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#1 Nov 17 2013 at 2:09 AM Rating: Default
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I see ppl shouting for "geared" ppl for things as low as WP and as high as Titan, so Im wondering what count as "geared".. with DCUO each phase of endgame armor had tiers so when ppl shouted for specific things there .. youd know what you were expected to have depending on if they were looking for fully geared T1, T2, T3 etc etc. In FFXIV when I see "lfg geared xxx for WP or AK speedrun" i think "geared" means "best gear possible" but then which aside from alagan would mean relic (or +1) with mythology tome items. Bt then I have to ask myself... why would anyone with relic or relic+1 and full mythology time armor be interested in doing WP?


that being said. Im having difficulty understanding what qualifies as "geared" for each specific dungeon and or fight especially for speedruns. So would anyone like to help me out?
#2 Nov 17 2013 at 3:20 AM Rating: Good
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... why would anyone with relic or relic+1 and full mythology time armor be interested in doing WP?


For all your other jobs who need phil stones for the darklight set. You raise a second job? He will be 50 soon? Nice to have tomes already waiting.
#3 Nov 17 2013 at 6:01 AM Rating: Good
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DuoMaxwellxx wrote:
Im having difficulty understanding what qualifies as "geared" for each specific dungeon and or fight especially for speedruns. So would anyone like to help me out?


Being geared can mean so many different things running from full darklight gear with relic, others are alagan and +1 relic and myth. The only way you will know if you are looking to join any shouts that have a restriction, is ask the one shouting what that is.

To save you from making another post on this topic "Why are people telling me I can't do ak or wp with them because of my af, wp, ak gear?"

When people are comfortably past the content (being forced to run it due to cap restrictions), when doing said content again you are looking for the fastest way to do the content. That includes setting restrictions on who they are running with, yes running those with af, wp and/or ak gear is fine to clear the content it is not ok to use it for doing things that would seem out of the norm. This includes pulling larger groups than what is normal. Such as pulling everything from the beginning of WP to the 1st set of doors before the 1st boss.

If you don't like the restrictions people place when they are setting up the runs and they say you aren't geared enough, simple start your own group or (this is never a option here but being forced to... using the DF to do the content).


The answer to why someone decked out in gear would be running them is answered above, they have other jobs they are gearing up.
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#4 Nov 17 2013 at 8:03 AM Rating: Good
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What qualifies as "geared" is awfully subjective. This is the way it breaks down for what I've seen.

Wanderer's Palace: Typically the people shouting for geared people for this dungeon are usually looking for relics with ilvl70/Ak gear. Sillyhawk explained why. It's all about overgearing to beat the dungeon in the least amount of time.

Titan HM: AK/ilvl70 gear with either a weapon from Ifrit or Garuda. People want to be sure you have the hp to survive stomps/mistakes and do enough damage to get past the heart and end the final phase asap.

#5 Nov 17 2013 at 8:05 AM Rating: Decent
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It's simple geared means full dl or mostly dl.
When you see people shouting for titan and they say geared they still expect you to have full dl or at least half.
Some will say geared relic or +1 simply due to to the fact that a lot of relic people don't have great gear of they just got their relic.

And for people shouting for geared xxx for coil that seems kind of redundant. Since you'll need for DL for coil anyways and a relic.
#6DuoMaxwellxx, Posted: Nov 17 2013 at 10:29 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) you actually cant enter the coil physically, without relic or DL? (by physically i mean the game actially stops you and not player imposed restrictions"?
#7 Nov 17 2013 at 11:07 AM Rating: Good
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DuoMaxwellxx wrote:

As for the poster above you, so according to what you just said... you need better gear for a WP or AK speedrun than you do for Titan, HM which is MUCH harder than AK or WP?


Yes, people will usually want you to have better gear for the WP/AK speed runs than Titan hm.
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Turkey101 wrote:
DuoMaxwellxx wrote:

As for the poster above you, so according to what you just said... you need better gear for a WP or AK speedrun than you do for Titan, HM which is MUCH harder than AK or WP?


Yes, people will usually want you to have better gear for the WP/AK speed runs than Titan hm.




oh well guess Ill never experience a speedrun then due to my disinterest in leveling another jo until thief, ninja and or samurai make an appearance
#9 Nov 17 2013 at 12:47 PM Rating: Good
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When someone says that they want someone who is "geared", they are referring to someone who has: 1) a relic weapon, 2) full darklight, 3) close to full darklight. This is due to the fact that darklight is very straight forward and only requires time to aquire. The hard requirment is the relic weapon, but even this isn't as hard as people make it out to be and depending on the content and runs they want to do, isn't even required.

In the case of coil, "geared" means 1) a relic weapon, 2) FULL darklight or better (with some exceptions). This dungeon was designed with these pieces of gear in mind and is very difficult. People who don't have this level of gear don't have any business being in coil. As elitist as that may sound, it is what it is and i don't put runs together to fail. If you don't bother to gear up properly not only are you making it harder on yourself, but for the other 7 people who did take the time to get what they needed.

Now, there are varying arguments based on skill being a factor that makes up for gear, but no one can see your skill. They can however see your gear, and someone who IS geared shows what kind of person they are. If there skilled or not remains to be seen, but at least thats one thing that no one has to worry about.

Theres another argument on the time it takes it get gear. Honestly, it shouldn't take you any longer to get your DPS gear then it would take a tank. Don't be afraid to shout for a non-speed run. In fact, you might even have people with high gear join and help you. Shout for what you need and other people in your situation will join as well. You can run dungeons over and over without that pesky duty finder waiting time.
#10 Nov 17 2013 at 12:56 PM Rating: Good
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DuoMaxwellxx wrote:
domice wrote:
It's simple geared means full dl or mostly dl.
When you see people shouting for titan and they say geared they still expect you to have full dl or at least half.
Some will say geared relic or +1 simply due to to the fact that a lot of relic people don't have great gear of they just got their relic.

And for people shouting for geared xxx for coil that seems kind of redundant. Since you'll need for DL for coil anyways and a relic.




you actually cant enter the coil physically, without relic or DL? (by physically i mean the game actially stops you and not player imposed restrictions"?



As for the poster above you, so according to what you just said... you need better gear for a WP or AK speedrun than you do for Titan, HM which is MUCH harder than AK or WP?

from what I can tell, no one wants someone wearing artifact and a fresh lvl 50 wespon on AK which I can understand considering most AF armor is under Il 50, whereas AK drops Il 60 stuff, and WP drops il 55 stuff, so the way I see it is for z normal WP run il50 stuff will suffice whereas il55 will put you at "equal" stadards to WP (seeing as WP drops that kinda stuff) whereas for AK il 55 is whats needed to do it "sufficiently" while you constantly farm AK to get a full set of il 60 gear (which drops there) and in the mean time use whatever philo tomes you get in the process to but towards darklight.

Does that sound about right?


Technically no but kinda, you can't do coil until you beat titan to unlock the quest. And most people don't do titan unless they are on the relic quest which walks you through to coil. players won't invite you do it if no relic cuz you won't be able to help the party in fact you will hurt the party

Edited, Nov 17th 2013 2:01pm by domice
#11 Nov 17 2013 at 1:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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Depends what they're shouting for.

Geared for Titan usually means Ifrit's/Garuda's weapon and full DL. Many just go with AK drops, though, due to lack of finding full DL people.

Geared for WP means quite a few things:

1) If they are looking for geared players but do not specify speed runs, ask them first. Generally, 'geared' for WP just means relic weapon and DL gear

2) If they specify speed runs and are looking for a PLD, they probably expect you to have full DL + relic + AF2. I personally prefer warriors when healing and DPSing speed runs in WP.

There are two (kind of three) pulls in WP that usually test the strength of your healer, DPS, and tank.

A) The very first one where you pull all the way past the stairs in the beginning so you have 2x tonberries + 2x birds + beetles + the 3 way one which is tonberry/bird/something else..maybe pugil. This pull will determine if your group can do speedy speed runs or average speed runs. Your healer needs to be awake, your PLD needs to have a decent HP pool (obtained with full DL and relic), and your DPS need to do very high AoE damage without pulling threat.

B) The pull midway through where you grab the skeletons + ghosts + 2 tonberries. Also a very intense pull.

C) Sometimes, the pull at the end where you pull the 3 cluster + 2 tonberries. It's not too stressful if you've made it past the previous two mainly because you have AoE LB at your disposal if you need it for this one. I've found it to be more useful on this pull than on the actual boss.


It actually used to have 4 stressful pulls but people have quickly realized that if you kill the tonberry guarding the first door and sleep the rest of the mobs, you can run to the boss, engage him, and have the rest of the mobs be locked out negating any need to AoE down that pack.




This is why you will often see people shouting for BRDs or BLMs. BRDs are used to replenish the PLD's MP pool between huge pulls because they won't be able to keep up on threat if they can't flash (hence why I prefer warriors). BRDs also have decent AoE yet it cannot be sustained for very long: even with invigorate. They also amplify the BLM's DPS quite a bit during the pull with foe req. BLMs, on the other hand, can AoE until the mobs are dead or they are dead.

Generally speaking, if the BLM doesn't have quelling strikes, he's going to end up dead because 95% of PLDs I've come across have no idea how to use cover or that the ability even exists. Covering a BLM for 12 seconds usually is enough to kill the mobs but without 12 seconds of cover, the BLM will end up dead.

If you see "LF geared BLM/BRD" for WP, they generally want +1 relic, AF2, and DL gear. Can be done with just relic and full DL gear. Healers are generally given more leniency but a full relic and DL healer is preferred.


Speed running AK is still possible and about 5 minutes slower than WP. I would argue it requires more gear for the DPS because you want the bosses to die very quickly. You aren't doing AoE pulls so the PLD can pretty much be in full AK drops and maybe an Ifrit's weapon. Same with the healer. If the third boss isn't dead by the time the 2nd catastrophe hits, it's better to do WP speed running.



And there you have the translations for 'geared'.
#12 Nov 17 2013 at 7:54 PM Rating: Decent
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thanks Hitome, that sums it up quite nicely.

I do have one question regarding IL60 equipment. I see everything but wrists drop in AK... is there any IL60 wrists? if so where are they?
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iLvl 60 wrist does not exist.
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I just DF for WP and AK, people wanting Speed Runs shout for them, and don't let anyone tell you you can't clear the Demon Wall, it's a fun and easy fight I cleared with ilvl 55 AF. I do manily DF WP though, as it's the easier of the two. The first thing I did when finishing the story was get my Ifrit Weapon, before running WP.
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#15 Nov 18 2013 at 12:41 PM Rating: Default
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two other things, one about relic quest.


lets say i have one geared lvl 50 job, then i start the relic quest on another job and get it to the point where you have to do primals, can i do primals on my geared job to get the relic items for my other job or so i have to do it on my other non geared job?

one other thing some ppl shout lfm/lfg relic <job here> for <event here>

while other shouts say lfm/lfg relic/geared <job here> for <event here>

in the first example that only mentions relic an dnot geared g



does that mean theyll take an ungeared (lets say il50 or 55) who only has relic to said event? Now before you say well having relic should be common sense that youre gaered as well so some ppl just ommit the geared part.. to that i say.. with all the primal selling shouts i see daily, surely there AR Eppl out there with il50 or 55 armor but have relic. So would thos eppl be invited to those events that only mention relic but nothing about geared?
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DuoMaxwellxx wrote:
two other things, one about relic quest.


lets say i have one geared lvl 50 job, then i start the relic quest on another job and get it to the point where you have to do primals, can i do primals on my geared job to get the relic items for my other job or so i have to do it on my other non geared job?

one other thing some ppl shout lfm/lfg relic <job here> for <event here>

while other shouts say lfm/lfg relic/geared <job here> for <event here>

in the first example that only mentions relic an dnot geared g



does that mean theyll take an ungeared (lets say il50 or 55) who only has relic to said event? Now before you say well having relic should be common sense that youre gaered as well so some ppl just ommit the geared part.. to that i say.. with all the primal selling shouts i see daily, surely there AR Eppl out there with il50 or 55 armor but have relic. So would thos eppl be invited to those events that only mention relic but nothing about geared?

You have to do the Relic quest on the JOB that you wish to unlock the RELIC for.

Also, titan isnt super hard, none of the primals are. There's no reason you cannot win the fight with a good weapon but with ilvl55 gear. Because simply ilvl55 gear isnt terrible, there just is a lot better gear available. The only reason why you need better gear is if you cannot beat it otherwise. Which for a lot of people is true, and remains true even in a full set of ilvl70...
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You can be either geared for the content, or geared in the past tense, meaning you've already attained what most would generally consider the best gear available to players outside of Coil, which means full DL.
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#18 Nov 18 2013 at 2:02 PM Rating: Good
WP/AK speed run = Full DL and probably some Myth pices or Allagan pieces, Relic(+1)

Regular WP/AK run = Ifrit/Garuda weapon, WP/AK/DL gear.

Titan HM geared = Ifrit/Garuda weapon and full DL, mages can get away with some AK pieces

Coil Turn 1 = Full DL + Relic(+1)

Coil Turn 2 = DL + Myth/Allagan, Relic(+1)
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#19 Nov 18 2013 at 2:20 PM Rating: Good
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KojiroSoma wrote:
DuoMaxwellxx wrote:
two other things, one about relic quest.


lets say i have one geared lvl 50 job, then i start the relic quest on another job and get it to the point where you have to do primals, can i do primals on my geared job to get the relic items for my other job or so i have to do it on my other non geared job?

one other thing some ppl shout lfm/lfg relic <job here> for <event here>

while other shouts say lfm/lfg relic/geared <job here> for <event here>

in the first example that only mentions relic an dnot geared g



does that mean theyll take an ungeared (lets say il50 or 55) who only has relic to said event? Now before you say well having relic should be common sense that youre gaered as well so some ppl just ommit the geared part.. to that i say.. with all the primal selling shouts i see daily, surely there AR Eppl out there with il50 or 55 armor but have relic. So would thos eppl be invited to those events that only mention relic but nothing about geared?

You have to do the Relic quest on the JOB that you wish to unlock the RELIC for.

Also, titan isnt super hard, none of the primals are. There's no reason you cannot win the fight with a good weapon but with ilvl55 gear. Because simply ilvl55 gear isnt terrible, there just is a lot better gear available. The only reason why you need better gear is if you cannot beat it otherwise. Which for a lot of people is true, and remains true even in a full set of ilvl70...


One thing to note is that with full 55 gear you shouldn't be doing titan, for two main reasons as a dps you are going to struggle against the heart. And as for a tank you are going to have well under 5k hp in full 55 gear which means you will have some trouble keeping hate, surviving mountain buster and are going to drain your mages mp trying to keep you at a decent hp to survive stomps and they will pull hate off of you by over healing
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WP/AK speed run = Full DL and probably some Myth pices or Allagan pieces, Relic(+1)

Regular WP/AK run = Ifrit/Garuda weapon, WP/AK/DL gear.

Titan HM geared = Ifrit/Garuda weapon and full DL, mages can get away with some AK pieces

Coil Turn 1 = Full DL + Relic(+1)

Coil Turn 2 = DL + Myth/Allagan, Relic(+1)



that explains what geared is.. which i pretty much already knew from previous posts.. but what no one answered is what about when ppl ask for relic jobs.. but dont mention anything about then having to be geared. so does that mean a il55 with relic could go?
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DuoMaxwellxx wrote:
IKickYoDog wrote:
WP/AK speed run = Full DL and probably some Myth pices or Allagan pieces, Relic(+1)

Regular WP/AK run = Ifrit/Garuda weapon, WP/AK/DL gear.

Titan HM geared = Ifrit/Garuda weapon and full DL, mages can get away with some AK pieces

Coil Turn 1 = Full DL + Relic(+1)

Coil Turn 2 = DL + Myth/Allagan, Relic(+1)



that explains what geared is.. which i pretty much already knew from previous posts.. but what no one answered is what about when ppl ask for relic jobs.. but dont mention anything about then having to be geared. so does that mean a il55 with relic could go?


Nope, if they are asking for relic in whatever event they still expect you to be out of level 55 gear. And what gear they expect you to have just refer to the above post. Rule of thumb anytime people say geared or want geared players or looking for relic jobs they expect you to be full dl or very close to full dl


Edited, Nov 18th 2013 7:28pm by domice
#22 Nov 18 2013 at 6:59 PM Rating: Decent
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heres another qustion if vanya/gryphon skin is supposedly better than dl then why do ppl only shout for dl?
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heres another qustion if vanya/gryphon skin is supposedly better than dl then why do ppl only shout for dl?

Mainly what they are shouting for is ilvl 70 plus gear. Which most folks..ie poor folks will have dl instead of dropping over a million plus gil in crafted gear and materia. Ilvl items will have the same main stats with different secondary stats so it just become a matter of not showing up in anything under ilvl 70
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btw for the relic =1 upgrade is it an actual quest or do i just have to trade the three items and weapon to the right place and i get it without accepting a quest?

if it Is a quest is physically holding 900 myth tomes a prerequisite for unlocking it or can i just buy the items i need everytime I get 300 tomes? It would really suck if i bought 3 before hand only to find out i need to get 900 more to actually hold before they give me the quest lol
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DuoMaxwellxx wrote:
btw for the relic =1 upgrade is it an actual quest or do i just have to trade the three items and weapon to the right place and i get it without accepting a quest?

if it Is a quest is physically holding 900 myth tomes a prerequisite for unlocking it or can i just buy the items i need everytime I get 300 tomes? It would really suck if i bought 3 before hand only to find out i need to get 900 more to actually hold before they give me the quest lol



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It is 'just' a trade. So long as you have three mist, it doesn't matter if you buy them one at a time or all at once.
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