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#27 Oct 23 2013 at 9:39 PM Rating: Good
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I failed a few times on this as a MRD tank, once you get over level and the gear to go with, it's not so bad.
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#28 Oct 23 2013 at 11:47 PM Rating: Good
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Aborted after my first try tonight. Our tank was taking so much damage I ran out of MP on the first boss. And he was a paladin! 1500 HP but he was dropping down to half health on two hits.

After we failed that first boss, the tank and one DPS left. The other DPS tried for another tank after a few minutes, but when our third DPS joined us and saw we had no tank, he suggested we just give up.

Going to get another level or two under my belt before I try this again, and hope for a less MP spongey tank next time.


This on your Balmung character?
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Aborted after my first try tonight. Our tank was taking so much damage I ran out of MP on the first boss. And he was a paladin! 1500 HP but he was dropping down to half health on two hits.

After we failed that first boss, the tank and one DPS left. The other DPS tried for another tank after a few minutes, but when our third DPS joined us and saw we had no tank, he suggested we just give up.

Going to get another level or two under my belt before I try this again, and hope for a less MP spongey tank next time.


There's a few tanks I've noticed who like to wear DoW gear, as opposed to the scale/plate that's available (and in the case of plate, exclusive to GLD/MRD/PLD/WAR).

Obviously the scale and plate have oodles more defense than typical DoW gear, which basically is leather in terms of defensive power (on par with DoM gear). Which, therein lies the rub; any DoW can wear the DoW gear, and GLD/MRD/PLD/WAR can and do roll on that stuff. The problem is when they try to tank with it.
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#30 Oct 24 2013 at 12:24 AM Rating: Good
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I had so many bad experiences in brayflox I leveled a tank to see why it was so hard. Turns out it is just about being a good tank. I just tell my groups on aiatar that I will tank it along the wall, please stay along same wall and behind boss. Then I dodge breath and move dragon out of poison.

No issues there. Brayflox is a story dungeon tho, so you get lots of tanks who only tank when they have to for missions and often wear leather.


For sunken temple first boss you just tank on the tiles. Every time glowing tile lights up you move to it. Aoe doom completely negated. I even ask my dps not to bother with position attacks that take them off tile so they don't tunnel vision and die from doom. If they can manage to stack on glowing tile, the only mechanic left is kill bees. Pretty simple then.
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It's more of a tank check than anything else, side order of being a healer check as well... for DPS it's more just make it dead and don't step in puddles of anything painful and follow the big annoying dragon.

It's also the first point where we really struggled with the whole latency and red areas dodging issue - it's the first real point apart from self destructing bombs where if you don't dodge pain happens.
#32 Oct 24 2013 at 3:28 AM Rating: Good
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Catwho wrote:
Aborted after my first try tonight. Our tank was taking so much damage I ran out of MP on the first boss. And he was a paladin! 1500 HP but he was dropping down to half health on two hits.

After we failed that first boss, the tank and one DPS left. The other DPS tried for another tank after a few minutes, but when our third DPS joined us and saw we had no tank, he suggested we just give up.

Going to get another level or two under my belt before I try this again, and hope for a less MP spongey tank next time.


When healing this or tanking this, I've found that the first boss deals so much spike damage. Even with cooldowns popped and +1 gear on PLD, I'd still get hit quite hard on the first boss. I wouldn't quite have to spam physick on SCH but couldn't really take my attention away from the tank for longer than a few seconds before I noticed his HP dropping. Make sure to keep an eye on your tank's buff bar throughout the fight to see if he is actually popping cooldowns/popping them at appropriate times.

Are you a SCH or WHM? The last boss shouldn't be too much of an issue on SCH due to aetherflow but I've seen many WHMs go OOM because the dragon either gets healed (causing the fight to go on longer than it should) or the tank is eating every conal attack. After tanking it, I'd say the conal attack is pretty fast (kinda like the speed of Titan's plumes) and is a steep learning curve for the tank.

Edit: I see you're a CNJ/WHM. Do you keep ethers or hi-ethers on hand? Might be worth the investment for the last guy.

Edited, Oct 24th 2013 8:18am by HitomeOfBismarck
#33 Oct 24 2013 at 6:14 AM Rating: Default
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Ethers arent needed as a whm. I have done this dungeon 40+ times as a pld and 10+ times as a whm. It is 999% about the tank having gear and being able to duck, dodge, dive, and dodge. I can tell you that with a full suit of gear from this dungeon, your tank will be so easy to heal that your average WHM will be at 50%+ mp by the end of the fight.

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#34 Oct 24 2013 at 6:38 AM Rating: Good
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I did the same. I still say the Battlemage Hat, Feet, and Legs are a myth Smiley: bah


Wrong! I have the full battlemage set on my WHM, but I am convinced that the infantry body and feet are a myth!
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#35 Oct 24 2013 at 6:56 AM Rating: Good
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I did the same. I still say the Battlemage Hat, Feet, and Legs are a myth Smiley: bah



Had the hat drop in the final boss treasure chest.
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Naw, this was on my Lamia gal (where I've been spending most of my time since that's where all my RL friends are.) On WHM. I have ethers macro'd since I get them for free, but I suppose I should look into hi-ethers since regular ethers aren't cutting it any more.

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I did the same. I still say the Battlemage Hat, Feet, and Legs are a myth Smiley: bah



Had the hat drop in the final boss treasure chest.


Really? I thought the hat was for Hellbender (or whatever the **** it's name is) before the final boss.
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#38 Oct 24 2013 at 8:02 AM Rating: Good
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Wint wrote:
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I did the same. I still say the Battlemage Hat, Feet, and Legs are a myth Smiley: bah



Had the hat drop in the final boss treasure chest.


Really? I thought the hat was for Hellbender (or whatever the **** it's name is) before the final boss.

Had the hat drop right before the last boss on two consecutive runs lol. Took the first one, passed the second. And those were the only runs I've done.
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#39 Oct 24 2013 at 8:38 AM Rating: Good
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LebargeX wrote:
Wint wrote:
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I did the same. I still say the Battlemage Hat, Feet, and Legs are a myth Smiley: bah



Had the hat drop in the final boss treasure chest.


Really? I thought the hat was for Hellbender (or whatever the **** it's name is) before the final boss.

Had the hat drop right before the last boss on two consecutive runs lol. Took the first one, passed the second. And those were the only runs I've done.



Wint: It could have been a fight before the boss but I think it was the final boss, either way it dropped.
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I ran it several times a day for 2 weeks solid and never saw any of those 3 pieces Smiley: banghead
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#41 Oct 24 2013 at 9:38 AM Rating: Decent
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got my battlemage set in a few tries.....except the legs...15 runs later and i still havent seen any **** legs.
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The adds on the first boss fight are sleepable, Reposing one or two is a good way to reduce the damage in the add phases. Save Presence of Mind for the 4-add wave. Be sure to Esuna the poisons, they do significantly more damage on the first boss fight than Aiatar's poison.

I got the lost piece of Battlemage on my second-to-last Brayflox run while leveling my third DoM class; maybe 30 total runs since I leveled WHM/SCH almost exclusively in DF.

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#43 Oct 24 2013 at 10:59 AM Rating: Good
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Yeah I was trying to esuna whenever I had an opportunity, but if I took the target off the tank for more than one round to esuna or cure anyone else in the party, he was down to 200 hit points. Smiley: eek I ran out of MP just trying to keep him from dying.

After our princess unprepared probably wrongly geared tank and the other DPS left, the remaining DPS agreed that he'd never seen a PLD take that much damage before.
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#44 Oct 24 2013 at 11:08 AM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah I was trying to esuna whenever I had an opportunity, but if I took the target off the tank for more than one round to esuna or cure anyone else in the party, he was down to 200 hit points. Smiley: eek I ran out of MP just trying to keep him from dying.

After our princess unprepared probably wrongly geared tank and the other DPS left, the remaining DPS agreed that he'd never seen a PLD take that much damage before.

Yeah, appart from refusing to move and continuously standing in the stupid, there's no reason he s/b taking dmg like that.
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#45 Oct 24 2013 at 11:36 AM Rating: Good
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Honestly he was probably not dodging the frontal ae on the bird. I can tank 3 adds + pelican fine, just need to dodge the ae.
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Wint wrote:
I ran it several times a day for 2 weeks solid and never saw any of those 3 pieces Smiley: banghead


I managed to get the full Battlemage set fairly quickly, so I'm surprised you're struggling. I'd recommend going as a healer to get them. If you're lucky and there's no other casters in the DPS slots, the mage gear is all yours. Smiley: wink
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Every run has been has a healer lol.
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yeah its RNG plain and simple, i find it odd how many people in this game specifically, say "X dropped first time for me, can't believe you've gone 0/38 on it"


also, all this talk of lower level dungeons is making me want to go run some on my PLD again. instead i will be going easymode as i level BRD

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Every run has been has a healer lol.


Oh ****, maybe I was just lucky then. I had no idea it was such a struggle.
#50 Oct 24 2013 at 2:21 PM Rating: Decent
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Urgh, my personal experience has led me to loathe a dungeon I once loved.

Levelling WHM (my second class) I decided to only level fron 32 to 35 using Brayflox in order to maximise my chances of getting the full Battlemage set. Not only did I not get any of it due to the place being full of DoM Damage Dealers, its full of over-confident under-able players, who more often than not, also have severe attitude problems.

I always start the dungeon by stating that I like to sleep mobs to reduce my healing load and ask that everyone tries not to wake slept mobs if possible. I also ask the tank to mark mobs as it tends to keep the DDs attacking the right thing and allows me to sleep what I can without wasting time/MP. I find that for a 3-mob group I can sleep 2 before the tank needs healing, at which point I can throw out some DPS and keep an eye on the slept stuff to make sure it stays that way.

However, DDs seem to attack things at random and everyone seems to take offence when I politely ask them to stop waking stuff. I once had a tank respond 'But I can cope with it', to which I replied, 'Yeah, but its mainly to make my life easier'. Poof - gone, rage quit over that, before the 2nd boss too! I started refusing to heal DDs that woke sleeping mobs, thinking it might help them learn to focus on the correct target, sadly, it doesn't seem to work and just makes the whole thing longer, so I've stopped.

Personally, I think this dungeon is a bit of a difficulty spike, and players that have got by so far despite being poor are now running into problems.

Disclaimer: Yes, I've made/make mistakes and am still learning WHM. Yes, I've had fantastic groups where we ran through without a problem. No, I don't think its my lack of ability that's cause these problems, as I'm having very few with Qarn, despite not getting any gear upgraded since I started Brayflox...
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I did the same. I still say the Battlemage Hat, Feet, and Legs are a myth Smiley: bah


Wrong! I have the full battlemage set on my WHM, but I am convinced that the infantry body and feet are a myth!
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I did the same. I still say the Battlemage Hat, Feet, and Legs are a myth Smiley: bah



Had the hat drop in the final boss treasure chest.


Managed to attain the shirt, belt and hat.

Legs? Never seen it drop.

Not sure but may of even got my lancer ring inside there.
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