Veagan wrote:
Not one bit. But I do get to sit back and watch it go down the drain. :)
If you really want to get the brawlers in here you need better bait. I would say the PvP vs PvE but that already got super ugly.
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If you really want to get the brawlers in here you need better bait. I would say the PvP vs PvE but that already got super ugly.
Aekotie the Fussy wrote:
I can't tell if serious or sarcastic. . . Regardless, good luck...!
Well I meant it does seem like a massive invasion of privacy and its just begging to be misused. But can it still be defeated by a dish towel?
Oooh ho ho yeah. I'm definitely interested to see where this ship is going.
I will not be sucked in to this..!
Yeah, the giant flames told me to keep a safe, spectator's distance away from the console. On principle, I cannot support the business model they are going for. Not above a PC. I'm fairly confident I'm not alone in that sentiment.
I passed up the original Xbox. The 'Xbone" will likely get passed up as well. It did, however, remind me how much I neglected my poor PS3 this generation.
I passed up the original Xbox. The 'Xbone" will likely get passed up as well. It did, however, remind me how much I neglected my poor PS3 this generation.
electromagnet83 wrote:
Not to mention PC games require constant upgrades to play the best graphics... whereas console devs figure out how to harness more and more power out of the same hardware. But I still love pc gaming regardless.
Just want to chime in and say that isnt really true anymore, for two reasons.
The late 90s/early 2000s rapid ramp of hardware was largely caused by ever inflating screen resolutions. Check out PC mags from 2003/4 and you'll see benchmark resolutions on CRT monitors way above what you take as standard today. It wasnt until the current big trend of 1920x1080 16:9 hit in the mid/late 2000s pushed by the movie industry that this hardware escalation to play games "at their best" slowed. There are quite a few interesting articles out there commenting on the fact that 8 years ago PC users would laugh at any other multimedia devices screen resolution. Now you have huge pixel density on smart phones and tablets compared to your mid-range VDU. Which is odd considering if you're going to appreciate no jaggies, its going to be if you're playing games or rendering on a PC. I forget who it was, but one major graphics card vendor (I think it was nVidia?) were quoted as saying in the early 2000s, that Anti Aliasing is a waste of time as by the time you'd have hardware capable of running it fast enough, screen resolutions will be so dense you wont notice the jaggies anyway.
Also, hardware components have jumped in power so much in the last couple of years that very little out there makes full use of a modern CPU. If you ever see slowdown in games, and youre an owner of a £200 I5/7 Ivybridge or later, chances are that its your GPU or some other component causing the bottleneck. Not the CPU. Add to that, that RAM prices are incredibly low for the size available now. Anyone into PCs in the late 80s and early 90s will recall how expensive RAM was. Top end graphics cards are probably your only really expensive part of a PC now, and even those are pretty much not needed to get the vast majority of new titles to run spectacularly. The major bonus of Consoles over PC's is the neat package. All you need to know to get a console going is which bit plugs into the wall, and which bit plugs into the telly. The complexity and variety of PCs puts average Joe off, despite it being hugely more simplified now than it was previously. At least now a days you dont get Windows screaming "IRQ CONFLICT! IRQ CONFLICT!!" when you even mentioned putting in a new sound card near it.
Of course, I don't question your love of PC gaming. Game on brother! \m/
Probably good to read down the whole forum. I already admitted I was incorrect in a subsequent post.
I'm personally glad I dropped my money into a decent gaming PC. Consoles definitely seem to be heading toward the "casual" market, even more so than previous generations. When I heard the details of the PS4 I knew I wasn't interested in ever owning one and I have never considered getting an Xbox before (mostly back from my FFXI days and finding out you had to pay for an XBL account plus the FFXI sub) and I certainly haven't changed my mind with the X Bone. As someone that is avidly against Big Brother scenarios I would never own a Kinect or Move, and the fact that the Kinect is an integral part of the system just turns my stomach...Not to mention the near "Always Online" garbage.
That spiel aside, I personally think that the X Bone will do very well and the choices that Microsoft have made in it's development were probably quite smart. The reasoning behind this is the massive influx of "phone gamers" in the past couple years. People that we most likely wouldn't even consider "casuals" by our definitions that enjoy multimedia devices. This demographic might not have been quite ready to harvest for the PS3, but the Wii has proven that it's there. What better way to round them all up than with a system that doesn't even require you to use a controller. I'm sure they will have improved the Kinect enough to make it useable for the sort of games those kinds of people would be interested in.
And I'm sure there will be a small group of people that will end up buying the system with little to no intentions of playing video games on it... Altana help us all...
That spiel aside, I personally think that the X Bone will do very well and the choices that Microsoft have made in it's development were probably quite smart. The reasoning behind this is the massive influx of "phone gamers" in the past couple years. People that we most likely wouldn't even consider "casuals" by our definitions that enjoy multimedia devices. This demographic might not have been quite ready to harvest for the PS3, but the Wii has proven that it's there. What better way to round them all up than with a system that doesn't even require you to use a controller. I'm sure they will have improved the Kinect enough to make it useable for the sort of games those kinds of people would be interested in.
And I'm sure there will be a small group of people that will end up buying the system with little to no intentions of playing video games on it... Altana help us all...
They might pick up some casuals and nongamers, but will they outweigh the cost of alienating the gamers. I really hate having this doom and gloom outlook, but it's like they are purposely trying to get me to not buy it. Like you Damien, I'm glad I put money into a good computer. It seems like the advantages that consoles did have are no longer there.
I really enjoyed the Xbox360, However with some of the ideas they have like always being internet connected and always listening (maybe even recording /tinfoil hat) I'm not to exited for XboxONE. Having to have friends on your list for 30 day's to be able to permanently trade games and connect every hour to make sure you are who you claim to be on live? Now that's just ridiculous. Who's paranoid now?
The Xbox will never go down cause they got all the dumb jocks and wanna be thugs buying one. Then all the hardcore gamers who have to own every system. Not sure what it is about the system that attracts that demographic, but it does.
For me, none of the exclusives have been all that attractive. Halo is probably ok, but FPS' on consoles are eh at the best of times.
For me, none of the exclusives have been all that attractive. Halo is probably ok, but FPS' on consoles are eh at the best of times.
No interest in Xbox. I also don't like how it SPIES on you. Was watching a movie and the record sound was on, to get our feedback to the movie.
NSA anyone?
Also, I used to sell used PS1 games at a nice premium, then PS2 came out along with Greatest Hits, and there went
my business.
There is a market for used games, and neither Microsoft and Sony want anyone but them to gain from it. NIntendo ds won't let
you play used games at all.
Swapping with friends games used to be fun, now its a bigger business and the reines are being pulled in.
Microsoft has my computing business, however I've always looked to Sony for entertainment equipment.
Grand Momma
NSA anyone?
Also, I used to sell used PS1 games at a nice premium, then PS2 came out along with Greatest Hits, and there went
my business.
There is a market for used games, and neither Microsoft and Sony want anyone but them to gain from it. NIntendo ds won't let
you play used games at all.
Swapping with friends games used to be fun, now its a bigger business and the reines are being pulled in.
Microsoft has my computing business, however I've always looked to Sony for entertainment equipment.
Grand Momma
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I'm actually not opposed to video game console manufacturers requiring that you buy a license for whatever game you want to play. For example, you buy Assassin's Creed XIV, which comes with one free license, which you then register on your machine... and then you can play it. If someone else gets your game disc, they'd then have to buy a license to play the game on their machine. Yeah, it kind of sucks, and it is definitely more restrictive... totally makes swapping games between friends and family members infeasible, unless you bring your entire console along with you... but it's the company's right to do that, and I don't see anything seriously wrong with that.
However, I think it's bad to require consoles to be connected to the Internet at all times in order to be playable. Aside from the obvious implications of privacy, what about people who may be forced to turn off their Internet connections for awhile?
If you buy a gaming console, the only other thing you should need to play is a TV... period.
However, I think it's bad to require consoles to be connected to the Internet at all times in order to be playable. Aside from the obvious implications of privacy, what about people who may be forced to turn off their Internet connections for awhile?
If you buy a gaming console, the only other thing you should need to play is a TV... period.
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Never been an Xbox fan. I'm cautiously anticipating the Microsoft and Sony conferences on Monday. I'm hoping the PS4 doesn't have any of this restrictive nonsense. Microsoft can try to clarify these settings all they want--I think word-of-mouth has already gone out about this, which is hurting the system's prospective market. I won't be surprised if the Xbox One flops. I'm ambivalent about buying a PS4 day one because Sony has not given us nearly enough information about the system.
Oh, and to clarify about a question from earlier in the thread: the Xbox One is called this because it's an "all-in-one" console. One system to rule them all, and so forth.
Oh, and to clarify about a question from earlier in the thread: the Xbox One is called this because it's an "all-in-one" console. One system to rule them all, and so forth.
Montsegurnephcreep wrote:
The Xbox will never go down cause they got all the dumb jocks and wanna be thugs buying one. Then all the hardcore gamers who have to own every system. Not sure what it is about the system that attracts that demographic, but it does.
For me, none of the exclusives have been all that attractive. Halo is probably ok, but FPS' on consoles are eh at the best of times.
For me, none of the exclusives have been all that attractive. Halo is probably ok, but FPS' on consoles are eh at the best of times.
I had to begrudgingly enter a GameStop on my vein quest to procure a copy of the Skyrim: Legendary Edition for PC. While there I overheard one of the workers there teasing a couple of boys no older than 8 or 9 about not knowing what the new Map Pack for Call of Duty was. Those boys acted as if it was the most important thing in gaming to come out this year... I thought to myself "Yup, those are future X Bone owners".
Grandmomma wrote:
No interest in Xbox. I also don't like how it SPIES on you. Was watching a movie and the record sound was on, to get our feedback to the movie.
NSA anyone?
Also, I used to sell used PS1 games at a nice premium, then PS2 came out along with Greatest Hits, and there went
my business.
There is a market for used games, and neither Microsoft and Sony want anyone but them to gain from it. NIntendo ds won't let
you play used games at all.
Swapping with friends games used to be fun, now its a bigger business and the reines are being pulled in.
Microsoft has my computing business, however I've always looked to Sony for entertainment equipment.
Grand Momma
NSA anyone?
Also, I used to sell used PS1 games at a nice premium, then PS2 came out along with Greatest Hits, and there went
my business.
There is a market for used games, and neither Microsoft and Sony want anyone but them to gain from it. NIntendo ds won't let
you play used games at all.
Swapping with friends games used to be fun, now its a bigger business and the reines are being pulled in.
Microsoft has my computing business, however I've always looked to Sony for entertainment equipment.
Grand Momma
Wow I can't believe that the new DS systems don't allow for used games.. I guess that's why I haven't noticed a used section in stores for them... I remember trading in pretty much all of my NES/Sega/N64/Dreamcast stuff and getting over $300 and buying a used Gamecube and several games (oh how I wish I never let that friend talk me in to doing that XD). Now I probably wouldn't even have gotten $100 for an entire library of old games.
Now it seems like these companies would much rather sell you a service than an actual physical product. This is one of those areas where technology has surpassed lawmaking capabilities and I think that there should be some limit on this practice. If you buy a copy of a game it is your property to do with as you wish. Companies should not have the right to say that you can't sell it to someone else second hand or buy from them in the same way. We don't do this with other forms of media, why should videogames be any different. At least with PC gaming you kind of expect it, with all of the codes and everything. But back in the day you could probably just give someone the CD key along with the game. I still think that Steam should have a market to sell used games, even if they take a small cut of the sale. Although this would probably make them lose too much money to ever become a reality.
Err, I have never heard anything about that and I can't find any news on Nintendo doing that.
I have lent games to friends plenty of times, and I see used 3DS games all over ebay... or are you making a prediction that Nintendo will do it?
I actually think Nintendo is laughing their way to the bank at this point... Nintendo has managed to completely take itself out of console wars for a long time now, and with no restrictions on software and what you can do with your games/consoles, they're even FURTHER separating themselves from Xbox and PlayStation.
Btw, I see a lot of people defending the Xbox One because Steam does it. well, Steam has always been a download service and marketed itself as such.
I don't see how the comparison is even being made when all these restrictions on Xbox One games are for physical copies too. I would understand if I can't gift my friends a downloaded game (like Steam, or downloaded XBL/PSN games), the whole thing is that I can't lend my friends physical copies of my games. Such a dumb comparison and argument to make.
To a lot of people, this is like if you bought a Blu-Ray movie, and you had to connect to the internet to watch that movie, and you couldn't lend that movie away, or rent it.
Edited, Jun 8th 2013 5:07pm by Killua125
I have lent games to friends plenty of times, and I see used 3DS games all over ebay... or are you making a prediction that Nintendo will do it?
I actually think Nintendo is laughing their way to the bank at this point... Nintendo has managed to completely take itself out of console wars for a long time now, and with no restrictions on software and what you can do with your games/consoles, they're even FURTHER separating themselves from Xbox and PlayStation.
Btw, I see a lot of people defending the Xbox One because Steam does it. well, Steam has always been a download service and marketed itself as such.
I don't see how the comparison is even being made when all these restrictions on Xbox One games are for physical copies too. I would understand if I can't gift my friends a downloaded game (like Steam, or downloaded XBL/PSN games), the whole thing is that I can't lend my friends physical copies of my games. Such a dumb comparison and argument to make.
To a lot of people, this is like if you bought a Blu-Ray movie, and you had to connect to the internet to watch that movie, and you couldn't lend that movie away, or rent it.
Edited, Jun 8th 2013 5:07pm by Killua125
Thayos wrote:
I'm actually not opposed to video game console manufacturers requiring that you buy a license for whatever game you want to play. For example, you buy Assassin's Creed XIV, which comes with one free license, which you then register on your machine... and then you can play it. If someone else gets your game disc, they'd then have to buy a license to play the game on their machine. Yeah, it kind of sucks, and it is definitely more restrictive... totally makes swapping games between friends and family members infeasible, unless you bring your entire console along with you... but it's the company's right to do that, and I don't see anything seriously wrong with that.
However, I think it's bad to require consoles to be connected to the Internet at all times in order to be playable. Aside from the obvious implications of privacy, what about people who may be forced to turn off their Internet connections for awhile?
If you buy a gaming console, the only other thing you should need to play is a TV... period.
However, I think it's bad to require consoles to be connected to the Internet at all times in order to be playable. Aside from the obvious implications of privacy, what about people who may be forced to turn off their Internet connections for awhile?
If you buy a gaming console, the only other thing you should need to play is a TV... period.
Sure it is the company's right but that doesn't make it right. I can lend out my current games, DVDs, blu-rays, lawnmower, vacuum, car if needed, my book bag, textbooks, fiction books, etc. Should it be reasonable for all of these manufacturers, if possible, to allow only me to use them , say through thumbprint I'd? What makes software so special and unique in this regard?
An interesting question I've been pondering is this: If see do move towards single license purchasing where the game can not be duplicated or borrowed, will software once again enter the age of returnable items? If I buy a game and it flat out sucks, and I am unable to sell it, then shouldn't I be able to return it?
electromagnet83 wrote:
Thayos wrote:
I'm actually not opposed to video game console manufacturers requiring that you buy a license for whatever game you want to play. For example, you buy Assassin's Creed XIV, which comes with one free license, which you then register on your machine... and then you can play it. If someone else gets your game disc, they'd then have to buy a license to play the game on their machine. Yeah, it kind of sucks, and it is definitely more restrictive... totally makes swapping games between friends and family members infeasible, unless you bring your entire console along with you... but it's the company's right to do that, and I don't see anything seriously wrong with that.
However, I think it's bad to require consoles to be connected to the Internet at all times in order to be playable. Aside from the obvious implications of privacy, what about people who may be forced to turn off their Internet connections for awhile?
If you buy a gaming console, the only other thing you should need to play is a TV... period.
However, I think it's bad to require consoles to be connected to the Internet at all times in order to be playable. Aside from the obvious implications of privacy, what about people who may be forced to turn off their Internet connections for awhile?
If you buy a gaming console, the only other thing you should need to play is a TV... period.
Sure it is the company's right but that doesn't make it right. I can lend out my current games, DVDs, blu-rays, lawnmower, vacuum, car if needed, my book bag, textbooks, fiction books, etc. Should it be reasonable for all of these manufacturers, if possible, to allow only me to use them , say through thumbprint I'd? What makes software so special and unique in this regard?
An interesting question I've been pondering is this: If see do move towards single license purchasing where the game can not be duplicated or borrowed, will software once again enter the age of returnable items? If I buy a game and it flat out sucks, and I am unable to sell it, then shouldn't I be able to return it?
It was supposed to be that way for all IP properties. Actually the properties are supposed to be freely used by the public after a set amount of time.. The entertainment industry pays government officials money and extend their duration.
Microsoft has really not sold me on the Xbox One. I'm far more interested in PS4 at this point, and even then, I have no urge to get it right at release. (Especially if they're aiming for a Christmas release, in which case getting one is going to be a pain in the ***.)
What am I saying, I hardly even touch the PS3 right now.
What am I saying, I hardly even touch the PS3 right now.
Thayos wrote:
I'm actually not opposed to video game console manufacturers requiring that you buy a license for whatever game you want to play. For example, you buy Assassin's Creed XIV, which comes with one free license, which you then register on your machine... and then you can play it. If someone else gets your game disc, they'd then have to buy a license to play the game on their machine. Yeah, it kind of sucks, and it is definitely more restrictive... totally makes swapping games between friends and family members infeasible, unless you bring your entire console along with you... but it's the company's right to do that, and I don't see anything seriously wrong with that.
However, I think it's bad to require consoles to be connected to the Internet at all times in order to be playable. Aside from the obvious implications of privacy, what about people who may be forced to turn off their Internet connections for awhile?
If you buy a gaming console, the only other thing you should need to play is a TV... period.
However, I think it's bad to require consoles to be connected to the Internet at all times in order to be playable. Aside from the obvious implications of privacy, what about people who may be forced to turn off their Internet connections for awhile?
If you buy a gaming console, the only other thing you should need to play is a TV... period.
When i want to buy a game i want to be the "master" of that game disk or whatever. For example i bought 15 games and for some reason my xbox broke and i buy a new one. Then what? I need to re buy them all? Anyway its developers "right" to do what ever they want with their games but they shouldn't expect the gamers to follow them.
Believe it or not the harder anti piracy tricks and programs they use the bigger the piracy is gonna be. MS decision to do that will backfire for sure.
Games for pc that have DRM or something similar had massive piracy and if you ask me well deserved because those program actually mess up your game, i had games that took me HOURS to play casue of stupid DRM. But then you got games like The wticher that didn't have DRM and did really really good sales because gamers reward good developers.
The button line is i honestly hope Microsoft to fail because money hungry companies are not ok.
Catwho wrote:
Microsoft has really not sold me on the Xbox One. I'm far more interested in PS4 at this point, and even then, I have no urge to get it right at release. (Especially if they're aiming for a Christmas release, in which case getting one is going to be a pain in the ***.)
What am I saying, I hardly even touch the PS3 right now.
What am I saying, I hardly even touch the PS3 right now.
I got desperate with xbox one because in amazon.de they put mirror's edge 2 as an xbox game. They took it down now but it's a possibility that mirror's edge 2 will be an exclusive game for xboxone. That made me rage in the monitor. One of my favorite games and look what they are doing. But still i will not buy an xboxone for just one game.
PS4 or bust.
***** microsoft
***** microsoft
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Edit: On another note. The fact that this is turning into a government conspiracy thread is silly. If the government is watching us it is because WE GIVE THEM The power to do so. Nobody says you have to agree to facebook, google, PSN, or Microsoft's privacy policy and risk being watched. It is the user's "choice."
Well. The point is just that nobody agreed on that.
Catwho wrote:
Microsoft has really not sold me on the Xbox One. I'm far more interested in PS4 at this point, and even then, I have no urge to get it right at release. (Especially if they're aiming for a Christmas release, in which case getting one is going to be a pain in the ***.)
What am I saying, I hardly even touch the PS3 right now.
What am I saying, I hardly even touch the PS3 right now.
There are a lot of good games that I've passed on when they were $60 new that are less than $15 used these days. If you ever want to use your PS3 more, just stop by a Gamestop sometime.
While we are at it, scary stuff:
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/06/10/politics/nsa-leak/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
One more reason to not buy the spybox.
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/06/10/politics/nsa-leak/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
One more reason to not buy the spybox.
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