink
Did level 30 brayflox long step all weekend to go from 30 to 35 and help 40 + people finish their first clears.
Gained a full suit of the tank armor from there.

Princess tank .....doing it right.
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Tubrudi wrote:
Just had myself a nice run in with one of these princess tanks, calls himself Dash Berlin. I queued up for WP and got into a group where the tank and DD left the second they found out it's the other two's first time in WP. Princess over here decided to not be helpful at all, and yell at everyone when things go wrong, even though they probably have no idea what to even do due to being new to it.

God, a vote-kick feature can't come soon enough...


Actually, that sounds about right for Dash "Cash" Berlin Smiley: lol (He's a trance producer and he was mocked for requesting the highest amount any DJ has ever asked for to play at Armin Van Buuren's ASOT *50 party, earning him a lot of scorn and derision from other DJs for having an inflated opinion of his own worth.)

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Tanks, (and while we're at it, other members), dont leave parties because they dont like a little effort and challenge in their groups, they leave because (1) the group isn't going to be able to beat the dungeon no matter how much work is put in, or (2) someone in the party is being a major **** about something and the entire atmosphere is ruined because of it.


And when a group goes on to win a dungeon after the tank has left, with or without a replacement, it just goes to show the tank was being a princess after all.

On Kirin: Kirin was hard in 2004. Kirin was much less hard in 2006. Kirin was a joke by 2008. At that point, the hardest part of beating Kirin was getting everyone past the pot room.

But Kirin was hard, hard, hard in 2004, because people hadn't figured out how to beat him before he started spawning babies yet. That meant a PLD or two kiting him around while he spawned the other four gods in succession and one alliance beat down on those. Once the babies were dead, the alliance would reform and start picking away at him. By 2006 players had discovered that his defenses were really not so bad if you could pin him down, and the standard setup was BRD x3 WHM x3 DDx11 with a RDM chainspell stunner. WHMs used Benediction as soon as Kirin 2-houred, and the alliance continued to beat him down. Whole thing took less than a minute.

The gear difference between 2004 and 2008 cannot be stressed enough. More people actually had {sky} gear, {sea} gear, and Dynamis/Limbus gear. ToAU gear greatly improved the base level for players as well. So what was a cakewalk for a single alliance in 2008 was really, really tough in 2004.

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#82 Oct 21 2013 at 9:27 AM Rating: Decent
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I mean, is this the first online game some of you have played? Did none of you play WoW? People are ****** like huge ****** and elitest jerks who think they are better then everyone else and don't give two ***** about helping people out, get over it.

I ran a dungeon the other night with a so called "Princess" tank in Darkhold. I just ignored his stupid *** and he stfu after awhile and we cleared the dungeon.

Like really, if you run into a **** in game, just ignore him or drop group or whatever you have to do, move on, and write if off as a bad experience. Honestly, IMO, by letting it bother you so much, your just letting them win.

Here's a tip, turn you general chat, or shout, or whatever its called off unless you really need it for something. Then you don't see all the stupid **** people are asking for. The only thing I have on in my chat box is LS and FC chat. Like I really don't see this so called Plague that everyone is talking about, but its probably because I only talk to people in my FC and don't let random asshat strangers I don't know effect me that much.

And now I'm going to go out on a limb and be a huge **** myself, and you can all flame me for it, but I am soo sick of hearing about FFXI, not just on here but in game also. I'm pretty sure the game we are playing is called FFXIV. I get it, FFXI was the hardest game ever, its like walking uphill in 320078955646796078543000 feet of snow to school and nothing will ever compare to it, super, cool story. "Like OMG you think Titan HM is hard????? U Should have tried Ilidan or Lich King HM LOLZ, now that's HM OMG nubckaes!!!! stupid casuals and your hand out epics" (and now enter the OMG Lich King was not hard crowd) I watched a friend try to play FFXI, and honestly, it looked horrid and he dropped it after about a month. It could be just me, but I think the majority of the world doesn't want another super grind mode game, and unfortunately the majority rules. Hate me if you want, but guess what, its a new game, and I think its an awesome game, so get over it. I'm sorry if this offended you, but I felt the need to get it off my chest.
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#83 Oct 21 2013 at 9:37 AM Rating: Decent
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You ***** about this game like you hate it, yet you paid for an account to post here to eliminate ads (meaning that you want to spend time here)... But you're not trolling. Oh, and you're stunned by the fact that people don't greet you with welcome arms when you compare the game to FFXI... but yet that's how you post. I don't think it's you comparing the game. I think it's you. You need to realize that your posts are virtual garbage, useless whining, utter wastes of digital space. That's more why you are receiving a backlash.


Woah a new Troll has joined us while I was away. Hi there! Your post is super amusing. :D

Start out the post with, "I was not trying to troll."

Then you immediately post a video that only a true troll has in their video library. "Oh, no you didn't!" Snap a Z girl. Bam!

The post then takes a nose dive, starting out with, "You ***** about.... blah blah blah - TLDR".

Anyway, thanks for joining in here. We were getting light on trolls and it's always more fun when someone is spewing hateful nonsense that you have to dodge.

AHHHHHH! Watch out for the AoE nonsense - Don't stand in the red circle of gibberish!

So ya, you just started my Monday off with a big laugh. Thanks so much! :)
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Jeskradha wrote:
And now I'm going to go out on a limb and be a huge **** myself, and you can all flame me for it, but I am soo sick of hearing about FFXI, not just on here but in game also. I'm pretty sure the game we are playing is called FFXIV. I get it, FFXI was the hardest game ever, its like walking uphill in 320078955646796078543000 feet of snow to school and nothing will ever compare to it, super, cool story. "Like OMG you think Titan HM is hard????? U Should have tried Ilidan or Lich King HM LOLZ, now that's HM OMG nubckaes!!!! stupid casuals and your hand out epics" (and now enter the OMG Lich King was not hard crowd) I watched a friend try to play FFXI, and honestly, it looked horrid and he dropped it after about a month. It could be just me, but I think the majority of the world doesn't want another super grind mode game, and unfortunately the majority rules. Hate me if you want, but guess what, its a new game, and I think its an awesome game, so get over it. I'm sorry if this offended you, but I felt the need to get it off my chest.


Not offended and it's a valid point to bring up. FFXI keeps popping up because some of us ate, slept, lived, and breathed that game for years on end. I still log on a couple times a week to work on storyline stuff and hang out with friends.

It's hard to stop thinking about and comparing to something that dominated your life for a significant portion of your twenties.
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#85 Oct 21 2013 at 11:07 AM Rating: Excellent
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Not offended and it's a valid point to bring up. FFXI keeps popping up because some of us ate, slept, lived, and breathed that game for years on end. I still log on a couple times a week to work on storyline stuff and hang out with friends.


I did that too. I'm not playing that game anymore.

While I realize that comparisons are inevitable, the sheer magnitude of false equivalency that goes on between FFXI and FFXIV is staggering. For instance... just because both weapons are called "relic" does not make them the same. They're different games, the term was just re-used.

For the record, here are some other terms that have been re-used and mean something different now:
- Materia
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- Limit Break
- Weapon Skill
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Jeskradha wrote:

And now I'm going to go out on a limb and be a huge **** myself, and you can all flame me for it, but I am soo sick of hearing about FFXI,


agree. not sure why some people feel the need to reference FFXI constantly, in some cases making complete non-sequitor posts.

also sort of on topic, the most fun i had in dungeons was in the first weeks, in DF groups where no one knew what to expect because there were no guides or no one had read them. much more satisfying and way more fun.
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Catwho wrote:

Not offended and it's a valid point to bring up. FFXI keeps popping up because some of us ate, slept, lived, and breathed that game for years on end. I still log on a couple times a week to work on storyline stuff and hang out with friends.

It's hard to stop thinking about and comparing to something that dominated your life for a significant portion of your twenties.


Yeah, Me and a friend who played WoW together were discussing the fact that its like almost impossible to play a MMO any more and not subconsciously compare it to WoW in some way. I'm the same way with WoW, it pretty much dominated 7 years of my life for the most part.


Archmage Callinon wrote:

While I realize that comparisons are inevitable, the sheer magnitude of false equivalency that goes on between FFXI and FFXIV is staggering. For instance... just because both weapons are called "relic" does not make them the same. They're different games, the term was just re-used.


I think this is probably what bothers me the most. Like, its not the same game, ugh, I dunno, I was also in a ***** mood this morning and then reading through this tread there is like 5000 posts about FFXI.

I guess what bothers me the most is I really like this game a lot and it gets annoying watching people rip it cause they zerged to end game in 2 days and they are bored now or because they are longing for some re vamp of an old game they used to play. Like I did CM and Prea for the first time last night and even though it was through the DF and I skipped the majority of the CS, which I don't care cause I'll just watch them later, it was the most fun I've had in an MMO in a long long time, like since Burning Crusade.
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I hate to break it to you, but there was nothing hard about FFXI or any other MMO back in the day. Once you amassed the people needed for said event, things were a cakewalk. People will say that was the challenge, finding these people, but the game itself was not challenging. Time wasting? You betcha, hard, no.

The only reason gear was "hard" to obtain is because they put ridiculous limits on what could be done in a certain amount of time with most events. Dynamis, Salvage, Kings, etc. Even Sky, only reason you wasted so much time is because there was only one NM for each item, then a 15 min timer in between gods. Limiting the number of runs you could in X amount of time.


That's not true either. FFXI's content was mostly affected by those things, but you're forgetting the long drawn out fights with kiting Kirin. It makes Titan HM look like a cakewalk by comparison. Odin, AV, PW, content like 6-4 airship before they nerfed it. None of those things listed had to do with finding people. Those fights were freaking hard, no way around it. I could list more, but I've proved you wrong already so I'll stop.


Uh, no. Kirin was long, not hard. Time != difficulty.

You kited Kirin... and that was hard how? You ran around a *gigantic* arena that gave you more than enough time to run away from anything he casts, you're out of melee range so you didn't have to worry about any of his TP moves, and your only danger (Sleep) was easily combated by a WHM / RDM running ahead of you and removing it or using a poison pot. The rest of your group literally zerged the **** out of the lesser gods when they spawned and then you whittled Kirin down. With all the kiting damage on him was slow and there was zero possibility of losing hate since you didn't take much/any damage (therefore CE eventually capped), and the time between their attacks allowed their VE to decay.

Not to mention, in the rare event you died (healer's asleep at the wheel apparently) there's one or two others to pick up your slack until you're raised and can go again. Infinite re-tries!

So....what's "hard" again? Not falling asleep, that's what.

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Who the **** lost to Kirin, ever? 6-4 took about two tries. AV was beaten easily once they moddified how she worked, same with PW. AV was never meant to be taken down initially. Again, hardest time I had with these fights was finding time to farm the pop items. They're all the same as the XIV primals, gimmicky, but with pop requirements. People find the primals easy cause you can spam them 100 times in a day. Do the same for any FFXI mob and I can assure you'd be saying, man this is easy, I know exactly when PW is gonna do this next atk.


You really don't want me to answer this question. Kirin was a very hard endgame boss for the majority of FFXI linkshells. It wasn't until they began to burn him down did he get easier for the majority of the playerbase. As someone who kited Kirin for hours even with pre-nerf Rangers trying to take him down, Kirin days sucked. You can't tell me that fighting Titan is harder than Kirin? If you wipe, you simply reset and try again with full life and no downtime. If you wiped with Kirin, you probably had it stolen or worse had to zombie it.


So... Kirin was hard... but we zerged him with some mythological game change? Either something's hard or it isn't. And Kirin wasn't hard. Again, time != difficulty. If you wiped on Kirin and you were kiting you were *bad*.

Tank changes to block mechanics doesn't change the difficulty of the fight; it simply changes how you go about fighting him.

You've continued to try to herald FFXI as difficult but it wasn't. It never has been, and never will be, because it was created around an aged platform even at the time and made possible with the lowest common denominator. When the 'difficulty' comes with maximizing your gearsets and not any moves from the bosses themselves (just Stun/Head ****/Spiral Lunge/etc. until DR *OR* use a Z-axis check to completely bypass 99% of the mechanics!) it isn't difficult.

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AV and PW were never easily beaten either, not at the lv75 cap. Please don't alter history to win an argument with someone else. Maybe your LS did well on these HNM, but that was the exception, not the rule.


Uh, yes they were. Once changed they were defeated within a week. PW was a big grats, but AV no one gave a sh*t about because it was years past and the opinion was "Meh".

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FFXI mobs would be easier too if you had unlimited chances per day to win. The fact you don't so your point is moot and dismissed.


"I'm trying to make a comparison that doesn't work, but since I know it doesn't work I'll just go ahead and preemptively state any counterpoint you do is invalid."

Newsflash: FFXI had the same thing for **** near everything considering you could bring as many healers as you wanted for anything non-instanced. Near wipe? Why not just kite the damned thing around until you've recovered? Same thing, different mechanic -- infinite retries.

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You're putting words in my mouth. I won't be bullied by you. I'm done, go fight with someone else.


Someone not agreeing with you isn't "bullying you".

Grow up.

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#89 Oct 21 2013 at 2:40 PM Rating: Good
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Grow up. Hahaha. This thread is great.

With a name like Princess Tanks, what could go wrong?!

EDIT: Catwho, btw I totally get your thread. Good advice you are giving too.

Just want to drink tequila in the RAAAAIN!

Pants on fire.

Edited, Oct 21st 2013 4:42pm by Gnu
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Queen EmmanuellaLima wrote:

That's because games are dumbed down for fake casual players. No such thing as a casual player, when FF11 started people worked and had kids. US games that are dumbed down for the US players that want it all now. Relic and AF in 3 weeks times for most players. Something that would take months or years on the first MMO. People basically make it seem like garbage gear.



Ahh the good ole days of EQ1`. You do know its still around right? I miss games like them too but do not want to go back to 1990 graphics.
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Cat pretty much hit the nail on the head.

Gear cannot really be stressed enough in FFXI. It was difficult in 2004 to do Kirin. I remember the first time I went to fight him. I was with a JP LS. This was when Tu'lia had Ullikummi up for hours on end unclaimed. We popped him, got rolled in 5 minutes, and called it a day. The alliance leader(s) knew what to do..it was just hard to convey and we only had one shot.

Gear made it possible to zerg Kirin making him trivial.

The same can be said of Divine Might. It was very difficult to do in 2005 where you didn't have 17 BLMs nuking the sh*t out of them. I remember doing it the hard way and..it was hard (yet rewarding). The sheer amount of coordination required was mind boggling considering you were juggling 5+ mobs at once, kiting two back and forth with a couple of healers and tanks while focusing down 2 in the beginning.

You had to deal with all of the nasty status ailments, huge burst damage, 2 hours, charms, etc. It tested your group's coordination and, yes: individual skill.

After that came PW. I will admit that, though I downed him before the BLU zerg fest came to be, he wasn't terribly difficult: just time consuming. Yes, people had to know what they were doing but by that point, relics were much more common (especially on PLDs) so the fight became trivial.

I'm curious how many of you have actually done PW pre-2008? Certainly I can say not Vietrel: again, him speaking from lack of experience.

I think 6-4 was also a testament to individual skill. You can agree or disagree all you want. The difference between a good PLD or NIN on that fight was as clear as night and day. Same with your healers.

Now outside of that, I cannot really think of many challenging things in 11. Well truth be told I can when we relate it to 14. Soloing some of the AF quests could be a testament to player ability and such. I don't really see any of that in 14.



Tired of hearing 14 and 11 being compared? Too bad. This is a FF game and it has a predecessor. There are so many things taken from 11 in this game...yet there are also a plethora of other aspects taken from many other MMOs. It is not FF 11 v 2.0 but to deny some of the similarities is rather naive.

Many of us miss 11 for many reasons...but one major aspect I have seen appear again and again is the community.

In case you weren't aware, Yoshi seems to be quite the MMO addict and 'hardcore' one at that. As such, it seems he has taken what he has seen as successful additions to other MMORPGs and implemented them here while leaving some of the less appealing aspects out.

Most of us realize that 14 isn't 11 but it doesn't stop us from dreaming fondly of our time spent in Vanadiel.

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I don't really have a serious problem with people talking about FF11, but it does seem like 80% of the time when an argument over something pops up, people are like "OH YEAH WELL IN FF11 blah blah blah " I don't really want to argue over this, I probably shouldn't have brought it up, but I have a strong feeling if I started to bring up WoW comparisons in all of my posts people would probably tell me to stfu, and believe me, I miss the good old days of WoW just as much as you all miss FF11.

Also, I think it would probably be next to impossible to make a Final Fantasy game with out taking something from all of the predecessors. And if they did make a FF with out all the little things everyone loves about it, people would probably burn SE to the ground.

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You kited Kirin... and that was hard how? You ran around a *gigantic* arena that gave you more than enough time to run away from anything he casts


If you had "speedy pants" (e.g. Crimson pants) or shoes, then it was possible to outrun Kirin's attacks. Otherwise, no. It was not that trivial to outrun his ga spells and breath attacks. (PLD could wear Crimson, but not Herald's Gaiters. NIN had night time speedy feet, but a NIN would get one shotted on the first AOE he didn't outrun. Crimson was pretty much it for movement speed for PLD until the ASA pants were added.)

Aaaaaand guess which HNM dropped Crimson pants?
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Square Enix really needs to just sell a FFXI private server already. Charge a monthly/yearly license cost. Make it fully customizable. Then people can nostalgia their hearts out over it.
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I hate to break it to you, but there was nothing hard about FFXI or any other MMO back in the day. Once you amassed the people needed for said event, things were a cakewalk. People will say that was the challenge, finding these people, but the game itself was not challenging. Time wasting? You betcha, hard, no.

The only reason gear was "hard" to obtain is because they put ridiculous limits on what could be done in a certain amount of time with most events. Dynamis, Salvage, Kings, etc. Even Sky, only reason you wasted so much time is because there was only one NM for each item, then a 15 min timer in between gods. Limiting the number of runs you could in X amount of time.


FFXI did require a lot of time, that is a keen observation. The rest of your point is lost to those that know the hardships of the game. You make it seem like finding people was enough and the challenge was nonexistent. I disagree and so will most people who played endgame in the old days.

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Uh, no. Kirin was long, not hard. Time != difficulty.

You kited Kirin... and that was hard how? You ran around a *gigantic* arena that gave you more than enough time to run away from anything he casts, you're out of melee range so you didn't have to worry about any of his TP moves, and your only danger (Sleep) was easily combated by a WHM / RDM running ahead of you and removing it or using a poison pot. The rest of your group literally zerged the **** out of the lesser gods when they spawned and then you whittled Kirin down. With all the kiting damage on him was slow and there was zero possibility of losing hate since you didn't take much/any damage (therefore CE eventually capped), and the time between their attacks allowed their VE to decay.


Hate control was wonky, kiting took forever and by the 100th lap, you can easily make a mistake. Kirin's 2hr could easily murder the entire alliance. Unlike Titan where if you beat the heart, you're going to live though it 100% of the time. No amount of buffs in the old days would give you that kind of protection from Kirin's 2hr.

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Not to mention, in the rare event you died (healer's asleep at the wheel apparently) there's one or two others to pick up your slack until you're raised and can go again. Infinite re-tries!

So....what's "hard" again? Not falling asleep, that's what.


Wrong again Bob. You seem to forget that people used to steal these mobs. Sure you could potentially try again on most mobs if you could retain claim, but odds are you lost it to another LS. There are no infinite tries from where I sit. Plus these mobs depop if you lose aggro for too long.


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So... Kirin was hard... but we zerged him with some mythological game change? Either something's hard or it isn't. And Kirin wasn't hard. Again, time != difficulty. If you wiped on Kirin and you were kiting you were *bad*.


Yeah, sure whatever you say. You didn't zerg Kirin in 2004. It wasn't until much later. Unless you're going to claim you're part of the movement that started zerging him? Either way, it wasn't done that way by 99% of LS's so it's moot.

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You've continued to try to herald FFXI as difficult but it wasn't. It never has been, and never will be, because it was created around an aged platform even at the time and made possible with the lowest common denominator. When the 'difficulty' comes with maximizing your gearsets and not any moves from the bosses themselves (just Stun/Head ****/Spiral Lunge/etc. until DR *OR* use a Z-axis check to completely bypass 99% of the mechanics!) it isn't difficult.


Considering how wrong you are about everything so far, I don't believe a word you say. You're clearly living on another plane of reality.

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Someone not agreeing with you isn't "bullying you".

Grow up.

Edited, Oct 21st 2013 4:18pm by Viertel


Yeah, it's ok to take the words of someone out of context to make a point. I'm not surprised you're defending another douche.

Grow up??? Yeah, real classy.
#96 Oct 21 2013 at 8:03 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah, it's ok to take the words of someone out of context to make a point. I'm not surprised you're defending another douche.

Grow up??? Yeah, real classy.


Now now, I didn't agree with you, but I didn't resort to childish name calling either. Who's the bully now!?
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Any tank worth their weight in salt will "lead" a party. Every tank has hte same basic expectations, and if they're not being met, it's their job to explain what they want to the other members.
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#98 Oct 22 2013 at 6:36 AM Rating: Default
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Call me a "Princess" all you want! If you are in a dungeon level 30 or higher and you still don't know your job GTFO. I am not here to teach you how to play the game. As a WHM I can just drop the group and get a better one. If you are spanking my sleep targets, pulling hate over and over, not keeping hate, NOT USING YOUR GD COOL DOWNS (tanks I am looking at you), Or just plain disrupting the group I am going to say something and there is a good chance I will drop the party if I need to!

I was in a group today that did all the above at once. The 2 dps thought they where off tanks and smacked all of my sleep targets. The tank could only keep hate on one target at a time and had no GD idea what a cool down was. then to top it off I explain a boss fight to them letting them know I will be sleeping the boss when the add spawns and the **** tank stays on the boss for the full fight stopping me from casting sleep on it and forcing me to heal the dps who where off tanking the add. The add dies with me at 1/3 mana shortly after one of our dps dies from a cone aoe attack and starts asking for a rez wile the tank was getting his *** handed to him because he did not use any cool downs at all ever! I run out of mana after heal tanking the boss when the tank went down and we all die!

I am sorry but if dropping that group with a "You are all bad bad bad players!" Makes me a "princess" I will gladly take that title!
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The incident in the OP was in a level 20 dungeon. So, yeah.
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#100 Oct 22 2013 at 6:47 AM Rating: Decent
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Catwho wrote:
The incident in the OP was in a level 20 dungeon. So, yeah.


Im not so much talking about the OP incident as I am ranting about the last group I was just in. I never had a problem at level 20 to tell the truth. It was not till Haukke Manor level 28ish that people not knowing there job really started to shine and started to get on my nerves!
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I agree that by the level 30 dungeons folks ought to have a handle on what they need to do. By Haukke Manor, they've had to go through at least four dungeons in the main scenario (the three tutorial dungeons and Toto Rok) so they can't be totally ignorant of their role.

As a tank or healer, or even as a fellow DPS, if you have someone who is being a moron in your group, give them a few chances before you give up entirely.

Also, if someone admits they screwed up and apologizes, it's really rude to leave anyway.
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