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PC Gamer ARR Review up... not so greatFollow

#1 Nov 06 2013 at 5:07 PM Rating: Good
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http://www.pcgamer.com/review/final-fantasy-14-a-realm-reborn-review/

The text review is pretty good although lacking in depth, but the score doesn't seem to match. Seems the main points of contention are that it's a sub based model and the grind.

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More interesting than the review... the "comment trolls" seem to be "trolling" (in quotes because there are no actual trolls, yet) PCG instead of a FF game, in fact a lot of folks are defending it even one's who don't play.



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#2 Nov 06 2013 at 5:24 PM Rating: Decent
79 isn't bad considering the hate they've had on for XIV in the past.
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#3 Nov 06 2013 at 6:00 PM Rating: Default
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The need to do these reviews again a year from now considering, well, it's a MMO and all...
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#5 Nov 06 2013 at 6:05 PM Rating: Excellent
79? Big deal.

The number that matters more is 1.5 million... even more important than that is that SE is posting profits again.
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#6 Nov 06 2013 at 6:15 PM Rating: Good
When the cons are grind and old business model, that's still pretty good. Overall, I think the majority agrees that p2p is the way to go if you can pump out enough content over a few months. As for the grind, it's what I expect from an MMO, or an RPG. When it's not there, people complain even faster that they have nothing do.
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#7 Nov 06 2013 at 6:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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As for the grind, it's what I expect from an MMO, or an RPG.


Exactly.

Plus -- and I can't say this enough -- this is Final Fantasy, not Angry Birds. This entire franchise is built upon fun grinding... we're a fan base RAISED on the joy of progressing our characters.
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#8 Nov 06 2013 at 6:22 PM Rating: Good
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The complaints from the Critics is Grindy and anOld Business Model....The Complaints from the Players is the Community. I'd say that the review score is slightly biased since this is the same site that gave Mists of Pandaria a 90 right after launch and the general consensus from the ZAM and MMO-C boards are that MoP is/was worse than Cataclysm. Overall - Critics don't make the game great. It's players do.



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#9 Nov 06 2013 at 9:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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Thayos wrote:
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As for the grind, it's what I expect from an MMO, or an RPG.


Exactly.

Plus -- and I can't say this enough -- this is Final Fantasy, not Angry Birds. This entire franchise is built upon fun grinding... we're a fan base RAISED on the joy of progressing our characters.


In FFX I deliberately spent 1-2 hours in between each cutscene leveling up. Near the end of the game I spent a good 20+ hours in the Omega Ruins trying to get the team as overpowered as I could.
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#10 Nov 06 2013 at 9:23 PM Rating: Decent
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GavilrainOfGaruda wrote:
The complaints from the Critics is Grindy and anOld Business Model....The Complaints from the Players is the Community. I'd say that the review score is slightly biased since this is the same site that gave Mists of Pandaria a 90 right after launch and the general consensus from the ZAM and MMO-C boards are that MoP is/was worse than Cataclysm. Overall - Critics don't make the game great. It's players do.


MoP is widely accepted as being better than cataclysm. TBC and WotLK were hard acts to follow.

I almost agree with your last statement, were it not for the fact that some of SE's more harsh critics(myself included), the players, helped to make XIV a 'good' game. We'll save the word great for when we see what comes down the road a bit.
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#11 Nov 06 2013 at 9:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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Thayos wrote:
79? Big deal.
If a C-student can be President ...
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#12 Nov 06 2013 at 10:27 PM Rating: Decent
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If a C-student can be President...


...we would probably still close down the government every 3 months just to tease the rest of the world with economic catastrophe...

just because we can
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30 bucks is almost free

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Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
#13 Nov 06 2013 at 11:20 PM Rating: Good
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Eh, its not a big deal. The overall tone was positive and I agree that there is a bit of a disconnect between the article and the score.

However, its far from a bad score and FFXIV is doing very well.

Most importantly I'm having fun when I have time to log on.
#14 Nov 06 2013 at 11:31 PM Rating: Excellent
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...we would probably still close down the government every 3 months just to tease the rest of the world with economic catastrophe...



This made me LOL!
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#15 Nov 06 2013 at 11:45 PM Rating: Decent
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...we would probably still close down the government every 3 months just to tease the rest of the world with economic catastrophe...


More like make the rest of the world *facepalm* and laugh at republicans.
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#16 Nov 07 2013 at 12:07 AM Rating: Excellent
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Subtracting points off for an "old fashioned business model" is just hilarious. I mean, if that's honestly one of the biggest gripes about the game, they are clearly doing something right.
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#17 Nov 07 2013 at 1:43 AM Rating: Decent
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8/10 is pretty good for a second crack at life. If I had to rate it myself, it would be about the same score with completely different reasons. I don't start at 100 and dock points, I start at 0 and give points for things a game does well. If I had to call attention to things I don't like they'd be things like combat system, HM content in DF, the lack of viable exp via anything other than FATEs(may change soon with dungeon changes) and a general lack of content at endgame.

The rest of my gripes are QoL. Things missing from the UI, community, small annoyances like not being able to interact with NPC while mounted. I'm a bit underwhelmed by the PS3 version too. SE nerfed the PC graphics because they wanted a universal engine, but it's clear they don't perform on the same level. If PS3 performance is going to lag behind PC then I want my textures and shadows back Smiley: oyvey
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#18 Nov 07 2013 at 2:02 AM Rating: Decent
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The only problem I see at the moment is that @50, all I do is running the same two dungeons 10 times a week.
But perhaps the blame is on me, because I play wa~y too much right now. ^^
#19 Nov 07 2013 at 2:05 AM Rating: Good
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I really don't see a problem with 79/100, that's a pretty good score. Remember it's an overall average of a game among a wealth of hundreds of (modern) games, or that's how I see it.
If we were to compare most of the 90's scoring games (and I said most, since this is still all opinion) FFXIV wouldn't even be near it.

Unless you love FFXIV that much but a game where you can have little impact on the world, in my opinion, will never score that high.

I'd be more worried if games reviews for FFXIV averaged below 60.
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And while we are at it, let me list a few things I don't agree with in the review:

"Keyboard and mouse are available too – and necessary for group content"
-> Garbage. Lear to play,mister reviewer.

"The dialogue is a goldmine for nonsense fantasy words"
-> Blame the translators, then, because the Japanese texts are fine - and due to their latent innuendo often quite amusing.

"The problem is that the subscription fee makes that commitment more or less mandatory"
-> The problem is your mindset. If you stuff your belly until you burst at an all-you-can-eat lunch just because it's for free,
and even though it makes you vomit, you're an idiot. And most likely a pretty poor sob.



#21 Nov 07 2013 at 2:41 AM Rating: Decent
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Rinsui wrote:
"Keyboard and mouse are available too – and necessary for group content"
-> Garbage. Lear to play,mister reviewer.

How do you type without a keyboard? To be fair, using a keyboard and mouse is just more precise than a gamepad. I get that people wanna just kick back on their couch sometimes, but it's pretty hard to ignore that keyboard and mouse is superior in terms of precision and control.

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"The problem is that the subscription fee makes that commitment more or less mandatory"
-> The problem is your mindset. If you stuff your belly until you burst at an all-you-can-eat lunch just because it's for free,
and even though it makes you vomit, you're an idiot. And most likely a pretty poor sob.

I'd be lying if I said I hadn't held a subscription for something I didn't feel obligated to take part in for no other reason than the fact that I paid for it. That said, I think that because there are so many (at least as) good MMOs out here that are free, the payment model isn't popular. Yoshi's own personal explanation for their reasoning in using a subscription payment model, increased content, hasn't yet materialized. I think that's a fair beef at least for now.


Edited, Nov 7th 2013 3:42am by FilthMcNasty
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#22 Nov 07 2013 at 2:58 AM Rating: Good
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How do you type without a keyboard? To be fair, using a keyboard and mouse is just more precise than a gamepad. I get that people wanna just kick back on their couch sometimes, but it's pretty hard to ignore that keyboard and mouse is superior in terms of precision and control.


If you're on a PC you can have both, PS3 supports keyboards too. I get by just fine with a controller/KB on my PC (i'm using the 52" LCD in the lounge), the main issue is hotbar access, but it's just a matter of optimizing macros (to consolidate) and hotbars (put things in sensible places). I'd actually argue that character (and camera) control is way more friendly with a controller.
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#23 Nov 07 2013 at 3:47 AM Rating: Good
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I'd actually argue that character (and camera) control is way more friendly with a controller.


I wholeheartedly agree with this. I'd much rather use the controller to move my character but I have to use the kb/m because the hotbar is (imo) a PoS. I don't understand why the kb/m hotbars can't be used with the controller, just set the number of hb's you want linked to the controller directly in combat (the others you can use a mouse or the back button to jump to (like all the other UI elements) and just navigate your allocated hotbars with the DPad, that seems like a simple solution to me.
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#24 Nov 07 2013 at 4:25 AM Rating: Decent
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blowfin wrote:
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How do you type without a keyboard? To be fair, using a keyboard and mouse is just more precise than a gamepad. I get that people wanna just kick back on their couch sometimes, but it's pretty hard to ignore that keyboard and mouse is superior in terms of precision and control.


If you're on a PC you can have both, PS3 supports keyboards too. I get by just fine with a controller/KB on my PC (i'm using the 52" LCD in the lounge), the main issue is hotbar access, but it's just a matter of optimizing macros (to consolidate) and hotbars (put things in sensible places).


Like I said, I get that there are times where you don't notice. If I'm fishing or crafting, you can bet I've got my feet up in the recliner or on the couch. My point was that the reviewers reason was valid. He said you need a keyboard and mouse for group play.

If you're in a group then you're doing something that would benefit from K/M more than a controller. If you're communicating to your group it's easier to use K/M to type rather than constantly putting down and picking up a gamepad. If you need to execute a spell or ability while on the move and you have to keep line of sight, K/M is much easier to use.

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I'd actually argue that character (and camera) control is way more friendly with a controller.


The fact that you can't adjust the camera as quickly or precisely with an analog stick vs an optical mouse would make it a difficult argument for you. To complicate it, you get better camera response and can move at the same time with a single hand. If you tried that on a controller you'd have carpal within a week Smiley: nod

A player's preference is up to them, but it's hard to deny that when necessary; K/M is more efficient and allows you to be more effective.
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#25 Nov 07 2013 at 7:20 AM Rating: Decent
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The review struck me as fair and legitimate and any concerns expressed were perfectly rational except for the "business model" issue which has nothing to do with the game and is a commentary (for or against) how one pays for a game in this genre in general. That it detracts in any way from the number score is odd and, to me anyhow, akin to knocking 10 points off a score because "game box was taped at both ends, difficult to open." It's a comment that condemns the quality of the game itself on the basis of peripheral issues that are related to the game in a general sense but don't have anything to do with the substance of the game in any meaningful way. Frankly the number scores at the end of these reviews detract from the conversation provoked by the review itself and don't really help anyhow but that's a gripe for another wall of text.

It's nice to see that reviewers have, on average, given the game another look and for the most part from what I've seen the reviews have been pretty positive.
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#26 Nov 07 2013 at 7:28 AM Rating: Good
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79? Big deal.
If a C-student can be President ...


I just lol'd in my office... people are looking over wondering what's so funny...

At least I didn't spit coffee all over my monitor? Smiley: grin

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