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#27 Feb 18 2013 at 4:01 AM Rating: Decent

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Regarding travel, I think they'll do it right. I liked how once you got an Aetheryte activated in 1.0 you could fast travel to it. It's kind of the best of both worlds, you are required to explore, but once you find the place it's not painful getting back there again.

Didn't this eventually become a thing where you didn't even have to go there once to teleport there as long as someone in your party was in the area?

In any case, checkpoints that you can teleport to are pretty standard fare these days. GW2 did it overly much, I think... there would be like 15 waypoints in any given area. You could get anywhere you needed to go in under 5 minutes as long as you'd already been there before. But that resulted in feeling like you were surrounded by safe spaces, and everything felt kind of homogenous. No safe space was special, no place was particularly scary or dangerous. Again, going back to the tradeoff between convenience and meaning. It's like the challenge tradeoff... it's something that has to be finely balanced to work well. There's not a simple "right way" answer to the problem.

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#28 Feb 18 2013 at 9:08 AM Rating: Default

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I have to say delays hurt this game.. I believe though they should only bring out a product when it is ready. I bought a ps3 to play only FFXIV and it is just siting there not being used. Well this week or next week I believe the ps4 is going to be announced which will also probably mean a reduction in price of the ps3. I am loosing money on the ps3. Also bringing a game out on a system that will be end of it life cycle because of delays is not helping.. The ps3 will certainly help with user base though I am just saying it would have been better if released before the announcement of the ps4.

SE has lost 150 mil in one quarter and at this rate Square will be gone. What bothers me is there is no hype at all for this game. At this point the forums should be buzzing with new people wanting to play the game but it seems 99 percent of the people are legacy players which does not bode well for the game again.

I still think Se should have changed the name from FFXIV. Videos like that above don't help the game out at all and this game has a bad stigma. People who don't follow gaming closely will walk by it in a store and go I remember that game it stunk or I heard it stinks not realizing it is a hole different game.

It is a hole new game, so change the name and reset the game to zero for all. I know legacy players don't like this idea but the game did not survive on the legacy players and needs new players period. New players don't want to play with people who have already got a several years head start. I know its hard but that's the way it needs to be. Give legacy player their own special chocobo or armor for sticking around. Legacy players need to realize this needs to be done. When I read the official forums I see so much wining which does not help either,

Also beta is pretty much it, final game. It is to work out bugs and stress test. There will be no major changes.. The only reason it would is if everyone hated the game and they had to redo something major.. But anyone who has beta tested can tell you the game wont change much if not the game will not be out for a long time.

I also don't think being like ffxi is a bad thing. That game has been around 7 years and is still making money. The game is old as hell and still holds up.. Of coarse graphically it looks old and mmo's have came along way and it needs updating. But people play ffxi not to be like other mmo's either. People want different just not way out there different. You are not going to beat WWO at there own game they have been doing it too long.

Anyway I am pretty excited about this game and it sound much better this time around, I am just worried that there is no hype at all about this game. This game fails again it will bring down SE and ffxi which I love playing. I want to see FFXIV rise above it all..

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#29 Feb 18 2013 at 9:23 AM Rating: Default

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Oh, I'm like 90% sure that FFXIV is going to go down in the textbooks as a classic case of the sunken cost fallacy in action. But I like to dream about what could be, and I hope I'm wrong about it.

Might also do something for the perception that 13 is an unlucky number :P

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#30 Feb 18 2013 at 9:25 AM Rating: Decent

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DevilFruit wrote:

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Ah, well, the legacy beta testers will be able to confirm or deny that in a little over a week.

Although, I'm pretty sure a NDA is still going to be in effect for them as well. :X

As for travel, I generally miss it. Yeah, missing an airship sucked, and the airship could be boring (although I always loved watching the world pass by, especially if you used Windower), but I miss that sense of immersion. Games too often constantly remind that you're doing just that, playing a game. I don't mind it much in console games, but MMO's were always different to me. The biggest reason I wanted to get into MMO's when I was younger was because I love pen and paper games. The thought of exploring a new world with other people was just so exciting. For a while, it really was like being someone else for me. Granted, that went away over time (I was like 13 or 14 when FFXI came out), but most of my early experiences truly felt that way. The world felt massive, had substance, and it made everything feel epic, especially since turning the wrong corner could mean imminent death.

Having played WoW for the past few years, I can say I haven't that way ever since TBC was released. The game is completely safe now, you fly everywhere so you can never die. You can fly from side of Pandaria to the other in about 3-5 minutes, making the world feel incredibly tiny. You can do almost everything standing in one spot and queue'ing, and the few things you actually have to go out to do tend to be meaningless. (Pet Battles/Achievement hunting/etc) I don't know, perhaps I'm ranting... Ah well... I just hope FFXIV retains the sense of danger and magnitude that FFXI had. :)

I agree I really liked the air ship or the cutters/boats in ffxi. They allowed you to get some where faster but still see the world. It gave me time to step away for a min to make lunch or dinner, do some research etc. In FFXI they just added I don't know like 20 + more waypoints, you have the abyssea maws, teleport crystals. I Don't know they take away from exploring and make things to unrealistic but you can get anywhere except Jueno in seconds now. I don't get that at all, Jeuno is the major city for export, import and business and there is no way to get from the 3 major cities to Jeuno fast but everywhere else.

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#31 Feb 18 2013 at 9:35 AM Rating: Decent

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Kachi wrote:

Oh, I'm like 90% sure that FFXIV is going to go down in the textbooks as a classic case of the sunken cost fallacy in action. But I like to dream about what could be, and I hope I'm wrong about it.

Might also do something for the perception that 13 is an unlucky number :P

I really don't want it to fail and I might seem a little negative and hard on the game but that's because I want it right this time. I do not want to see SE fail as a company.. I actually met my RL girlfriend because of FFXI . No it wasn't one of those in-game romances and we were not married in the game and I also dont hold it against people who do. We both played FFXI on the Xbox and a bunch of us in the LS always were in chat on the Xbox and played together. We all had each others numbers because we wanted to let each other know when we were getting on FFXI sometimes. Anyway she had to call me about something about the game once and we started talking and found out how much we had in common and started talking on the phone more and more and it went from there.

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#32 Feb 18 2013 at 2:42 PM Rating: Default

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if I want to play this new realm reborn do I need to buy this game again...? I already bought this game when they first released...

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#33 Feb 18 2013 at 2:46 PM Rating: Good

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Pherocious wrote:

if I want to play this new realm reborn do I need to buy this game again...? I already bought this game when they first released...

You will get a new copy of the PC game for free.

If you want to pay on PS3, however, you'l have to buy a new, separate copy of the game (but you can also keep your old PC character.)

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#34 Feb 18 2013 at 2:55 PM Rating: Default

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cool... thanks...

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#35 Feb 18 2013 at 5:03 PM Rating: Default

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catwho wrote:

Pherocious wrote:

if I want to play this new realm reborn do I need to buy this game again...? I already bought this game when they first released...

You will get a new copy of the PC game for free.

If you want to pay on PS3, however, you'l have to buy a new, separate copy of the game (but you can also keep your old PC character.)

Ok I have one problem though. I have registered the game on SquareEnix, but I have lost the box and code itself, I still can activate and deactivate the ffxiv service, so my question is, do you need to provide the original game code to download the new ffxiv arr or a link will be provided from https://secure.square-enix.com/account/ where I have the old ffxiv registerd?

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#36 Feb 18 2013 at 8:35 PM Rating: Good

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Ok I have one problem though. I have registered the game on SquareEnix, but I have lost the box and code itself, I still can activate and deactivate the ffxiv service, so my question is, do you need to provide the original game code to download the new ffxiv arr or a link will be provided from https://secure.square-enix.com/account/ where I have the old ffxiv registerd?

You shouldn't need it as long as your have your SE account info, but they may decide that they want you to provide it for some unexplained reason.

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#37 Feb 19 2013 at 9:30 AM Rating: Good

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TurboTom wrote:

Maldavian wrote:

Ok I have one problem though. I have registered the game on SquareEnix, but I have lost the box and code itself, I still can activate and deactivate the ffxiv service, so my question is, do you need to provide the original game code to download the new ffxiv arr or a link will be provided from https://secure.square-enix.com/account/ where I have the old ffxiv registerd?

You shouldn't need it as long as your have your SE account info, but they may decide that they want you to provide it for some unexplained reason.

I would like to say that, while this is probably the way it'll end up, we don't know exactly how this process is going to work. For all we know, we may end up getting an e mail with a link in it to click on and it'll ask us to put in our SE account info and then a download may start. They haven't disclosed how they are going to distribute the new software other than those who have already purchased the game will not have to purchase it again. This is of course unless they want the ps3 version. They will have to purchase that.

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