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#27 Nov 18 2013 at 11:38 PM Rating: Decent
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btw which gearset is better mythology tome armor or allagan>?

the stats look similar only difference is until the myth tome armor whre only your job can wear it, with allgan your class can wear it too
#28 Nov 19 2013 at 12:07 AM Rating: Good
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btw which gearset is better mythology tome armor or allagan>?

the stats look similar only difference is until the myth tome armor whre only your job can wear it, with allgan your class can wear it too


Ilvl gear has the same main stats (str vit dex mnd int), it's the secondary stats that are different (crt determination acc ect), so with mythology and coil gear have the same main stats so for each job the best in slot is going to be a mix of both. But since everyone has multiple jobs and mythology is capped you just get whatever comes first and leave it at that.

Example for drg mythology body is better but it's also 895 tomes, and if doing coil you get body to drop it's better to keep allagan body and use tomes for a different job or different slot for cuz the differences between the two is not that big at all.
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WP/AK speed run = Full DL and probably some Myth pices or Allagan pieces, Relic(+1)

Regular WP/AK run = Ifrit/Garuda weapon, WP/AK/DL gear.

Titan HM geared = Ifrit/Garuda weapon and full DL, mages can get away with some AK pieces

Coil Turn 1 = Full DL + Relic(+1)

Coil Turn 2 = DL + Myth/Allagan, Relic(+1)


This is a great and accurate summary of what people are looking for on average for each of those things. I think the important point in this is that it separates "regular" runs from "speed" runs. It's essential not to conflate the two which seems to happen quite a bit where if someone asks for a "geared" player for a speed run, they're accused of being the devil himself for asking for relic +1, and called stupid because you can finish WP with less than that, and they have no idea what the requirements for the dungeon are, and they're elitists, etc... I'm not exaggerating either, though I wish I was, that's basically what happens.

I'll note though that as time moves on I see these people getting tarred and feathered less and less now that the initial mob that had their pitchforks out also has +1 relics... they're suspiciously silent on this outrage now... It's as if they're all busy somewhere speed running WP.


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#30 Nov 19 2013 at 9:07 AM Rating: Excellent
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WP/AK speed run = Full DL and probably some Myth pices or Allagan pieces, Relic(+1)

Regular WP/AK run = Ifrit/Garuda weapon, WP/AK/DL gear.

Titan HM geared = Ifrit/Garuda weapon and full DL, mages can get away with some AK pieces

Coil Turn 1 = Full DL + Relic(+1)

Coil Turn 2 = DL + Myth/Allagan, Relic(+1)



that explains what geared is.. which i pretty much already knew from previous posts.. but what no one answered is what about when ppl ask for relic jobs.. but dont mention anything about then having to be geared. so does that mean a il55 with relic could go?


Hey there Mr Uninformed, it actually did answer your question. If someone shouts for "WP/AK speed run, lf geared BRD" then refer to example #1. If they're shouting for "lf geared PLD for Titan HM" refer to example #3. Maybe if you read more instead of using the forum as your personal diary you'd figure some things out on your own, you know, like the rest of us did.
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#31DuoMaxwellxx, Posted: Nov 19 2013 at 11:16 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) notice how both of your shout examples in that post only mentioned the word "geared" not one mentioned the word relic and only relic.. i.e not "relic/geared" so even if the two shout examples you just gave that still didnt answer my question, however someone ELSE did answer my question clearly:
#32 Nov 19 2013 at 11:25 AM Rating: Excellent
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IKickYoDog wrote:
DuoMaxwellxx wrote:
IKickYoDog wrote:
WP/AK speed run = Full DL and probably some Myth pices or Allagan pieces, Relic(+1)

Regular WP/AK run = Ifrit/Garuda weapon, WP/AK/DL gear.

Titan HM geared = Ifrit/Garuda weapon and full DL, mages can get away with some AK pieces

Coil Turn 1 = Full DL + Relic(+1)

Coil Turn 2 = DL + Myth/Allagan, Relic(+1)



that explains what geared is.. which i pretty much already knew from previous posts.. but what no one answered is what about when ppl ask for relic jobs.. but dont mention anything about then having to be geared. so does that mean a il55 with relic could go?


Hey there Mr Uninformed, it actually did answer your question. If someone shouts for "WP/AK speed run, lf geared BRD" then refer to example #1. If they're shouting for "lf geared PLD for Titan HM" refer to example #3. Maybe if you read more instead of using the forum as your personal diary you'd figure some things out on your own, you know, like the rest of us did.



notice how both of your shout examples in that post only mentioned the word "geared" not one mentioned the word relic and only relic.. i.e not "relic/geared" so even if the two shout examples you just gave that still didnt answer my question, however someone ELSE did answer my question clearly:

"Nope, if they are asking for relic in whatever event they still expect you to be out of level 55 gear. " and "... or looking for relic jobs they expect you to be full dl or very close to full dl "

Now Those answer my question

Also asking question = using the board as a diary? I coulda sworn a diary would be more making big posts about everything i did that day like a blog, not asking question, as for looking things up i probably COULD do that but umm isnt asking questions the point of a message board. I mean if ppl wernt asking questions what else would be happening here? looking at the first page 90% of the threads are questions.


I swear some ppl are never satisfied. I stop "bashing" the game and "complaining" and ask legit questions and people (i.e you) talk **** and I even keep my questions in one thread instead of making a new one for every time i have one and yet, still get treated like ****. Theres one other thing Id love to say but Im sure it would get this thread locked, so Ill keep that one to myself.


First of all, I've remained fairly neutral in my opinion of your and your post history. I've found it annoying all along, but I try not to make such things known publicly as it usually doesn't do any good. However, once you decide to get an attitude when someone tries to help you, then I'm done keeping my thoughts to myself.

In regard to your "your shout examples only mention 'geared' scenarios" comment, I'm glad to see your powers of deduction are still strong. You could easily have taken those examples and then thought to yourself "hmm so if they shout for a relic DRG for AK, what gear would I need?" Then, you could have looked at my post and seen that a normal AK usually requires WP/AK/DL gear and a speed run requires Full DL + better. Sorry I didn't hold your hand and tell you to look both ways before crossing the street on that one.
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#33DuoMaxwellxx, Posted: Nov 19 2013 at 11:58 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) youve remained neutral until now? I hope by now you mean this thread and not the last post you just made, because the post you made before it says:
#34 Nov 19 2013 at 12:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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IKickYoDog wrote:
DuoMaxwellxx wrote:
IKickYoDog wrote:
DuoMaxwellxx wrote:
IKickYoDog wrote:
WP/AK speed run = Full DL and probably some Myth pices or Allagan pieces, Relic(+1)

Regular WP/AK run = Ifrit/Garuda weapon, WP/AK/DL gear.

Titan HM geared = Ifrit/Garuda weapon and full DL, mages can get away with some AK pieces

Coil Turn 1 = Full DL + Relic(+1)

Coil Turn 2 = DL + Myth/Allagan, Relic(+1)



that explains what geared is.. which i pretty much already knew from previous posts.. but what no one answered is what about when ppl ask for relic jobs.. but dont mention anything about then having to be geared. so does that mean a il55 with relic could go?


Hey there Mr Uninformed, it actually did answer your question. If someone shouts for "WP/AK speed run, lf geared BRD" then refer to example #1. If they're shouting for "lf geared PLD for Titan HM" refer to example #3. Maybe if you read more instead of using the forum as your personal diary you'd figure some things out on your own, you know, like the rest of us did.



notice how both of your shout examples in that post only mentioned the word "geared" not one mentioned the word relic and only relic.. i.e not "relic/geared" so even if the two shout examples you just gave that still didnt answer my question, however someone ELSE did answer my question clearly:

"Nope, if they are asking for relic in whatever event they still expect you to be out of level 55 gear. " and "... or looking for relic jobs they expect you to be full dl or very close to full dl "

Now Those answer my question

Also asking question = using the board as a diary? I coulda sworn a diary would be more making big posts about everything i did that day like a blog, not asking question, as for looking things up i probably COULD do that but umm isnt asking questions the point of a message board. I mean if ppl wernt asking questions what else would be happening here? looking at the first page 90% of the threads are questions.


I swear some ppl are never satisfied. I stop "bashing" the game and "complaining" and ask legit questions and people (i.e you) talk **** and I even keep my questions in one thread instead of making a new one for every time i have one and yet, still get treated like ****. Theres one other thing Id love to say but Im sure it would get this thread locked, so Ill keep that one to myself.


First of all, I've remained fairly neutral in my opinion of your and your post history. I've found it annoying all along, but I try not to make such things known publicly as it usually doesn't do any good. However, once you decide to get an attitude when someone tries to help you, then I'm done keeping my thoughts to myself.

In regard to your "your shout examples only mention 'geared' scenarios" comment, I'm glad to see your powers of deduction are still strong. You could easily have taken those examples and then thought to yourself "hmm so if they shout for a relic DRG for AK, what gear would I need?" Then, you could have looked at my post and seen that a normal AK usually requires WP/AK/DL gear and a speed run requires Full DL + better. Sorry I didn't hold your hand and tell you to look both ways before crossing the street on that one.
youve remained neutral until now? I hope by now you mean this thread and not the last post you just made, because the post you made before it says:

"Hey there Mr Uninformed, it actually did answer your question." "Maybe if you read more instead of using the forum as your personal diary you'd figure some things out on your own, you know, like the rest of us did."

and well on my planet thats not called being neutral thats called being an ***, and i know being an *** when i see it, because as anyone who knows me personally could tell you, Im QUITE good at that myself.

only difference between me and everyone else is I dont act like my *** doesnt stink, I will and do gladly admit to anyone that Im an ***, nor do I try to justify it., at least I keep it real.


That's the post I'm referring to. I politely put up a general table of encounters and requirements, then you got an attitude about "I already knew that from other posts but didn't get some answer I was looking for." On my planet, that's being a douche. Especially when the post actually did give the answer you were looking for, even if you're unable to see it. It's also why I'm done posting in your nonsense, introductory level, not paying attention to anything threads. Have fun noobing it up.
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and well on my planet thats not called being neutral thats called being an ***, and i know being an *** when i see it, because as anyone who knows me personally could tell you, Im QUITE good at that myself. Only difference between me and everyone else is I dont act like my *** doesnt stink, I will and do gladly admit to anyone that Im an ***, nor do I try to justify it., at least I keep it real.


This isn't helping your cause and peoples view on the type of person you are, and here you wonder what people think of you and/or your posts.
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#37DuoMaxwellxx, Posted: Nov 19 2013 at 11:10 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) its not meant to help my cause or ppls views on the type of person i am, infact that very quote outlines the type of person i am. Is it gonna get me into anyones good graces? of course not. My issue is ppl act like their *** dont stink at least i know mine does and proudly fling it. Also the "clique" nature of this board. i.e If im a douche to someone I get sub D'd but if one of the "cool kids" from the clique is as douche to me (or anyone else in general) they get Excellents. Hows that fair? Do the cops say if this guy robs a bank its illegal but if THAT guy over there does then its perfectly ok? I believe not.
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No, you get sub-defaulted because you make absolutely no sense, whatever you post is barely comprehensible gibberish, you refuse to read and actually take 5 seconds to understand what you're told, and the general nature of your posts resembles a drunken moron missing 6 fingers typing.

That and you purposely try to act a troll and are very poor at it:

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but anyway back on topic... if your Coil progress is reset every 7 days... that means you have a week to complete all 5 turns? Umm how would anyone with a job/life (i.e 95% of us on this board would seem to fit that description) that works 40 hours a day accomplish that?


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Someone posted this awhile ago, check it out-
http://intothemists.com/ffxiv/chart_for_end_game/
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Someone posted this awhile ago, check it out-
http://intothemists.com/ffxiv/chart_for_end_game/

This is a great resource. Thanks for posting :)
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but anyway back on topic... if your Coil progress is reset every 7 days... that means you have a week to complete all 5 turns? Umm how would anyone with a job/life (i.e 95% of us on this board would seem to fit that description) that works 40 hours a day accomplish that?


I can't tell from this statement but if I had to guess you must be new to this concept of weekly resets and doing content like this.

I've only been in Turn 1 of BC and there is a 90 min timer to clear the turn, I would like to think that it's the same for each turn (can't verify yet as I said only on the 1st turn). There are only 24 hours in any given day of the week not 40 (proof reading before sending the post does wonders).

Let's say with your assumption of job/life that the weekend of off limits due to family/life/job leaving you with the remaining day weekdays. You set aside 1 hour of playtime on those days, as you progress and gear up with doing the content in the time allotted you get better gear and start doing the content faster and faster each time (look at the original question you asked about geared, being geared allows for you to do the content faster if you know the mechanics). I see shouts for groups for BC T1-T4 runs stating they do such content in under 2 hours. Some of these groups are farming 1-4 while working on the mechanics of T5.

The only ones who wouldn't be able to clear the content in one week would be the remaining 5% where they have very limited play time at all due to rl obligations. There will always be a % of people who can't clear the content in that given time. They can either set more time aside to work on the content or only work on it with the time they have leaving them behind in end game progression. Is it fair that people are left behind in progression?? The answer is no, but sadly that is the way of end game progression. You either set the time aside for the content or get left behind without doing it.

I have rated you up in the past as well as rated you down in the past. By me knowing the type of poster you are and you blatantly admit to it I don't rate you down/up based on that knowledge, it's the content of your posts in where it comes to me if I rate your post at all (90% of the time I don't rate you at all).
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I swear some ppl are never satisfied. I stop "bashing" the game and "complaining" and ask legit questions and people (i.e you) talk **** and I even keep my questions in one thread instead of making a new one for every time i have one and yet, still get treated like ****. Theres one other thing Id love to say but Im sure it would get this thread locked, so Ill keep that one to myself.

Your first response to IKickYoDog was "biting the hand that feeds you." It's a bad idea in general, even if you don't like the food, or already had the food and feel like someone is offering you left overs. Just don't do it.

It has nothing to do with what you say about the game, and everything to do with your general attitude and disposition.
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I see shouts for groups for BC T1-T4 runs stating they do such content in under 2 hours. Some of these groups are farming 1-4 while working on the mechanics of T5.


Yeah. Shout runs would take a bit longer as it's not a static group of people that are used to each other and how each works, but even our group (which isn't uber by any means) usually does 1-4 in a little over an hour barring any wipes. Anyone worrying about the 'time' is funny, because even speed running it takes longer to cap 300 myth via WP runs than it does to get through 1-4 once you've gotten experience under your belt.
#44DuoMaxwellxx, Posted: Nov 20 2013 at 10:30 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) lol 40 hours a day.. now THAT made me laugh. Also "posts resembles a drunken moron missing 6 fingers typing." thats the very thing I mean right there, surely theres more mature/adult or classy way you coulda put that. But no you decide to take the low road and get Excellented for it.
#45DuoMaxwellxx, Posted: Nov 20 2013 at 10:38 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) did i read that right? you said you do all 4 turns in an hour? thats like under 20 mins each
#46DuoMaxwellxx, Posted: Nov 20 2013 at 10:50 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) one other thing i unlocked the coil of bahamut last night and notice th emission has the flame icon like main mission/story missions do when you do them.. does that mean there are cutscenes that take place during and after its completion when you beat it? i fit is part of the story does that mean ppl HAVE to have it completed if they intend to continue with the story once new story content comes out?
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Viertel wrote:
SillyHawk wrote:
I see shouts for groups for BC T1-T4 runs stating they do such content in under 2 hours. Some of these groups are farming 1-4 while working on the mechanics of T5.


Yeah. Shout runs would take a bit longer as it's not a static group of people that are used to each other and how each works, but even our group (which isn't uber by any means) usually does 1-4 in a little over an hour barring any wipes. Anyone worrying about the 'time' is funny, because even speed running it takes longer to cap 300 myth via WP runs than it does to get through 1-4 once you've gotten experience under your belt.



did i read that right? you said you do all 4 turns in an hour? thats like under 20 mins each


Yes.

Turn 1 is the longest. Depending on if a healer herp-derps on Cadecus you're looking at about 20~ minutes roughly from start to finish. Better geared groups can probably push it further.

Turn 2 has a hard cap of 12 minutes (clicks) so you're in and out fairly quickly.

Turn 3 is just trash, and all you're required to kill are two golems. The rest you can just space jump away from and they'll leash.

Turn 4 is a maximum of about 7 minutes (6 minutes encounter + 1 enrage about maximum -- while you can heal for a bit longer the tank can't keep up with threat forever with chain casted Medicas being slung about).

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I'm very blessed in that despite our crap luck with drops the people I run with are fairly exceptional damage dealers. One hour's good, but there's better groups that can easily do it within 45~ minutes.
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I'm very blessed in that despite our crap luck with drops the people I run with are fairly exceptional damage dealers. One hour's good, but there's better groups that can easily do it within 45~ minutes.


I'm still trying to figure out the best method for my DRG on Turn 4. I'm Relic +1, DL + Myth head/body. I tend to single-target attack my way through all the phases, as I don't find Heavy Thrust + Ring of Thorns to be TP or damage sufficient. I run with 2 BRDs and a BLM, so my AOE shouldn't be a make-or-break factor. I just want to be as effective as possible. My group has Turn 1-3 on farm mode, but we haven't beaten Turn 4 yet. Hoping we can get over that hump today. Hump DaaayyyyYYYY!
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I'm still trying to figure out the best method for my DRG on Turn 4. I'm Relic +1, DL + Myth head/body. I tend to single-target attack my way through all the phases, as I don't find Heavy Thrust + Ring of Thorns to be TP or damage sufficient. I run with 2 BRDs and a BLM, so my AOE shouldn't be a make-or-break factor. I just want to be as effective as possible. My group has Turn 1-3 on farm mode, but we haven't beaten Turn 4 yet. Hoping we can get over that hump today. Hump DaaayyyyYYYY!


Our group makeup is PLD x 2, MNK, DRG, BLM, BRD, WHM, SCH

Turn 4 took the least amount of time for us to get past simply due to the fact that's it's a pure damage (and healing once double Dreadnaughts are out) turn. Whereas Turn 2 took forever as the ranged kept wanting to do an M formation until we got sick of wiping due to random herpderping and just told them to stack up.

What part are you guys having trouble with? The bugs are all dead before the knight/soldiers are here? Those are dead (or at least the last is very close) when the Dreadnaught drops down? Are you guys getting time to do a good amount of damage on the 2nd Dreadnaught that drops in P5 before having to peel off to get the rest of the stuff that drops in P6? Are you running out of time before healer hate overcomes the tanks and wipes the group in the enrage phase?

Where's the bottleneck at?

As far as damage is concerned I think our DRG does a bit of AoE on the first phase, but goes single target beyond that (though, to be honest a BLM that's covered and pushes his limit can almost take it out entirely if they use Flare well).
#50 Nov 20 2013 at 2:04 PM Rating: Good
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I'm still trying to figure out the best method for my DRG on Turn 4. I'm Relic +1, DL + Myth head/body. I tend to single-target attack my way through all the phases, as I don't find Heavy Thrust + Ring of Thorns to be TP or damage sufficient. I run with 2 BRDs and a BLM, so my AOE shouldn't be a make-or-break factor. I just want to be as effective as possible. My group has Turn 1-3 on farm mode, but we haven't beaten Turn 4 yet. Hoping we can get over that hump today. Hump DaaayyyyYYYY!


Our group makeup is PLD x 2, MNK, DRG, BLM, BRD, WHM, SCH

Turn 4 took the least amount of time for us to get past simply due to the fact that's it's a pure damage (and healing once double Dreadnaughts are out) turn. Whereas Turn 2 took forever as the ranged kept wanting to do an M formation until we got sick of wiping due to random herpderping and just told them to stack up.

What part are you guys having trouble with? The bugs are all dead before the knight/soldiers are here? Those are dead (or at least the last is very close) when the Dreadnaught drops down? Are you guys getting time to do a good amount of damage on the 2nd Dreadnaught that drops in P5 before having to peel off to get the rest of the stuff that drops in P6? Are you running out of time before healer hate overcomes the tanks and wipes the group in the enrage phase?

Where's the bottleneck at?

As far as damage is concerned I think our DRG does a bit of AoE on the first phase, but goes single target beyond that (though, to be honest a BLM that's covered and pushes his limit can almost take it out entirely if they use Flare well).


Our first problem was positioning. I think we've gotten that part taken care of. I also HT + RoT Phase 1 and single-target the rest of the encounter, I was speaking vaguely before.

Our transition from phase 2 --> 3 could be better. We still have the last soldier and knight at about 25%-40% HP when 1st Dreadnought drops. We get through it and kill the big guy, but the next phase with the bugs + the guys that cast Pox (can't remember their name atm) take too long, usually because they are too spread out and not taking all AoE. TP has been an issue a time or two as well. I think we'll get it; we've only attempted on 2 different occassions. Unfortunately, we're spread across PST, CST, EST, UK and Aussie time zones, so coordinating is hard as **** and we won't get another chance for about 2 weeks. Boo.
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Our first problem was positioning. I think we've gotten that part taken care of. I also HT + RoT Phase 1 and single-target the rest of the encounter, I was speaking vaguely before.

Our transition from phase 2 --> 3 could be better. We still have the last soldier and knight at about 25%-40% HP when 1st Dreadnought drops. We get through it and kill the big guy, but the next phase with the bugs + the guys that cast Pox (can't remember their name atm) take too long, usually because they are too spread out and not taking all AoE. TP has been an issue a time or two as well. I think we'll get it; we've only attempted on 2 different occassions. Unfortunately, we're spread across PST, CST, EST, UK and Aussie time zones, so coordinating is hard as **** and we won't get another chance for about 2 weeks. Boo.


Speaking from the Dreadnaught tank perspective, once the first one dies just collapse all the way in the center again and stack up. Rooks don't really hit hard at all and whoever has hate just faces them away. Plus, don't worry about having health left on at least the last solider/knight as it's normal for working through it: if it's the melee mob the BLM can just shift to the Dreadnaught and start on it, and if it's the caster mob you as the DRG can shift to the Dreadnaught to get started (debuff and whatnot) while your three ranged finish it off.

We actually split our damage on the double knight/soldier/P2 so the DRG's on the OT's magic guy and the other three (MNK, BRD, BLM) work on both of my mobs, blow something up the second a stoneskin drops, and then clean up. I think we still have about 40% left when the Dreadnaught drops which is fine because that gives me time to feed him all four bugs and build a bit of hate as any damage dealt to the Dreadnaught prior to feeding is pointless since he just heals.

Phase 4 (Rooks and bugs) is a good time for one of the bards to pop Paeon for about 20~ seconds. He can still AoE and boost the other bard's and yours TP regen rate, while the BLM does whatever AoE rotation he prefers. If you have a bug or two still left (like 10-15%) when the Dreadnaught drops don't worry about it since you've got stuff to kill in the center first on Phase 5 anyway before you move on to the big guy.

Hopefully mana's not an issue with your healers (make sure your tanks aren't flashing knights and soldiers!).

You guys sounds fine, just in our same boat we're having with Turn 5 -- attendance and barely getting in a night a week. It's the only thing sucky about MMOs around holidays for endgame groups.


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