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#152 Apr 10 2013 at 4:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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Hey gys this was my score with these custom setting.. Im not terribly satisfied with this. Any suggestions on parts of anything that I can do to make it better able to run this game? Although I score Fairly High the fps are terrible.. anyways to make this better? Any suggestions are welcome!


The two things I see are your video card and your RAM.

RAM is cheap, but a video card is probably going to be your biggest upgrade here. Take a look at the GTX 460, 660, and 660Ti. As for RAM, you're running a 32bit OS so there are hard limits on what you can do with that, and your video card is going to take a bite out of it. I'd stick with a 1GB VRAM video card and try to squeeze an extra 1GB of hard RAM into there for the computer to use.
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#153 Apr 10 2013 at 4:23 PM Rating: Good
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Hey gys this was my score with these custom setting.. Im not terribly satisfied with this. Any suggestions on parts of anything that I can do to make it better able to run this game? Although I score Fairly High the fps are terrible.. anyways to make this better? Any suggestions are welcome!


The two things I see are your video card and your RAM.

RAM is cheap, but a video card is probably going to be your biggest upgrade here. Take a look at the GTX 460, 660, and 660Ti. As for RAM, you're running a 32bit OS so there are hard limits on what you can do with that, and your video card is going to take a bite out of it. I'd stick with a 1GB VRAM video card and try to squeeze an extra 1GB of hard RAM into there for the computer to use.


Alright, thank you very much! I appreciate it.
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#154 Apr 10 2013 at 6:42 PM Rating: Decent
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Hey gys this was my score with these custom setting.. Im not terribly satisfied with this. Any suggestions on parts of anything that I can do to make it better able to run this game? Although I score Fairly High the fps are terrible.. anyways to make this better? Any suggestions are welcome!


The two things I see are your video card and your RAM.

RAM is cheap, but a video card is probably going to be your biggest upgrade here. Take a look at the GTX 460, 660, and 660Ti. As for RAM, you're running a 32bit OS so there are hard limits on what you can do with that, and your video card is going to take a bite out of it. I'd stick with a 1GB VRAM video card and try to squeeze an extra 1GB of hard RAM into there for the computer to use.


Alright, thank you very much! I appreciate it.



Also as Wint mentioned in another thread, the GTX 650Ti Boost is good value @ $175
#155 Apr 11 2013 at 10:03 PM Rating: Excellent
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The best time of year to get a video card is just after they introduce the new generations. (600 -> 700) (6000 -> 7000) etc. They try to liquidate the old cards very quickly, and you can get quite powerful cards on the cheap.
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#156 Apr 13 2013 at 1:34 AM Rating: Decent
Hello, all, I've been trying to figure this problem out for a long while now. I've looked up guides on ways to improve performance on my computer but nothing seems to work. This is the worst part, my score has actually dropped when switching to a 7870 from my 6850. What I notice is that my GPU and CPU load never reach 99/100%, so it is kind of hard to tell if my CPU is really bottlenecking my GPU or not. I am aware from research that there may be other bottlenecks but since I'm not all that experienced at putting together rigs (this is my first one), it's kind of hard for me to identify the problem, and I was hoping that someone could please help me with this situation.

I'm starting to regret the "upgrade" and think that I should have purchased a better CPU and mobo first, but you can find a few results on Google on the question of whether or not the CPU I have could bottleneck the 7870, the majority stated that an OC'd CPU would be fine.

The average score I received with my 6850 was 4800 on 1280x720 Medium. Even that seemed kind of low to me, but I don't know, I might just be wrong. I have tried searching for people in a similar situation like mine, but all I have found is maybe two or three people with only the same GPU, and those people got scores in the 5k's on Maximum 1080p.

Here are my results with my 7870 on the exact same settings as the 6850:

Score:3441
Average Framerate:30.160

My CPU has had a stable OC from 3.2GHz to 3.8GHz.

Here are my system specs:
XFX Double D FX-787A-CDFC Radeon HD 7870 GHz Edition 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card

Western Digital WD Blue WD5000AAKX 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive - OEM

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBRL

ASUS M4A88TD-V EVO/USB3 AM3 AMD 880G HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard

Rosewill Green Series RG630-S12 630W Continuous @40°C,80 PLUS BRONZE Certified, Single 12V Rail, Active PFC "Compatible with Core i7,i5" Power Supply

AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ955FBGMBOX

I appreciate any suggestions or recommendations (like hardware upgrades), and any help. Thank you for your time.

I have a pretty low budget, btw, it took a while to save up for that 7870 so you can see how I feel kind of bad about how things have turned out...

I only mention this so that nobody goes "Just buy [insert all this expensive stuff here]" lol

[EDIT] I've found stuff about a "power saving mode" for GPUs causing low load and therefore low clocks, but I have no idea how the GPU could have its power saving mode. Is that just the performance plan or something? Could that even be it?

[EDIT 2] I have also found about how the CPU load might not actually show up as full load because it means the game is efficiently using all 4 cores. I have also turned off all power saving features from the BIOS. Still would appreciate any info.. thanks.

Edited, Apr 13th 2013 3:43am by RedMage1993

Edited, Apr 13th 2013 1:57pm by RedMage1993
#157 Apr 13 2013 at 4:41 PM Rating: Decent
I took some snapshots of my gpu/cpu activity during the benchmark, notice the low usage of GPU:

http://f.cl.ly/items/1b1Z092K2i2P1s0D0y0o/1.jpg

http://f.cl.ly/items/3Y2H3E132c3T0c143m2r/2.jpg

Edited, Apr 13th 2013 6:41pm by RedMage1993
#158 Apr 13 2013 at 9:44 PM Rating: Decent
Okay, well, I managed to get it fixed!

It's kind of hard to tell what exactly was the fix since I ended up formatting my HDD, but the things I did was when installing the AMD drivers, I ONLY installed everything BUT the CCC. I also installed this tool from HIS called iTurbo that allows you to Disable ULPS and 2D Clocks. The 2D clocks seemed to be not necessary so currently I only have Disable ULPS enabled. I have managed to get 5572 on Maximum 1080p with an average 45fps, previously impossible. I get 10500 approximately at 720p. Hope this helps whoever had problems with GPU utilization.
#159 Apr 14 2013 at 8:14 AM Rating: Decent
FINAL FANTASY XIV: A Realm Reborn Official Benchmark (Exploration)
Tested on:4/14/2013 9:11:11 AM
Score:7643
Average Framerate:65.035
Performance:Extremely High
-Easily capable of running the game on the highest settings.

Screen Size: 1280x960
Screen Mode: Windowed
Graphics Presets: Maximum
General
-Improve overall graphic quality. : Enabled
-Disable rendering of objects when not visible. (Occlusion Culling) : Disabled
-Use low-detail models on distant objects to increase performance. (LOD) : Disabled
-Cache LOD data only when necessary. (LOD Streaming) : Disabled
-Smooth edges. (Anti-aliasing) : Enabled
-Increase transparent lighting quality. : Enabled
-Grass Quality : High
Shadows
-Use low-detail models on shadows to increase performance. (LOD) : Disabled
-Display : All
-Shadow Resolution : High: 2048 pixels
-Shadow Cascading : High
-Shadow Softening : High
Texture Detail
-Texture Filtering : High
-Anisotropic Filtering : High
Effects
-Naturally darken the edges of the screen. (Limb Darkening) : Enabled
-Blur the graphics around an object in motion. (Radial Blur) : Enabled
-Effects While in Motion : Display All
-Screen Space Ambient Occlusion : High
-Glare : Normal
Cinematic Cutscenes
-Enable depth of field. : Enabled

System:
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit (6.1, Build 7601) Service Pack 1 (7601.win7sp1_gdr.120830-0333)
Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3570K CPU @ 3.40GHz
8079.215MB
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 Ti (VRAM 4049 MB) 8.17.0013.0142

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#160 Apr 15 2013 at 1:34 PM Rating: Decent
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Overclocked it and totally satisfied. Best $150 i've spent on my rig yet. GTX 660 is a beauty of a card

Score:7282
Average Framerate:60.968

System:
Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3570K CPU @ 3.40GHz
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660 (VRAM 4042 MB) 9.18.0013.1422


Very nice! My overclocked 660 paired with my rusty Phenom II 955 (stock clock) only scores 5200ish. Talk about severe bottleneck...

Edit: Btw, what did you OC your GPU up to?


Edited, Apr 15th 2013 2:37pm by Threx
#161 Apr 17 2013 at 5:30 AM Rating: Decent
RedMage1993 wrote:
Hello, all, I've been trying to figure this problem out for a long while now. I've looked up guides on ways to improve performance on my computer but nothing seems to work. This is the worst part, my score has actually dropped when switching to a 7870 from my 6850. What I notice is that my GPU and CPU load never reach 99/100%, so it is kind of hard to tell if my CPU is really bottlenecking my GPU or not. I am aware from research that there may be other bottlenecks but since I'm not all that experienced at putting together rigs (this is my first one), it's kind of hard for me to identify the problem, and I was hoping that someone could please help me with this situation.

I'm starting to regret the "upgrade" and think that I should have purchased a better CPU and mobo first, but you can find a few results on Google on the question of whether or not the CPU I have could bottleneck the 7870, the majority stated that an OC'd CPU would be fine.

The average score I received with my 6850 was 4800 on 1280x720 Medium. Even that seemed kind of low to me, but I don't know, I might just be wrong. I have tried searching for people in a similar situation like mine, but all I have found is maybe two or three people with only the same GPU, and those people got scores in the 5k's on Maximum 1080p.

Here are my results with my 7870 on the exact same settings as the 6850:

Score:3441
Average Framerate:30.160

My CPU has had a stable OC from 3.2GHz to 3.8GHz.

Here are my system specs:
XFX Double D FX-787A-CDFC Radeon HD 7870 GHz Edition 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card

Western Digital WD Blue WD5000AAKX 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive - OEM

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBRL

ASUS M4A88TD-V EVO/USB3 AM3 AMD 880G HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard

Rosewill Green Series RG630-S12 630W Continuous @40°C,80 PLUS BRONZE Certified, Single 12V Rail, Active PFC "Compatible with Core i7,i5" Power Supply

AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ955FBGMBOX

I appreciate any suggestions or recommendations (like hardware upgrades), and any help. Thank you for your time.

I have a pretty low budget, btw, it took a while to save up for that 7870 so you can see how I feel kind of bad about how things have turned out...

I only mention this so that nobody goes "Just buy [insert all this expensive stuff here]" lol

[EDIT] I've found stuff about a "power saving mode" for GPUs causing low load and therefore low clocks, but I have no idea how the GPU could have its power saving mode. Is that just the performance plan or something? Could that even be it?

[EDIT 2] I have also found about how the CPU load might not actually show up as full load because it means the game is efficiently using all 4 cores. I have also turned off all power saving features from the BIOS. Still would appreciate any info.. thanks.

Edited, Apr 13th 2013 3:43am by RedMage1993

Edited, Apr 13th 2013 1:57pm by RedMage1993


Does your power supply provide enough amps for the 7870? If a card doesn't get enough juice it will either crash or throttle down.

I ran the benchmark on my i5 and a gtx 670 at medium with that resolution and settings and got a score of 16,376. 7870 is pretty close to the 670, the 995 is a fair bit off the i5 but if you were bottlenecking at the cpu the benchmark would be thrashing your cpu and it would be running at 100% constantly during the benchmark.

For what it is worth, the benchmark doesn't push my gpu to stay constantly at 100% either, there might be something about the engine which is causing that. My cpu usage fluctuates between 50-80% but is usually around 60% ish and I am not OCing my cpu or gpu.

Before spending money on upgrades, you should find specifically what you need, look around at what components other people have close to what you have and see what makes the biggest difference.
#162 May 10 2013 at 10:01 PM Rating: Decent
Actually, it ended up being something strange with what I was installing or simply it was just Windows 8 x64 professional that could not let me use it fully. I still don't have CCC installed, but yeah, I have been doing just fine on Windows 7 64-bit. I actually don't mind the "downgrade" since it's very similar and stuff.

I can't tell what happened because I did a fresh install of Windows 8 before going to 7, and it still did not work. But I'm gonna assume that there was something I was doing on the OS that was causing it, and not just blame it on the OS lol.

My 955 OC'd to 3.8ghz and psu with 630W is working pretty good with the 7870. I'll probably upgrade to a better AMD chip later or just switch to Intel tho.
#163 May 11 2013 at 10:10 PM Rating: Good
RedMage1993 wrote:
Actually, it ended up being something strange with what I was installing or simply it was just Windows 8 x64 professional that could not let me use it fully. I still don't have CCC installed, but yeah, I have been doing just fine on Windows 7 64-bit. I actually don't mind the "downgrade" since it's very similar and stuff.

I can't tell what happened because I did a fresh install of Windows 8 before going to 7, and it still did not work. But I'm gonna assume that there was something I was doing on the OS that was causing it, and not just blame it on the OS lol.

My 955 OC'd to 3.8ghz and psu with 630W is working pretty good with the 7870. I'll probably upgrade to a better AMD chip later or just switch to Intel tho.


I had the 955, great cpu. If you decide to stick with AMD I would recommend the FX-6300/FX6350. Ridiculously easy to OC. I have mine running at 4.2 on stock voltage no problem. I also have the 7870 and I'm getting high 5900s on the bench.
#164 May 28 2013 at 1:23 AM Rating: Decent
Hey everyone. I just did the benchmark.
I don't understand why, but my score isn't as high as i expected it to be. I just bought a new CPU and MOBO and graphics card, and they're all pretty much top notch. The only thing I could think of is that I ran the test without my mobo in overclock mode as well as my graphics card, did the test in standard mode. Haven't gotten around to trying it after overclocking yet. Still installing all the new updates for this new build. Any suggestions of what I could do?

FINAL FANTASY XIV: A Realm Reborn Official Benchmark (Exploration)
Tested on:5/28/2013 12:15:57 AM
Score:5163
Average Framerate:41.937
Performance:Very High
-Easily capable of running the game. Should perform exceptionally well, even at higher resolutions.

Screen Size: 1920x1080
Screen Mode: Full Screen
Graphics Presets: Maximum
General
-Improve overall graphic quality. : Enabled
-Disable rendering of objects when not visible. (Occlusion Culling) : Disabled
-Use low-detail models on distant objects to increase performance. (LOD) : Disabled
-Cache LOD data only when necessary. (LOD Streaming) : Disabled
-Smooth edges. (Anti-aliasing) : Enabled
-Increase transparent lighting quality. : Enabled
-Grass Quality : High
Shadows
-Use low-detail models on shadows to increase performance. (LOD) : Disabled
-Display : All
-Shadow Resolution : High: 2048 pixels
-Shadow Cascading : High
-Shadow Softening : High
Texture Detail
-Texture Filtering : High
-Anisotropic Filtering : High
Effects
-Naturally darken the edges of the screen. (Limb Darkening) : Enabled
-Blur the graphics around an object in motion. (Radial Blur) : Enabled
-Effects While in Motion : Display All
-Screen Space Ambient Occlusion : High
-Glare : Normal
Cinematic Cutscenes
-Enable depth of field. : Enabled

System:
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit (6.1, Build 7601) Service Pack 1 (7601.win7sp1_gdr.110408-1631)
AMD FX(tm)-8350 Eight-Core Processor
8141.504MB
ASUS HD7850 Series(VRAM 1743 MB) 8.17.0010.1119

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#165 May 28 2013 at 1:43 AM Rating: Decent
I decreased the resolution slightly to 1680x1050 and the result was 1000 points higher than at 1920x1080. I can see a noticeable difference when I cut back in the resolution though :/ I hate being a perfectionist hahah
#167 May 28 2013 at 6:23 AM Rating: Decent
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I decreased the resolution slightly to 1680x1050 and the result was 1000 points higher than at 1920x1080. I can see a noticeable difference when I cut back in the resolution though :/ I hate being a perfectionist hahah


I think the game is really GPU dependent, particularly vRam. You can see on this thread people with almost the same setup as me, except a GPU with 4gb of vRam vs my 1100~ get a much better score than I can get.
#168 May 28 2013 at 9:10 AM Rating: Decent
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Score:8987
Average Framerate:78.644
Performance:Extremely High
-Easily capable of running the game on the highest settings.

Screen Size: 1920x1080
Screen Mode: Full Screen
Graphics Presets: Maximum

Can't wait till the game is released! :D Will run beautifully with my GTX 780!
#169 May 28 2013 at 9:14 AM Rating: Decent
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Score: 3890

1920x1080
Full Screen
Standard Graphics

This is on a mid range gaming laptop with a quad core i7-3610QM (2.3GHz), 650m graphics card, so I'm fairly pleased.

I got 1300 with the integrated graphics chip, for comparison.

Edited, May 28th 2013 9:46pm by Dizmo

Edited, Jun 12th 2013 8:10pm by Dizmo
#170 May 29 2013 at 5:00 AM Rating: Decent
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FINAL FANTASY XIV: A Realm Reborn Official Benchmark (Exploration)
Tested on:5/29/2013 6:58:42 AM
Score:4371
Average Framerate:34.943
Performance:High
-Easily capable of running the game. Should perform well, even at higher resolutions.

Screen Size: 1920x1080
Screen Mode: Full Screen
Graphics Presets: Custom
General
-Improve overall graphic quality. : Enabled
-Disable rendering of objects when not visible. (Occlusion Culling) : Disabled
-Use low-detail models on distant objects to increase performance. (LOD) : Enabled
-Cache LOD data only when necessary. (LOD Streaming) : Disabled
-Smooth edges. (Anti-aliasing) : Enabled
-Increase transparent lighting quality. : Enabled
-Grass Quality : High
Shadows
-Use low-detail models on shadows to increase performance. (LOD) : Disabled
-Display : All
-Shadow Resolution : High: 2048 pixels
-Shadow Cascading : High
-Shadow Softening : High
Texture Detail
-Texture Filtering : High
-Anisotropic Filtering : High
Effects
-Naturally darken the edges of the screen. (Limb Darkening) : Enabled
-Blur the graphics around an object in motion. (Radial Blur) : Enabled
-Effects While in Motion : Display All
-Screen Space Ambient Occlusion : High
-Glare : Normal
Cinematic Cutscenes
-Enable depth of field. : Enabled

System:
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit (6.1, Build 7600) (7600.win7_gdr.110622-1503)
AMD FX(tm)-6300 Six-Core Processor
4077.242MB
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 Ti(VRAM 2776 MB) 8.17.0012.6644


I guess my old 560ti will be viable for one more year on this rig.
#171 May 29 2013 at 10:37 AM Rating: Decent
Yeah I guess I kind of figured that a 2gb vRAM GPU would suffice, plus my 8-core CPU on top of that but I suppose not! Oh well, I suppose 6k-ish will have to do haha
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I've noticed that AMD processors, regardless of cores, tend not to do as well as the Intel processors. Also, the game can't take advantage of hyper threading as far as I know, so 8 cores isn't really going to help that much.

All the best scores I've seen have come from Intel Core i7s.
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#173 May 29 2013 at 12:27 PM Rating: Good
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I've noticed that AMD processors, regardless of cores, tend not to do as well as the Intel processors. Also, the game can't take advantage of hyper threading as far as I know, so 8 cores isn't really going to help that much.

All the best scores I've seen have come from Intel Core i7s.


Another thing I noticed was that Nvidia cards seem to be scoring higher. Earlier in the thread someone had a similar set up to mine but was scoring about 400 points higher with a 660TI vs my 7870. The cards are pretty similar performance-wise, but the 660TI seems to handle the bench better.
#174 Jun 03 2013 at 8:12 PM Rating: Decent
Score:6611
1600x900 Medium
Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3610QM CPU @ 2.30GHz
NVIDIA GEFORCE GT 650M

I am surprised this laptop could get those scores on medium lol :O

Edited, Jun 3rd 2013 10:12pm by amthysir
#175 Jun 03 2013 at 8:57 PM Rating: Default
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I actually have a question and hope someone can answer for me.

I have a gaming laptop with a Nvidia 680m in it, but when I run the benchmark and get my score and all that it tells me my GPU is the Intel HD graphics.

Is that the Nvidia Optimus' fault? My scores at running everything maxed out has been right at 5200 at about 40 fps if I remember right. I haven't looked at it in a while. But it's been annoying that everytime I've tried it that it won't bring up my actual GPU in the system summary.

Edited, Jun 3rd 2013 10:59pm by Hatamaz
#176 Jun 03 2013 at 9:12 PM Rating: Good
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My guess would be that because you have an integrated card, it automatically defaults to that for the summary (the benchmark probably just doesn't know how to read multiple cards and just picks the base chip for analysis). I'm really not sure how you'd go about changing that... but I can tell you with 100% certainty that you wouldn't be getting even close to that score if you were running the integrated card for the test, so I wouldn't worry about it.
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