I've actually taken to using DF more for my WP/AK/Primal runs since the 2.05 patch, as people are generally friendlier and less caring about someone making a mistake or whatnot. In addition, a good deal of people have already run these instances on another job, so there's less and less experienced players by the day. I honestly don't care if we're done in 15 or 30, it's less painful. I'm not here to stress, i'm here to enjoy.
Glad I'm not the only one.
I will almost always jump on my healer and DF instead of looking at Revenant's Toll shouts because I have seen so much unwarranted elitism in those groups. I mean, it's one thing if you act elitist and actually have the stuff to back it up. More often than not, I've seen this rampant elitism in people who just suck at what they do and really have no room to talk at all.
On average, WP takes a DF group ~23 minutes it seems. I've done the speed runs with my FC which makes it around 15-17 minutes. I have yet to see any of these alleged elite groups manage that because they always end up wiping on a big pull. And then they'll start pointing fingers, placing blame elsewhere, etc.
Two of the multiple 23 minute runs were with a paladin using a level 1 ring and another paladin using full AF. Both paladins were 110% better than any random server PUG paladin I've run with. I was quite impressed.
Would you rather spend 6 extra minutes in a stress-free run with amiable people? Or would you prefer to be in a group with antsy players with a high probability of wiping, making the run take longer in the end?
I was hoping the patch, with better incentives for WP, would weed out some of the asshats from CM and Praetorium but it does not seem to be the case. :\ Thayos experienced it, a crafting friend of mine who just hit 50 experienced it today, and 3 other people over the weekend that I have talked to have also had this problem. Edited, Oct 28th 2013 2:28am by HitomeOfBismarck