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#27Ostia, Posted: May 11 2013 at 12:44 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Do you even realize you come off as a stalker ? Every thread i post, you seem to have this knack of jumping in mid argument with somebody and make some statement about something you know nothing off....
#28 May 11 2013 at 12:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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i said that WOW has a core player base that just like FFXI player base, will sub and unsub to try the new expansion, they are not playing 24/7 365 days a year, but they will sub a month or 2 a year to see what's new...


Says the guy who obviously hasn't been playing FFXI over the past few years, lol.
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Do you even realize you come off as a stalker ?


I'm not the one who just wrote a half page manifesto based on a 1-line comment. I'm flattered that you think I care enough to stalk you. I don't, but still, I'm touched.

Edited, May 11th 2013 10:38pm by BartelX
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Ostia is going to take a break for a few days and see if he can be civil to everyone.
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#31 May 12 2013 at 12:48 AM Rating: Excellent
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Ostia is going to take a break for a few days and see if he can be civil to everyone.


I would be surprised if he will.
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Ostia is going to take a break for a few days and see if he can be civil to everyone.


Honestly I don't think people are being much more civil to him (others like him) than he is to others a lot of the time. The biggest difference is most other people agree with each others points so they don't mind it when people call him an ***.

Edited, May 12th 2013 11:01am by Belcrono
#33 May 12 2013 at 9:08 AM Rating: Excellent
Ostia isn't just disagreeing though... He is trolling, and irrationally. Disagreement is fine, but you've got to keep it real. You can't post with the intent of only getting under other people's skin.
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Back on topic.

As I mentioned elsewhere, while WoW can easily shurg off 1.3 million due to its age, that number could easily sustain FFXIV. WoW isn't bleeding that number because the game is suddenly bad, but because it is old and aged. Lots of people argue against 'WoW' clones, but games that run similar standard mechanics while keeping some things, like lore and specific combat quirks, unique, could easily make a good gradual profit form the slight differentials.

ARR is making smart decisions from what I've seen of the interviews and press releases. So long as they keep it distinctly 'Final Fantasy' I honestly won't mind if it feels more like the standard MMO fare.

I looked at that article and felt "Wow, 1.3 million fresh subscriptions just entered the market to bid for." Not "Oh my god this is the end of P2P". If people want it enough, they'll pay for it.
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Belcrono wrote:
Wint wrote:
Ostia is going to take a break for a few days and see if he can be civil to everyone.


Honestly I don't think people are being much more civil to him (others like him) than he is to others a lot of the time. The biggest difference is most other people agree with each others points so they don't mind it when people call him an ***.

Edited, May 12th 2013 11:01am by Belcrono



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Ostia, quit acting like a belligerent ***. Seriously. You're better than that.


But i was bored :( The Legue Q for ranks where horrible last night.... And they rage so easily Smiley: lol



Thats a quote from another thread. It seems as he himself said likes to troll us so please excuse me if i don't like it and don't believe its the same with the rest.
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I don't want to make this thread go somewhere it shouldn't so I won't say anything about it after this. I am not saying he never trolls, but I also think it has reached a point where people on these forums expect him to troll to the point where anything he says is interpreted in a certain way. I see things where most people wouldn't mind it if someone else said what he did, but just because it is him he gets a negative response/reaction. I guess one could argue he put himself in that position which might be true, but imo I still think people can be better.

Anyway, I wasn't saying he didn't deserve a suspension that is not for me to say, but I wanted to get that out there either way. Sorry for the thread-interruption.
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I don't want to make this thread go somewhere it shouldn't so I won't say anything about it after this. I am not saying he never trolls, but I also think it has reached a point where people on these forums expect him to troll to the point where anything he says is interpreted in a certain way. I see things where most people wouldn't mind it if someone else said what he did, but just because it is him he gets a negative response/reaction. I guess one could argue he put himself in that position which might be true, but imo I still think people can be better.

Anyway, I wasn't saying he didn't deserve a suspension that is not for me to say, but I wanted to get that out there either way. Sorry for the thread-interruption.


It's a good point, and so I think I'll just expand on this and encourage civility as much as possible (for an internet forum) from everyone. This includes conversations with Killua, Ostia, and those others who may not agree with the current forum majority. Mrmoderator you need to chill out too.

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Belcrono wrote:
I don't want to make this thread go somewhere it shouldn't so I won't say anything about it after this. I am not saying he never trolls, but I also think it has reached a point where people on these forums expect him to troll to the point where anything he says is interpreted in a certain way. I see things where most people wouldn't mind it if someone else said what he did, but just because it is him he gets a negative response/reaction. I guess one could argue he put himself in that position which might be true, but imo I still think people can be better.

Anyway, I wasn't saying he didn't deserve a suspension that is not for me to say, but I wanted to get that out there either way. Sorry for the thread-interruption.


It's a good point, and so I think I'll just expand on this and encourage civility as much as possible (for an internet forum) from everyone. This includes conversations with Killua, Ostia, and those others who may not agree with the current forum majority. Mrmoderator you need to chill out too.

I like our forums, I think we have more intelligent conversations than some others, and I like not having to step on necks if I can help it Smiley: thumbsup


Good points. Also remember that not everyone knows how to properly articulate their thoughts at all times, myself included, so if there ever is a post that might strike one of us the wrong way, maybe a more adequate response would be to request clarification from the poster in question.
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Belcrono wrote:
I don't want to make this thread go somewhere it shouldn't so I won't say anything about it after this. I am not saying he never trolls, but I also think it has reached a point where people on these forums expect him to troll to the point where anything he says is interpreted in a certain way. I see things where most people wouldn't mind it if someone else said what he did, but just because it is him he gets a negative response/reaction. I guess one could argue he put himself in that position which might be true, but imo I still think people can be better.

Anyway, I wasn't saying he didn't deserve a suspension that is not for me to say, but I wanted to get that out there either way. Sorry for the thread-interruption.


Since most of the derogatory comments were actually sent my way, I will say that I personally don't care if he wants to go that route. I've been through enough in life to realize that the comments made on a forum don't really mean all that much in the grand scheme. However, I do think that it is just not needed on these forums, and certainly doesn't add anything. The vast majority of posters on here seem to keep a civil tone. For instance, Kachi tends to have a differing opinion than most, yet he is able to keep a civil and rational argument throughout his posts without throwing out demeaning insults and name-calling. Killua may give a dissenting opinion that is unpopular, but he is also very civil and under control in his posts. I respect that. I don't respect calling people noobs and idiots over a simple disagreement.

Edited, May 13th 2013 12:18am by BartelX
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BartelX wrote:
Belcrono wrote:
I don't want to make this thread go somewhere it shouldn't so I won't say anything about it after this. I am not saying he never trolls, but I also think it has reached a point where people on these forums expect him to troll to the point where anything he says is interpreted in a certain way. I see things where most people wouldn't mind it if someone else said what he did, but just because it is him he gets a negative response/reaction. I guess one could argue he put himself in that position which might be true, but imo I still think people can be better.

Anyway, I wasn't saying he didn't deserve a suspension that is not for me to say, but I wanted to get that out there either way. Sorry for the thread-interruption.


Since most of the derogatory comments were actually sent my way, I will say that I personally don't care if he wants to go that route. I've been through enough in life to realize that the comments made on a forum don't really mean all that much in the grand scheme. However, I do think that it is just not needed on these forums, and certainly doesn't add anything. The vast majority of posters on here seem to keep a civil tone. For instance, Kachi tends to have a differing opinion than most, yet he is able to keep a civil and rational argument throughout his posts without throwing out demeaning insults and name-calling. Killua may give a dissenting opinion that is unpopular, but he is also very civil and under control in his posts. I respect that. I don't respect calling people noobs and idiots over a simple disagreement.

Edited, May 13th 2013 12:18am by BartelX


I called you an idiot.... You act like i went all out on you or you where killua or something who btw gets treated worse around this parts lol
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Probably a bad idea to continue the topic that got you muted in the first place. Just sayin'.
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ahhh wint what must i chill out on? for i have no clue what ive done...
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A little OT FFXIV wise but.. Just wondered what my friends here at ZAM thought. http://games.yahoo.com/blogs/plugged-in/world-warcraft-loses-1-3-million-players-three-233637952.html

PS. Just found this.. not sure if it has already been posted or not.. http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/61825

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I think time will tell whether this speaks to the overall popularity of MMOs.

One must wonder in the world of constant connectivity, has the allure of playing a massively connected game lost it's appeal? I for one know that it was a feeling that will never be recaptured when I enjoyed my first "connected" experience. Largely due to the fact that I didn't grow up on facebook, and XBox Live... In fact to show the difference, the first console online experience I ever had was ChuChu Rocket... and that to me felt like I was living in the real "year 2000," the kind you only dreamed of in the 90s. Where technology bridged the gap between my small world and everyone else's

Now however, younger gamers take such connectivity for granted... as they should. It's part of their existence, in it's entirety I might add. So what is so special about an MMO to them?

Of course it could also simply be as was stated, that it's an old game. People want something new, and their tired of the 15th tier of end game armor. I suppose the next few years will show what the real reason is.
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I sure hope those millions make there way to ARR would be of epicness in my eyes being a complete hater of WoW and all that it is....


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Did WoW kill your father and burn your village down or something? Irrational hatred of something is not usually a good thing to be carrying around.


Well, it could be said that WoW nearly has/had a monopoly on the sub based MMO market... it seems like a natural human reaction to hate monopolies. No one get's enraged when people hate Standard Oil... why should hatred for WoW be any different?

Edited, May 15th 2013 4:24pm by je355804

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Ostia isn't just disagreeing though... He is trolling, and irrationally. Disagreement is fine, but you've got to keep it real. You can't post with the intent of only getting under other people's skin.



Hmmm, while I agree with points made by yourself, Bartel, and Ostia... I would say if that is considered trolling then there is clearly a very narrowly defined measure of what is acceptable. He made many good point... and besides a few harsh comments made in both directions, I would say the only thing he was guilty of was being on the opposite side of the majority.
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