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#1 Dec 16 2013 at 12:57 PM Rating: Decent
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With the Housing prices recently announced, which players do you think the Housing system is actually designed for?
Casual Players:1 (1.0%)
People who play FFXIV to have fun:3 (3.1%)
The wealthiest and/or hardcore players:24 (24.7%)
Gil buyers:7 (7.2%)
Housing was created to help RMT make a big profit:5 (5.2%)
Clearly not me:16 (16.5%)
Housing was created as a trap to catch RMT players:10 (10.3%)
I think the prices are reasonable for this point in the game:10 (10.3%)
I don't care about housing, Patch 2.1 looks great!:8 (8.2%)
This poll is stupid:13 (13.4%)
Total:97


Well there you have it. Write in your own answer if you want. Let's see where the community stands on this.

Edited, Dec 16th 2013 1:57pm by Gnu
#2 Dec 16 2013 at 1:02 PM Rating: Decent
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Few things
1) this is fc housing and as such serves no purpose other than being a gil sink
2) I reserve my final judgement until they add player housing and we can see what they expect individual people to pay
3) with the tanking of the current market as there is nothing you can sell to make money reliably, have fun getting your 20k gil a week from grinding!
#3 Dec 16 2013 at 1:05 PM Rating: Good
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From what I understand, furniture gives you in-game buffs.

Therefore, a bigger house means more potential for buffs. A smaller house will forever limit how many consecutive buffs you can have. Maybe someone know of the references to furniture and the buffs they will give?

If the buffs are significant to battle, then the Housing is not just a vanity item.
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dustinfoley wrote:
1) this is fc housing and as such serves no purpose other than being a gil sink


Clearly you don't enjoy just hanging out with your FC.

I was looking forward to us having our own place to hang out, chat emote, craft....
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If they follow the patterns from XI's housing, it could be stuff like this:
- Specific crafting boosts
- Reduction of death penalties (since no exp is lost, perhaps reduced wear and tear on gear)
- Elemental attack boosts / increased stats

That sort of thing. And probably a whole host of other things.
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#6 Dec 16 2013 at 1:16 PM Rating: Excellent
I think this was a rare misstep by Yoshi-P and the development team. The only logical reason I can think of for prices being this high is they literally don't want people buying houses now because of infrastructure issues.

These prices only make housing viable for the most hardcore of players... yet FC housing is probably most appealing to the small, casual FCs that can't remotely afford these prices.
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#7 Dec 16 2013 at 1:25 PM Rating: Good
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If I put down that much gil on housing, it'll be personal housing. Who knows what the status of your FC will be 6 mos to a year from now?
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@CatWho
The increase stats possibility is the one that will really make this divisive. Although, the argument could be made that if you spend 60 mil gil the least you could get out it is +1 VIT.

@Thayos
You basically summed it up. I generally would say that casual players are patient, and understanding about their own limitations. It's just too bad that the feature has been loudly advertised as a casual player past-time.

Content for casual players that only hardcore players can access! Frustration ensues.
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I have to disagree. 20 million is definitely achievable, and so are a few of the larger plots of land.

I think the prices are like this so not everything would be taken over immediately, and to have something to work towards. You want that luxurious sized piece of land with a mansion on it? your going to have to work for it.

People also need to take into consideration that the prices fluctuate. 50% discount if left alone for 90 days? that doesn't seem unreasonable. I think people are more angry at the fact that the largest sized house is placed outside their reach and isn't affordable to people with an FC of 10 people. That's also because the largest house is designed FOR the groups with a lot of members.

In any case, at least for now, I voted "do not care" since having a house doesn't give any worthwhile benefits for the price tag. I'll still be thinking of it for later, but my FC currently has no plans to blow our money on useless content.

Edited, Dec 16th 2013 3:08pm by Keysofgaruda
#10 Dec 16 2013 at 1:48 PM Rating: Good
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Keysofgaruda wrote:
I have to disagree. 20 million is definitely achievable, and so are a few of the larger plots of land.

I think the prices are like this so not everything would be taken over immediately, and to have something to work towards. You want that luxurious sized piece of land with a mansion on it? your going to have to work for it.

People also need to take into consideration that the prices fluctuate. 50% discount if left alone for 90 days? that doesn't seem unreasonable. I think people are more angry at the fact that the largest sized house is placed outside their reach and isn't affordable to people with an FC of 10 people. That's also because the largest house is designed FOR the groups with a lot of members.

In any case, at least for now, I voted "do not care" since having a house doesn't give any benefits whatsoever. I'll still be thinking of it for later, but my FC currently has no plans to blow our money on useless content.


First off, 50% discount off of 300 million still puts houses at 150 million for a large. Even new servers are about 70 million for a large house for the grade five. That's as low as it gets currently. I'm not angry that the largest house is outside our reach. I expected it probably would be right off the bat. I'm angry that our FC of 50ish active members can't even come close to affording the SMALLEST house currently, let alone the largest. And with an FC of 50 active members, what's the point of owning a small house? It will take months and months for us to have enough gil for a large house. By then, who even knows the state of the game. Heck, half the members who contribute to the housing could be gone by then. It was supposed to be a casual, fun source of content for players and it's turned out to be a hardcore grind that most won't ever even sniff at the current prices.

Also, I believe the furniture offers buffs as has been mentioned above, so there are benefits. It also acts as a meeting place, and a fun thing for an FC to do when deciding how to decorate, what style to build in, how to furnish, etc.
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#11 Dec 16 2013 at 1:57 PM Rating: Good
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Thayos wrote:
I think this was a rare misstep by Yoshi-P and the development team. The only logical reason I can think of for prices being this high is they literally don't want people buying houses now because of infrastructure issues.

These prices only make housing viable for the most hardcore of players... yet FC housing is probably most appealing to the small, casual FCs that can't remotely afford these prices.



If do why bring it out at all now? Make people angry does not help things.
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#12 Dec 16 2013 at 1:58 PM Rating: Decent
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BartelX wrote:
Keysofgaruda wrote:
I have to disagree. 20 million is definitely achievable, and so are a few of the larger plots of land.

I think the prices are like this so not everything would be taken over immediately, and to have something to work towards. You want that luxurious sized piece of land with a mansion on it? your going to have to work for it.

People also need to take into consideration that the prices fluctuate. 50% discount if left alone for 90 days? that doesn't seem unreasonable. I think people are more angry at the fact that the largest sized house is placed outside their reach and isn't affordable to people with an FC of 10 people. That's also because the largest house is designed FOR the groups with a lot of members.

In any case, at least for now, I voted "do not care" since having a house doesn't give any benefits whatsoever. I'll still be thinking of it for later, but my FC currently has no plans to blow our money on useless content.


First off, 50% discount off of 300 million still puts houses at 150 million for a large. Even new servers are about 70 million for a large house for the grade five. That's as low as it gets currently. I'm not angry that the largest house is outside our reach. I expected it probably would be right off the bat. I'm angry that our FC of 50ish active members can't even come close to affording the SMALLEST house currently, let alone the largest. And with an FC of 50 active members, what's the point of owning a small house? It will take months and months for us to have enough gil for a large house. By then, who even knows the state of the game. Heck, half the members who contribute to the housing could be gone by then. It was supposed to be a casual, fun source of content for players and it's turned out to be a hardcore grind that most won't ever even sniff at the current prices.

Also, I believe the furniture offers buffs as has been mentioned above, so there are benefits. It also acts as a meeting place, and a fun thing for an FC to do when deciding how to decorate, what style to build in, how to furnish, etc.


I agree....

Also I thought nothing has been said about furniture yet or even buffs.. That is all future stuff or did I read that wrong?

Edited, Dec 16th 2013 3:00pm by Nashred
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#13 Dec 16 2013 at 2:02 PM Rating: Decent
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Pickins wrote:
dustinfoley wrote:
1) this is fc housing and as such serves no purpose other than being a gil sink


Clearly you don't enjoy just hanging out with your FC.

I was looking forward to us having our own place to hang out, chat emote, craft....



Your right, i dont enjoy 'hanging' out. If i am on with my FC we are doing something.... I dont log on to a game to 'hang out' this isnt the sims, its not a chat room, its a game.

I have very limited play time (1-2 hrs a day tops) and im not wasting it to log on and shoot the breeze in a 300mil house made for the sole purpose of hanging out.

If they ever add a tangible benefit to housing then I will change my opinion, but even with all crafts at 50 i dont see me selling much furniture if only 1-2 fc per server will be getting a house due to their price lol. Currently there is no benefit/reason for the FC house.

They have stated that in the future they plan to add some stuff, but at the moment THERE IS NOTHING ergo it is a huge gil sink for potential later use that might be 3 months away.
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dustinfoley wrote:
Pickins wrote:
dustinfoley wrote:
1) this is fc housing and as such serves no purpose other than being a gil sink


Clearly you don't enjoy just hanging out with your FC.

I was looking forward to us having our own place to hang out, chat emote, craft....



Your right, i dont enjoy 'hanging' out. If i am on with my FC we are doing something.... I dont log on to a game to 'hang out' this isnt the sims, its not a chat room, its a game.

I have very limited play time (1-2 hrs a day tops) and im not wasting it to log on and shoot the breeze in a 300mil house made for the sole purpose of hanging out.

If they ever add a tangible benefit to housing then I will change my opinion, but even with all crafts at 50 i dont see me selling much furniture if only 1-2 fc per server will be getting a house due to their price lol. Currently there is no benefit/reason for the FC house.

They have stated that in the future they plan to add some stuff, but at the moment THERE IS NOTHING ergo it is a huge gil sink for potential later use that might be 3 months away.


Wow... hanging out and chatting with friends is half the reason I play mmos. No I don't login solely to chat, but it's definitely an addition that I really enjoy in game. I agree with you that it's just a gil sink for very little benefit, but I kinda feel bad for you if hanging out and chatting aren't even on your radar. It's the relationships I've made in mmos that keep me coming back, but to each their own.

Edited, Dec 16th 2013 3:10pm by BartelX
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#15 Dec 16 2013 at 2:12 PM Rating: Good
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BartelX wrote:
dustinfoley wrote:
Pickins wrote:
dustinfoley wrote:
1) this is fc housing and as such serves no purpose other than being a gil sink


Clearly you don't enjoy just hanging out with your FC.

I was looking forward to us having our own place to hang out, chat emote, craft....



Your right, i dont enjoy 'hanging' out. If i am on with my FC we are doing something.... I dont log on to a game to 'hang out' this isnt the sims, its not a chat room, its a game.

I have very limited play time (1-2 hrs a day tops) and im not wasting it to log on and shoot the breeze in a 300mil house made for the sole purpose of hanging out.

If they ever add a tangible benefit to housing then I will change my opinion, but even with all crafts at 50 i dont see me selling much furniture if only 1-2 fc per server will be getting a house due to their price lol. Currently there is no benefit/reason for the FC house.

They have stated that in the future they plan to add some stuff, but at the moment THERE IS NOTHING ergo it is a huge gil sink for potential later use that might be 3 months away.


Wow... hanging out and chatting with friends is half the reason I play mmos. No I don't login solely to chat, but it's definitely an addition that I really enjoy in game. I agree with you that it's just a gil sink for very little benefit, but I kinda feel bad for you if hanging out and chatting aren't even on your radar. It's the relationships I've made in mmos that keep me coming back, but to each their own.

Edited, Dec 16th 2013 3:10pm by BartelX


just for the sake of argument, you can do everything you mentioned without a house.
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dustinfoley wrote:

Your right, i dont enjoy 'hanging' out. If i am on with my FC we are doing something.... I dont log on to a game to 'hang out'


More power to ya, but you have to remember that people play MMOs for all kinds of reasons. Yours are no more valid than theirs.


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this isnt the sims, its not a chat room, its a game.


I beg to differ with you here. MMOs have always been a cross between a game and a chat room. Some of us enjoy shooting the sh*t with our guild members, even when we're not actively engaged in attaining a goal.
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I voted "trap to catch RMT players."

1. Housing released with outrageous prices; everyone told up front it'll become cheaper later on, so wait
2. A handful Rich impatient FCs get all spendy and buy houses right away
3. SE has now narrowed down several thousand accounts to audit for RMT activities, either recent or in the past
4. SE bans the accounts that probably bought gil, and if enough members of a FC that bought a house did so, nukes the house
5. After a month, SE announces how much gil was removed from the economy, and simultaneously in a separate report announces with much fanfare that FC prices via Dutch auction are now 75% off with timer reset.

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#18 Dec 16 2013 at 2:21 PM Rating: Excellent
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It also acts as a meeting place, and a fun thing for an FC to do when deciding how to decorate, what style to build in, how to furnish, etc.


It's all fun and games until we need to decide between a moogle or a behemoth over the mantle. Then it's time for WAR!
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#20 Dec 16 2013 at 2:28 PM Rating: Good
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Catwho wrote:
I voted "trap to catch RMT players."

1. Housing released with outrageous prices; everyone told up front it'll become cheaper later on, so wait
2. A handful Rich impatient FCs get all spendy and buy houses right away
3. SE has now narrowed down several thousand accounts to audit for RMT activities, either recent or in the past
4. SE bans the accounts that probably bought gil, and if enough members of a FC that bought a house did so, nukes the house
5. After a month, SE announces how much gil was removed from the economy, and simultaneously in a separate report announces with much fanfare that FC prices via Dutch auction are now 75% off with timer reset.


If it actually happens like this, the exodus from the game would be incredible. I certainly wouldn't keep playing if this happened and know many others who wouldn't either. The sad thing is, I really could see this happening. I really, truly hope it doesn't come to this.

IKickYoDog wrote:
It's all fun and games until we need to decide between a moogle or a behemoth over the mantle. Then it's time for WAR!


Easy solution. A behemoth dressed in a moogle suit.

Edited, Dec 16th 2013 3:29pm by BartelX
#21 Dec 16 2013 at 2:29 PM Rating: Excellent
BartelX wrote:
Catwho wrote:
I voted "trap to catch RMT players."

1. Housing released with outrageous prices; everyone told up front it'll become cheaper later on, so wait
2. A handful Rich impatient FCs get all spendy and buy houses right away
3. SE has now narrowed down several thousand accounts to audit for RMT activities, either recent or in the past
4. SE bans the accounts that probably bought gil, and if enough members of a FC that bought a house did so, nukes the house
5. After a month, SE announces how much gil was removed from the economy, and simultaneously in a separate report announces with much fanfare that FC prices via Dutch auction are now 75% off with timer reset.


If it actually happens like this, the exodus from the game would be incredible. I certainly wouldn't keep playing if this happened and know many others who wouldn't either. The sad thing is, I really could see this happening. I really, truly hope it doesn't come to this.


Seriously. It'd be like an RMT version of an episode of Scooby Doo.
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BartelX wrote:
Catwho wrote:
I voted "trap to catch RMT players."

1. Housing released with outrageous prices; everyone told up front it'll become cheaper later on, so wait
2. A handful Rich impatient FCs get all spendy and buy houses right away
3. SE has now narrowed down several thousand accounts to audit for RMT activities, either recent or in the past
4. SE bans the accounts that probably bought gil, and if enough members of a FC that bought a house did so, nukes the house
5. After a month, SE announces how much gil was removed from the economy, and simultaneously in a separate report announces with much fanfare that FC prices via Dutch auction are now 75% off with timer reset.


If it actually happens like this, the exodus from the game would be incredible. I certainly wouldn't keep playing if this happened and know many others who wouldn't either. The sad thing is, I really could see this happening. I really, truly hope it doesn't come to this.


While I do agree that it's an impossibly nasty thing to do, it 'feels' right. Like this has to be the reason they made it to uncontestably difficult to obtain.
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SkinwalkerAsura wrote:
BartelX wrote:
Catwho wrote:
I voted "trap to catch RMT players."

1. Housing released with outrageous prices; everyone told up front it'll become cheaper later on, so wait
2. A handful Rich impatient FCs get all spendy and buy houses right away
3. SE has now narrowed down several thousand accounts to audit for RMT activities, either recent or in the past
4. SE bans the accounts that probably bought gil, and if enough members of a FC that bought a house did so, nukes the house
5. After a month, SE announces how much gil was removed from the economy, and simultaneously in a separate report announces with much fanfare that FC prices via Dutch auction are now 75% off with timer reset.


If it actually happens like this, the exodus from the game would be incredible. I certainly wouldn't keep playing if this happened and know many others who wouldn't either. The sad thing is, I really could see this happening. I really, truly hope it doesn't come to this.


Seriously. It'd be like an RMT version of an episode of Scooby Doo.


It was Old Man Rivers the whole time. He would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for those meddling moogles.

edit: hmmm, a fitting post for #6666. Smiley: nod

Edited, Dec 16th 2013 3:33pm by BartelX
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#24 Dec 16 2013 at 2:33 PM Rating: Decent
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BartelX wrote:

First off, 50% discount off of 300 million still puts houses at 150 million for a large. Even new servers are about 70 million for a large house for the grade five. That's as low as it gets currently. I'm not angry that the largest house is outside our reach. I expected it probably would be right off the bat. I'm angry that our FC of 50ish active members can't even come close to affording the SMALLEST house currently, let alone the largest. And with an FC of 50 active members, what's the point of owning a small house? It will take months and months for us to have enough gil for a large house. By then, who even knows the state of the game. Heck, half the members who contribute to the housing could be gone by then. It was supposed to be a casual, fun source of content for players and it's turned out to be a hardcore grind that most won't ever even sniff at the current prices.

Also, I believe the furniture offers buffs as has been mentioned above, so there are benefits. It also acts as a meeting place, and a fun thing for an FC to do when deciding how to decorate, what style to build in, how to furnish, etc.


Another bummer is, I wanted the housing districts to be lively communities, where you could walk the district and see everyone's design flair, have neighbors, etc. While I could afford the smallest plot of land, it would take ALL of my friends 8 million lifetime savings to get it, and be the king of an empty district.
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This isnt to trap rmt. Really spend all this time and money to develop something for that. Then anger your used base because of the high prices.. NAH it is just SE not thinking and make a bad decision.. I bet this changes fast.

Edited, Dec 16th 2013 3:34pm by Nashred
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BartelX wrote:
SkinwalkerAsura wrote:
BartelX wrote:
Catwho wrote:
I voted "trap to catch RMT players."

1. Housing released with outrageous prices; everyone told up front it'll become cheaper later on, so wait
2. A handful Rich impatient FCs get all spendy and buy houses right away
3. SE has now narrowed down several thousand accounts to audit for RMT activities, either recent or in the past
4. SE bans the accounts that probably bought gil, and if enough members of a FC that bought a house did so, nukes the house
5. After a month, SE announces how much gil was removed from the economy, and simultaneously in a separate report announces with much fanfare that FC prices via Dutch auction are now 75% off with timer reset.


If it actually happens like this, the exodus from the game would be incredible. I certainly wouldn't keep playing if this happened and know many others who wouldn't either. The sad thing is, I really could see this happening. I really, truly hope it doesn't come to this.


Seriously. It'd be like an RMT version of an episode of Scooby Doo.


It was Old Man Rivers the whole time. He would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for those meddling moogles.

edit: hmmm, a fitting post for #6666. Smiley: nod

Edited, Dec 16th 2013 3:33pm by BartelX


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Another bummer is, I wanted the housing districts to be lively communities, where you could walk the district and see everyone's design flair, have neighbors, etc. While I could afford the smallest plot of land, it would take ALL of my friends 8 million lifetime savings to get it, and be the king of an empty district.


This is what I was hoping for. Frat house row in digital form.
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