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#1 Dec 04 2013 at 10:14 AM Rating: Default
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After fighting him a million tyimes theres something Ive wondered... when he pops bees is it HP based? (i.e it comes after repel when hes at 50% hp or less) or is it the number of repels? I.e even i hes still at 75% hp he'll pop bees after his second repel?
#2 Dec 04 2013 at 10:22 AM Rating: Excellent
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After second repel, always.
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Center > Sides > Center > Sides > Repell > Center > Sides > Center > Sides> >Repell > Bees

Always, no exceptions.

You can pretty much kill it before then, all the way to 0% and never see Bees. So just repell based.
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#4 Dec 04 2013 at 11:55 AM Rating: Good
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KojiroSoma wrote:
Center > Sides > Center > Sides > Repell > Center > Sides > Center > Sides> >Repell > Bees

Always, no exceptions.

You can pretty much kill it before then, all the way to 0% and never see Bees. So just repell based.


You need to have two dps (preferably drg/mnk and a blm/brd) geared 70+ with relics, drg/mnk LB, and/or a warrior tank and whm in cleric stance to kill the wall before those bees pop. It is not as easy as you made it sound.
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#5 Dec 04 2013 at 12:19 PM Rating: Decent
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Everything is Scripted and Time based, you can kill him before the 2nd repel in all actuality. Most trash mobs anywhere is also scripted for it to be time based, like the Dullahans, their swipe move is always time based.

Also sorry Valkayree, it is as easy as he made it sound, at this point in the game unless you happen to get into a party with all new people everyone is geared enough for it to die very quickly since your rotations also matters. There's no "preferably" in that equation because the fastest kill I've seen on Demon Wall was a SCH, SMN, BLM and WAR. So while you say he makes it sound easy, you make it sound like you need an exact setup or you can't kill it before 2nd repel.
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I like to do AK without a tank, SMN, 2x DPS and a heals(usually SCH) in cleric stance. Titan-egi tanks, and for the demon wall I swap to Garuda, I don't think we have gotten to the 2nd repel yet with that setup. although we are usually well geared too, avg ilevel 70+
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#7 Dec 04 2013 at 12:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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Valkayree wrote:
KojiroSoma wrote:
Center > Sides > Center > Sides > Repell > Center > Sides > Center > Sides> >Repell > Bees

Always, no exceptions.

You can pretty much kill it before then, all the way to 0% and never see Bees. So just repell based.


You need to have two dps (preferably drg/mnk and a blm/brd) geared 70+ with relics, drg/mnk LB, and/or a warrior tank and whm in cleric stance to kill the wall before those bees pop. It is not as easy as you made it sound.


Only ever killed Wall before bees when I am the WHM, casting DD pretty much the whole time, and no one stands in the ick.

So funny when parties complain about WHM casting DD spells. I hear something like "Why are you low MP? WHM should never be low MP."

No. (You don't actually have a 50 WHM do you?)

WHM that are not contributing fully do not run low on MP. Being low MP means that I have pumped multiple thousands of Stone II damage onto the most recent enemies. Don't worry party, I'll be full MP for the boss fight (thanks Shroud of Saints). Don't ballad me if you don't want to. I know the mobs we are fighting, how fast they can damage the tank, what to do in case of accidental aggro, and how far we have to the next boss. I got this.

I'm sure what they really mean is thank you.
#8 Dec 04 2013 at 12:53 PM Rating: Good
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Theonehio wrote:
Everything is Scripted and Time based, you can kill him before the 2nd repel in all actuality. Most trash mobs anywhere is also scripted for it to be time based, like the Dullahans, their swipe move is always time based.

Also sorry Valkayree, it is as easy as he made it sound, at this point in the game unless you happen to get into a party with all new people everyone is geared enough for it to die very quickly since your rotations also matters. There's no "preferably" in that equation because the fastest kill I've seen on Demon Wall was a SCH, SMN, BLM and WAR. So while you say he makes it sound easy, you make it sound like you need an exact setup or you can't kill it before 2nd repel.


Oh it can be done, and I have personally done it many times. With many different setups. Also my apologies, I forgot about SMN, very useful class. SCH have great synergy with WAR. However, at this point in the game, there are still quite a few folks who are not geared enough for it to die very quickly.

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#9 Dec 04 2013 at 5:07 PM Rating: Good
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Key point to kill Demon Wall before 2nd Repel:
Relic.
Tank go on DPS. This mean PLD on Sword Oath and WAR ditch Defiance.
Healer on Cleric Stance. Does a lot of dmg.
There's no need for LB.

Actually, Melee DPS get a major disadvantage with the 1st Repel losing several seconds of pure DPS. Especially true if your buff are running out during 1st Repel. DRG also lose the Advantage of Disemboweled combo for extra DPS. At least tank can withstand the Repel using buff or Stone skin.
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DuoMaxwellxx wrote:
After fighting him a million tyimes theres something Ive wondered... when he pops bees is it HP based? (i.e it comes after repel when hes at 50% hp or less) or is it the number of repels? I.e even i hes still at 75% hp he'll pop bees after his second repel?



Demon wall will never spawn bee's during the encounter, those are gnats that you have to deal with. And they always come after the 2nd repel. If you would like to play with bees go play in Sunken Temple of Qarn (most noticeably the 1st boss with his lovely aoe doom).


Edit: Strange spacing

Edited, Dec 4th 2013 7:02pm by SillyHawk
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#11 Dec 04 2013 at 7:27 PM Rating: Decent
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SillyHawk wrote:
DuoMaxwellxx wrote:
After fighting him a million tyimes theres something Ive wondered... when he pops bees is it HP based? (i.e it comes after repel when hes at 50% hp or less) or is it the number of repels? I.e even i hes still at 75% hp he'll pop bees after his second repel?



Demon wall will never spawn bee's during the encounter, those are gnats that you have to deal with. And they always come after the 2nd repel. If you would like to play with bees go play in Sunken Temple of Qarn (most noticeably the 1st boss with his lovely aoe doom).


Edit: Strange spacing

Edited, Dec 4th 2013 7:02pm by SillyHawk


Spacing has nothing to do with it... but maybe this link will help you out... http://www.specsavers.com/
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#12 Dec 05 2013 at 10:07 AM Rating: Good
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A good thing to know about the demon wall is that if u stand on the side and close to the wall, ur considered to be on the flank of the wall. It really helps for monks and lancers.

I've been able to kill the wall at the same time he does his 2nd repel quite a few times on my monk. Geared with garuda weapon and AK/DL gear, so it can be done without being in relic and full DL. I usually run it with a BRD friend which is relic +1 and full DL, so it helps.

Also, as a monk, I usually tell the tank to pull the last big guy in the wall room so I can then shoulder tackle on the wall and not lose my greased lightning stacks. It makes a huge difference. But don't do it if your party is not ready for it (low mp or hp).
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#13 Dec 05 2013 at 12:58 PM Rating: Good
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Khornette wrote:
Key point to kill Demon Wall before 2nd Repel:
Relic.
Tank go on DPS. This mean PLD on Sword Oath and WAR ditch Defiance.
Healer on Cleric Stance. Does a lot of dmg.
There's no need for LB.



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