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#52 Jun 24 2013 at 12:56 PM Rating: Default
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name one story based FIGHT in FFXI that could be soloed (unless you were already overlevled)

I used to solo the 2-3 Dragon fight as MNK long before the 25 level cap was lifted. People used to solo it was PLD/WHM as well.

MNK could solo the Arch Lich fight when it was capped at lvl 50.



yeah that took skill or the right job to do not EVERYONE could do it. It wasnt MADE to be soloed. So stuff like that doesnt count. Ther wer eppl who could solo the bomb king/queen.. but that doesnt mean it was "soloable" as not EVERYONE could do it

(random note.. didnt know teh removed the caps from the city mission stuff.. thought they only got rid of the CoP caps)
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#53 Jun 24 2013 at 12:59 PM Rating: Good
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Ther wer eppl who could solo the bomb king/queen.. but that doesnt mean it was "soloable"


Uh.. that's exactly what "soloable" means.

It literally means, "able to be soloed." What it isn't is solo content. It's group content, that's soloable by some people.

If you'd like a different example of that, I believe there's a video floating around somewhere of someone soloing The Lich King in WoW. Doesn't mean The Lich King is solo content, but he IS soloable if you're that guy.
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#54 Jun 24 2013 at 1:04 PM Rating: Good
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exactly so now if at least 50% of the story stuff is in a non soloable dungeon or takes place in a BCNM< which requires a party (i.e ifrit) then Ill be happy. I never said 100% of teh story stuff had to be party related.. heck there was soloable stuff in CoP if a remember correctly (though that was like 3 out of 100 lol)


Smiley: rolleyes Two posts ago you said "name one story based FIGHT in FFXI that could be soloed"... I named five from the first 4 ranks of Bastok alone, so now you see my point? Do you understand why I said your opinion of FFXI was jaded and why you sound like just another complainer in this thread? They've released 20 levels of storyline content for XIV, and about half of the battles so far have to be done in a group, including basically all of the last 5 levels worth. I can't say for sure how the rest of the storyline goes, but if what we have now is any indication, you'll get what you want. So just quit with the drama posts, and quit trying to contradict for contradictions sake.

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#55 Jun 24 2013 at 1:09 PM Rating: Default
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Ther wer eppl who could solo the bomb king/queen.. but that doesnt mean it was "soloable"


Uh.. that's exactly what "soloable" means.

It literally means, "able to be soloed." What it isn't is solo content. It's group content, that's soloable by some people.

If you'd like a different example of that, I believe there's a video floating around somewhere of someone soloing The Lich King in WoW. Doesn't mean The Lich King is solo content, but he IS soloable if you're that guy.



soloable to me means it was MADE to be soloed thus EVERYONE can do it and not just that "skilled few". I mean if that were the case ppl complained that you NEED a party in FFXI and cant party without one. So by that logic then I could argue you CAN solo to 75 on any job if you wanna go around killing easy prey stuff and leveling at a MUCH slower rate than those in parties./.. but its completely possible to get to 75 solo (in teh old days) if thats what you choose to do. So thus no one can say the game isnt soloable because I could then say "sure it is.. if youre ok with doing it at a snails pace"
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#56 Jun 24 2013 at 1:13 PM Rating: Default
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exactly so now if at least 50% of the story stuff is in a non soloable dungeon or takes place in a BCNM< which requires a party (i.e ifrit) then Ill be happy. I never said 100% of teh story stuff had to be party related.. heck there was soloable stuff in CoP if a remember correctly (though that was like 3 out of 100 lol)


Smiley: rolleyes Two posts ago you said "name one story based FIGHT in FFXI that could be soloed"... I named five from the first 4 ranks of Bastok alone,



yeah youre right but that sthe basic low level stuff. thats rank 4 out of 10 which means you havent even reached the halfway point by then yet. how much stuff from 5+ coudl be soloed?

I mean before you even said that we had already established that it made since that the basic/tutorial/starting stuff makes sense that its soloable. So then if we were to say that then everything up to level 25 in FFXIV might be/should be soloable but everything from 25-50 should be party based or at least soloable only if youre exceptionally skilled then right?
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#57 Jun 24 2013 at 1:13 PM Rating: Good
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I mean if that were the case ppl complained that you NEED a party in FFXI and cant party without one.

Smiley: confused You... do need a party to party... Smiley: confused

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So by that logic then I could argue you CAN solo to 75 on any job if you wanna go around killing easy prey stuff and leveling at a MUCH slower rate than those in parties./.. but its completely possible to get to 75 solo (in teh old days) if thats what you choose to do

It is completely correct to state that soloing to 75 was possible at that time. Possible doesn't mean it was the most efficient way, it means not impossible.

I did try to explain this before with the difference between solo content and soloable content. Solo content was designed to be completed alone. Soloable content means content that is possible to be completed alone (regardless of what it was designed for).

Edited, Jun 24th 2013 2:14pm by Callinon
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#58 Jun 24 2013 at 1:22 PM Rating: Good
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yeah youre right but that sthe basic low level stuff. thats rank 4 out of 10 which means you havent even reached the halfway point by then yet. how much stuff from 5+ coudl be soloed?

I mean before you even said that we had already established that it made since that the basic/tutorial/starting stuff makes sense that its soloable. So then if we were to say that then everything up to level 25 in FFXIV might be/should be soloable but everything from 25-50 should be party based or at least soloable only if youre exceptionally skilled then right?


There are others at higher levels that could be solo'd as well. Not as much obviously, because the higher you get the more difficult it gets... much like any decent game.

And seriously, how many times do I have to say this before it's understood? Party content in FFXIV starts at level 15, not 25. We still have no idea how much will be party-based or solo-based post-20 because it's not in the game yet. I feel like I'm being a broken record here. Just wait until they actually release it, and find out for yourself. Or go back to ffxi, as it's pretty clear you have a massive hard on for that game still... (and yes, there is an HD version... it's called messing with the settings on windower and oversampling the graphics).
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#59 Jun 24 2013 at 1:37 PM Rating: Excellent
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If you read Yoshi P's explanation, (and I'm paraphrasing,) he pretty much said that, yes, at lower levels you are going to solo, but as you get to higher levels, you'll be forced to group up, as he feels that that's where you get the true feeling and sense of unity from the game. You'll be meeting new people and building friendships. All this, while beating up huge mobs, and making things go boom!

I think if you relax and just enjoy the game, it'll offer everything you're looking for. :)

Edited, Jun 25th 2013 5:37am by Lorielll
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#60 Jun 24 2013 at 1:45 PM Rating: Good
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DuoMaxwellxx wrote:
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Ther wer eppl who could solo the bomb king/queen.. but that doesnt mean it was "soloable"


Uh.. that's exactly what "soloable" means.

It literally means, "able to be soloed." What it isn't is solo content. It's group content, that's soloable by some people.

If you'd like a different example of that, I believe there's a video floating around somewhere of someone soloing The Lich King in WoW. Doesn't mean The Lich King is solo content, but he IS soloable if you're that guy.



soloable to me means it was MADE to be soloed thus EVERYONE can do it and not just that "skilled few". I mean if that were the case ppl complained that you NEED a party in FFXI and cant party without one. So by that logic then I could argue you CAN solo to 75 on any job if you wanna go around killing easy prey stuff and leveling at a MUCH slower rate than those in parties./.. but its completely possible to get to 75 solo (in teh old days) if thats what you choose to do. So thus no one can say the game isnt soloable because I could then say "sure it is.. if youre ok with doing it at a snails pace"


FFXI was a different game. Stop comparing 14 to a game from 2002.

You don't ever hear anyone wish that the next Battlefield game was more like James Bond 007: Nightfire, or REALLY hope for the old mechanics of GTA: Vice City. Gee, maybe we can go back to the simplicity of Animal Crossing on Gamecube!

My point is, you're nostalgic and letting that kool-aid juice empower your opinions. Go back and play FFXI and refresh your memories. Remember to ignore all the great additions they made to modernize it, and lfg in the dunes.
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#61 Jun 24 2013 at 2:13 PM Rating: Decent
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Louiscool wrote:
DuoMaxwellxx wrote:
Archmage Callinon wrote:
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Ther wer eppl who could solo the bomb king/queen.. but that doesnt mean it was "soloable"


Uh.. that's exactly what "soloable" means.

It literally means, "able to be soloed." What it isn't is solo content. It's group content, that's soloable by some people.

If you'd like a different example of that, I believe there's a video floating around somewhere of someone soloing The Lich King in WoW. Doesn't mean The Lich King is solo content, but he IS soloable if you're that guy.



soloable to me means it was MADE to be soloed thus EVERYONE can do it and not just that "skilled few". I mean if that were the case ppl complained that you NEED a party in FFXI and cant party without one. So by that logic then I could argue you CAN solo to 75 on any job if you wanna go around killing easy prey stuff and leveling at a MUCH slower rate than those in parties./.. but its completely possible to get to 75 solo (in teh old days) if thats what you choose to do. So thus no one can say the game isnt soloable because I could then say "sure it is.. if youre ok with doing it at a snails pace"


FFXI was a different game. Stop comparing 14 to a game from 2002.

You don't ever hear anyone wish that the next Battlefield game was more like James Bond 007: Nightfire, or REALLY hope for the old mechanics of GTA: Vice City. Gee, maybe we can go back to the simplicity of Animal Crossing on Gamecube!

My point is, you're nostalgic and letting that kool-aid juice empower your opinions. Go back and play FFXI and refresh your memories. Remember to ignore all the great additions they made to modernize it, and lfg in the dunes.


I don't see why it shouldn't be compared to FFXI or any-other mmo for that matter
As far as ffxi goes, why not?
They are both MMO's
They are both in the final fantasy series.
They are both made by SE.
They have the same Mobs.
They have the same jobs.
They have the same races but renamed but look the same.
They have the same guilds
both have the same avatar.
They both have the same way to travel: chocobos and airship
and the list goes on.
FFXI set the bar high.
It is really hard not to compare.
I don't want another FFXI but ever where I look in the game i see FFXI. I do want a games that gives me as much enjoyment and as much fun as it was.






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#62 Jun 24 2013 at 2:32 PM Rating: Good
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DuoMaxwellxx wrote:
"but lots of the story quest force u to do solo. "

Umm you cant party/group up for the story quests? that sounds dumb sooo during boss battles we have to do em solo or play with npc party members? I think whoever said this is just dumb and i need confirmation


I'm an XI honk if there ever was one... But I can say while the quests are required to be done solo, much of the content requires you to be in a party. In fact I would say the fun portions require a party.

Try it out in open beta... I think you'll enjoy it.
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#63 Jun 24 2013 at 2:57 PM Rating: Excellent
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I don't see why it shouldn't be compared to FFXI or any-other mmo for that matter
As far as ffxi goes, why not?

Ok, I'll Play along. I don't see why the next installment of Grand Theft Auto V shouldn't be compared to the orignal GTA

They are both Open-World games
They are both in the same series.
They are both made by Rockstar.
They have the same guns.
They have the same cars.
They have the same silly d*ck jokes.
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They have the same guilds
both have the same avatar.
What?? I don't even know what this is..
They both have the same way to travel: Cars and Running
and the list goes on.
GTA set the bar high.

So from this, the next GTA should be a top down or isometric viewing angle, they should eliminate cutscenes, bring back only a handful of weapons, get rid of online play, and remove voice acting and licensed music.

Are you getting it? I'm kind of amazed that I have to elaborate this far. You want a new game to function like a game from 11 years ago. You don't like the global standard of MMO, and you are probably perfectly happy with every iteration of The Legend of Zelda, because that series has been iterating on the same, tired formula since it's inception. (and please, I'm not trying to turn this into a LOZ debate, we can just disagree that everything after Majora's Mask and Wind Waker is utter crap.)

You said there is nothing wrong with comparing it to OTHER mmos. Well, you don't need to, because they already did, which is how the global standard comes about. You can solo your entire way to cap in rift, swtor, DCU:O, WoW, LTORO, etc, etc, etc.

Hell, this is even a compromise! There is still forced party play! Yay for everyone, unless you are one of the many people who don't like being yelled at for not knowing your class perfectly at level 10.

I know many people who would love to try an mmo, but the barrier to entry is insurmountable. The ease of that entry barrier is a selling point. The same friends who quit FFXI after level 25 because they just couldn't commit 6 hours to a party just to get screamed at by a 14-year old for missing a cure are very interested in 14. (This is actually a very specific anecdote)

TL;DR: FFXI still exists and you can play it today!
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#64 Jun 24 2013 at 4:31 PM Rating: Good
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DuoMaxwellxx wrote:
"but lots of the story quest force u to do solo. "

Umm you cant party/group up for the story quests? that sounds dumb sooo during boss battles we have to do em solo or play with npc party members? I think whoever said this is just dumb and i need confirmation


Everything I did for main story was solo. It's kinda interesting however because the story battles serve as tutorials without you really knowing you're being taught. I played as a GLD and would tank while an NPC healer would heal me. It also taught me, after several failed attempts, to use different areas of the map to avoid getting destroyed. Guildhests on the other hand are all party based battles that teach group dynamics.
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#65 Jun 24 2013 at 11:46 PM Rating: Default
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yeah youre right but that sthe basic low level stuff. thats rank 4 out of 10 which means you havent even reached the halfway point by then yet. how much stuff from 5+ coudl be soloed?

I mean before you even said that we had already established that it made since that the basic/tutorial/starting stuff makes sense that its soloable. So then if we were to say that then everything up to level 25 in FFXIV might be/should be soloable but everything from 25-50 should be party based or at least soloable only if youre exceptionally skilled then right?


Or go back to ffxi, as it's pretty clear you have a massive hard on for that game still... (and yes, there is an HD version... it's called messing with the settings on windower and oversampling the graphics).


lol even if I wanted to go back to FFXI:

1) My ps2 is out of comission. My PS3 isnt backwards compatible and I refus eto game on PC

2) FFXI doesnt taske AMEX

3) I havent played since Halloween 2009 that means Id have 4 yeears of stuff too catch up on.. (like doing the last fight of moogle kupo detat which i never did... starting and finishing teh shanttoto dlc, finishing wotg (which ill admit I DO wanna see how that ends) plus teh new expansion... not to mention ganing 24 more levels on AL of my 30 level 75 jobs and RE pimping them out


in otherwords thats just too much "backlog" of work that I dont wanna bother trying to catch up on so FFXI isnt exactly a viable option for me. Also I like FXIV and never said it was utter garbage (but I do/did like FFXI more) unlike those who really DO have an FFXI hardon would "eww FFXIV sucks and is just a WoW clone for casuals with FF title on it" like the real FFXI "fanboys" would say. But yeah lets exaggerate shall we.. I name ONE aspect of FXIV I dont like and it makes me teh bad guy? Yup it seems one of us indeed DOES have a hardon for a game and from teh looks of it that person isnt me.
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#66 Jun 25 2013 at 12:18 AM Rating: Good
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Think of the main story quests as the Final Fantasy we all came to love from childhood until now. You don't need to wait on people to help you. You don't need to rely on people that won't show up. I don't know about you, but my friends are all nearing or above 30 now with careers, alcohol & drug addictions, or children. I don't have a group of people that I can count on to finish the story line, and that is something I'd really like to do.


Lets see. Im 30 work 40 hours a week and I definitely dont have the 8-12 hours a day everyday i literally used to spend on FFXI. But I can definitely spend that much time on the two days a week I do have off. After all I dont have a drug/alchol addiction or kids to worry about. So other than the time work takes up the rest of my day is COMPLETELY open.




Ok well, I work about 50 hours per week (So including my lunch break I'm at work an average of 10 hours per day), and my wife works around 60. Since my wife is not home much, I have to do everything around the house and take care of our dog (At least an hour of my day is spent walking him). There are also errands like paying bills and picking up things at stores (lots of them each week), groceries, helping out friends here and there, going out to dinner and a movie and other activities with a friend or my wife, etc. (A good 3-4 hours of my day).

10+1+4 = 15 hours. 24-15 = 9 hours free. Take 6-8 hours of sleep out of that and I have around 1-3 hours to play if I'm lucky. On the days I'm off I of course need to spend some more time out with my wife or a friend plus the usual bullsh*t, so I'll have around 5 hours to play. This ends up giving me around 15~25 hours per week to play. Fairly good amount of time, right? The only problem is that most of my time blocks are limited to short sittings because of my life interfering. Waiting for 1 group could take up the whole block of time I have to play for a day.

I consider myself to be less busy than most people because luckily I don't have any kids yet. Still, the time I have when I'm not at work is NOT COMPLETELY open, and I think the majority of us fall in to that category as well.

Just sayin'

*What bank gives you an AMEX debit card?

Edited, Jun 25th 2013 2:25am by Transmigration
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#67 Jun 25 2013 at 12:36 AM Rating: Decent
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Transmigration wrote:
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Think of the main story quests as the Final Fantasy we all came to love from childhood until now. You don't need to wait on people to help you. You don't need to rely on people that won't show up. I don't know about you, but my friends are all nearing or above 30 now with careers, alcohol & drug addictions, or children. I don't have a group of people that I can count on to finish the story line, and that is something I'd really like to do.


Lets see. Im 30 work 40 hours a week and I definitely dont have the 8-12 hours a day everyday i literally used to spend on FFXI. But I can definitely spend that much time on the two days a week I do have off. After all I dont have a drug/alchol addiction or kids to worry about. So other than the time work takes up the rest of my day is COMPLETELY open.




Ok well, I work about 50 hours per week (So including my lunch break I'm at work an average of 10 hours per day), and my wife works around 60. Since my wife is not home much, I have to do everything around the house and take care of our dog (At least an hour of my day is spent walking him). There are also errands like paying bills and picking up things at stores (lots of them each week), groceries, helping out friends here and there, going out to dinner and a movie and other activities with a friend or my wife, etc. (A good 3-4 hours of my day).

10+1+4 = 15 hours. 24-15 = 9 hours free. Take 6-8 hours of sleep out of that and I have around 1-3 hours to play if I'm lucky. On the days I'm off I of course need to spend some more time out with my wife or a friend plus the usual bullsh*t, so I'll have around 5 hours to play. This ends up giving me around 15~25 hours per week to play. Fairly good amount of time, right? The only problem is that most of my time blocks are limited to short sittings because of my life interfering. Waiting for 1 group could take up the whole block of time I have to play for a day.

I consider myself to be less busy than most people because luckily I don't have any kids yet. Still, the time I have when I'm not at work is NOT COMPLETELY open, and I think the majority of us fall in to that category as well.

Just sayin'

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Edited, Jun 25th 2013 2:25am by Transmigration



well theyre not really a "bank" but Walmart lol.. as for grocery shopping i only need to do that once a month and paying bills gets done online lol. As for cleaning well when you hardly do anything in your house that would make a mess.. cleaning is no more than a one hour chore lol. As fro wife, well although i dont have kids Im definitely not single, however Ive always been wise enough to date only t hose who are into some if not most of the things Im into as well.. thus 80% of our spending time together usually consts of us gaming together (did it for years with FFXI) while the other 20% might be dinner/movie, a concert (we seen both the more friends and dear friends concerts for final fantasy) or teh "special occasion" amusement park trip lol.
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#68 Jun 25 2013 at 12:41 AM Rating: Good
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I see. My wife used to play MMOs with me (she loves fantasy stuff!), but like I said with her not being around as much and progressing in her career, I'm a lot more busy. When we do have free time, neither of us feel like sitting around. We're both neat freaks too and especially with the dog I feel I have to vacuum and dust every day. I really do miss those days of work > drink > game > sleep > work > drink > game > sleep, but I wouldn't trade my little family for it.

Well... maybe for a month out of the year haha.

*I actually use half my vacation time to do something with her and the other half to sit at home alone for a week and play my *** off. Usually when a new game or expansion comes out. I prepare for it like an earthquake. Drinks, snacks, smokes, etc. It's fun and everyone thinks I'm a dork for it but I don't give a ****.

Edited, Jun 25th 2013 2:43am by Transmigration
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#69 Jun 25 2013 at 6:29 AM Rating: Excellent
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lol even if I wanted to go back to FFXI:

1) My ps2 is out of comission. My PS3 isnt backwards compatible and I refus eto game on PC


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2) FFXI doesnt taske AMEX

Time to get a bank account big boy!

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3) I havent played since Halloween 2009 that means Id have 4 yeears of stuff too catch up on.. (like doing the last fight of moogle kupo detat which i never did... starting and finishing teh shanttoto dlc, finishing wotg (which ill admit I DO wanna see how that ends) plus teh new expansion... not to mention ganing 24 more levels on AL of my 30 level 75 jobs and RE pimping them out


Backlog of Work. You just said it right there. You have WORK to do. Sounds like fun! Yay! A chore! In a game? F*ck it, let's do chores!

Regardless, you have a "backlog of work" to do in FFXIV as well. You might as well do it in the environment you find most fun.

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#70 Jun 25 2013 at 6:48 AM Rating: Good
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lol even if I wanted to go back to FFXI:

1) My ps2 is out of comission. My PS3 isnt backwards compatible and I refus eto game on PC

2) FFXI doesnt taske AMEX

3) I havent played since Halloween 2009 that means Id have 4 yeears of stuff too catch up on.. (like doing the last fight of moogle kupo detat which i never did... starting and finishing teh shanttoto dlc, finishing wotg (which ill admit I DO wanna see how that ends) plus teh new expansion... not to mention ganing 24 more levels on AL of my 30 level 75 jobs and RE pimping them out


I'm so baffled by this... you like ffxi more, you admit that there is a TON of stuff to do in the game, yet you don't go back? Your AMEX issue is ridiculous. Open a bank account, get a prepaid visa card, call up customer service and see what options you have. Refusing to game on a PC is just as ridiculous. The graphics are better, the gameplay is smoother, you can actually make the game look even BETTER with windower, and you can still use a controller. There is no downside.

And seriously, your third point isn't even a point. It's you somehow complaining that you have lots of content to do. Which is also pretty ridiculous.

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Also I like FXIV and never said it was utter garbage (but I do/did like FFXI more) unlike those who really DO have an FFXI hardon would "eww FFXIV sucks and is just a WoW clone for casuals with FF title on it" like the real FFXI "fanboys" would say. But yeah lets exaggerate shall we.. I name ONE aspect of FXIV I dont like and it makes me teh bad guy? Yup it seems one of us indeed DOES have a hardon for a game and from teh looks of it that person isnt me.


Oh please, 90% of your posts have some longing, wistful comparison to ffxi and you talking about how awesome it was and how much you miss it and wish FFXIV was FFXI-2. That's not an exaggeration, that's just how you post. Also, you named a part of FFXIV that you had no knowledge of, then ******* and moaned about something that you couldn't even comprehend... hence why I called you out on it. Personally, I do love FFXIV. I have some issues with it, like not being able to send or receive tells in duty, combat is still a bit sluggish (at low levels at least), I wish the controller UI could be changed to a hotbar instead of the crossbar, among other small gripes... but on the whole I think it's great. I also thought FFXI was great back when I played it. I also thought lotro was great when I played it. See what I'm getting at here?




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#71DuoMaxwellxx, Posted: Jun 25 2013 at 10:27 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I wouldnt take an xbox 360 (or an xbox one) if you GAVE it to me. As for backlog of "work" I wasnt being literal but lets say I was.. what would you call doing teh same raid a million times to get the uber gear or groping through what it takes to get relic in FFXIV will be? sounds like work/a chore to me. Unless youre saying youre gonna get all the gear you need/want on your first run lol... even with as casual as WoW is it take a tad bit more effort and repetition to get things than that.
#72 Jun 25 2013 at 10:39 AM Rating: Excellent
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As for "bank account" yeah because getting/managing a second debit card one of which Id only use for two things (ffxi and neon alley) makes loads of sense. you must be one of those ppl that have multiple bank account/credit cards.. so tell me.. how are your bills and debts doing?



I just dont understand.. Yes I have a debit card, amex and a few visas because they give me discounts at stores 10-30% off. but you no what.. zero balances everymonth and I dont carry cash on me and usally only use my debit card. I can keep track of what im spending and what we have for funds.. Assuming everyone with credit cards has debt is silly and a tad rude. good day Sir!


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#73 Jun 25 2013 at 10:49 AM Rating: Excellent
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This thread sucks guys. I'm going over to the beer thread over here, http://ffxiv.zam.com/forum.html?forum=152&mid=13719514456257585



Edited, Jun 25th 2013 1:00pm by reptiletim
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#74 Jun 25 2013 at 10:50 AM Rating: Good
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In Yoshi's latest statement, he said he wanted the early stuff to be soloable. And it appears that as the story develops you *need* to interact with people (as after you start the dungeons there is less solo more party play. I doubt it will ever go to 100% party only. But there is definitely more party play.

People need to wait until we see stuff past the start. The start should be something you can solo, and since we are really only seeing up to ~20, with the ability to level beyond that really throws off perception a bit.

Be patient, it is a slow process to move a mountain.
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#75 Jun 25 2013 at 11:06 AM Rating: Default
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lol even if I wanted to go back to FFXI:

1) My ps2 is out of comission. My PS3 isnt backwards compatible and I refus eto game on PC

2) FFXI doesnt taske AMEX

3) I havent played since Halloween 2009 that means Id have 4 yeears of stuff too catch up on.. (like doing the last fight of moogle kupo detat which i never did... starting and finishing teh shanttoto dlc, finishing wotg (which ill admit I DO wanna see how that ends) plus teh new expansion... not to mention ganing 24 more levels on AL of my 30 level 75 jobs and RE pimping them out


I'm so baffled by this... you like ffxi more, you admit that there is a TON of stuff to do in the game, yet you don't go back? Your AMEX issue is ridiculous. Open a bank account, get a prepaid visa card, call up customer service and see what options you have. Refusing to game on a PC is just as ridiculous. The graphics are better, the gameplay is smoother, you can actually make the game look even BETTER with windower, and you can still use a controller. There is no downside.

And seriously, your third point isn't even a point. It's you somehow complaining that you have lots of content to do. Which is also pretty ridiculous.

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Also I like FXIV and never said it was utter garbage (but I do/did like FFXI more) unlike those who really DO have an FFXI hardon would "eww FFXIV sucks and is just a WoW clone for casuals with FF title on it" like the real FFXI "fanboys" would say. But yeah lets exaggerate shall we.. I name ONE aspect of FXIV I dont like and it makes me teh bad guy? Yup it seems one of us indeed DOES have a hardon for a game and from teh looks of it that person isnt me.


Oh please, 90% of your posts have some longing, wistful comparison to ffxi and you talking about how awesome it was and how much you miss it and wish FFXIV was FFXI-2. That's not an exaggeration, that's just how you post. Also, you named a part of FFXIV that you had no knowledge of, then ******* and moaned about something that you couldn't even comprehend... hence why I called you out on it. Personally, I do love FFXIV. I have some issues with it, like not being able to send or receive tells in duty, combat is still a bit sluggish (at low levels at least), I wish the controller UI could be changed to a hotbar instead of the crossbar, among other small gripes... but on the whole I think it's great. I also thought FFXI was great back when I played it. I also thought lotro was great when I played it. See what I'm getting at here?




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yeah because graphics really matter.. if i cared about how much better something looked on pc I wouldnt be able to stomach playing 1980 and 1990 games.. and guess what game I just beat about a few weeks ago and which one Im currently playing now? final fantasy 1 and final fantasy 2.... those games look like utter barf compared to anything thats out on PS3, 2 or even 1 yet Im playing the,.. soo clearly how much "cuter" a game looks on PC is of mno concern too me.. Im not a graphics *****.. Otherwise FFXIV would be the best MMO known to man

Also heres a downside.. playing on a 17in monitor with built in speakers sound WAY better than playing on a 50+ inch tv with surround sound... yup... definitely..

As for your comment about lotro and ffxi.. well some of us dont stop liking a game we liked just because it got "old".. as Ive just proven with teh fact that Im playing FF1 and 2... heck I can still play and like metal gear solid 1 despite EVERY other game in teh series being better and more superior than it it every way shape AND form (except maybe story)

Lastly as for hos much there is to do in FFXI by my own admission. Well some of us like leading the pack not being teh one straggling behind.. hence me having CoP missions completed as they came out within 24 hours of their release. Id be WAY behind in FFXI.. and was it not you who made a comment regarding how hard it is in FFXI to get ppl to redo old content? though Im sure I could just hit 99 and solo most of it but if I were to do that. wouldnt this wholl discussion about soloing story stuff in FFXIV being "bad" make me look like a hypocrite if I were to go on FFXI and do the very thing I claim to not like/be against?

Though Ill admit all my irl friend who still play FFXI ask me daily when Im coming back.. but I say Im not and try to convert them to FFXIV instead but the dont wanna touch it because it "sucks" because when it first launched it bombed horribly and got horrid reviews so they assume its still like that/gonna be that way (even though it had gotten much better than that even before they shut teh servers down for ARR) when ARR comes out....

which just goes to show SE kinda ruined there rep since anyone who was turned off by FFXIV/didnt like it before isnt gonna like/be interested in it now despite what SE does to fix it even if its a completely different new game and a huge turn around from before everyone afraid to touch it because of teh stigmata it carried before. So really the only ppl SE are getting with ARR are those who played teh beta and liked it, those who never seen teh reviews/know of its old rep, or those who dont let reviews/judgement sway their opinion (and how many ppl this gen fall under that last category? not awhole lot) i know about 2000 people in real life who will call a game "sucky" or "crap" that they them,selves have never PLAYED just because they read a review that said it was.


a review is an opinion not a fact (good luck convincing anyone else of that) Ive read plenty fo bad reviews for game that I myself liked (tron evolution on ps3 and white knight chronicles 1 and 2 for example) but anyway point being because of that FFXIV and SE have already alienated 50% of the ppl that were interested in teh game back when it was very first announced in 2009.

So yeah while there re things i dont like about ARR its far from horrible.. and is definitely not the worst mmo ive played.. I can name games far worse (dc universe online, free realms and just about every one of those free to play korean mmos that have made it stateside) But just like FFXI before it FFXIV has one thing going for it... I dont game on PC and it doenst have a whole lotta competition in the console market so it wins by default.. i mean what other MMOs are on PS3? besides the two I just named, theres also dust (terrible) planetside 2 (terrible) and Defiance (ok but runs outta content FAST) and elder scrolls online hitting ps4 next year but that game LOOKS terrible (but i intend to play it and fid out whether or not it is terrible myself.. but until then FFXIV it is)

Same with FFXI and PS2... I could name games on PC back then that were probably just as good if not better (guild wars and everquest 1 and 2 for example) but i dont play on pc and PS2s only option were FFXI and everquest online adventures (which was terrible) plus FFXI had one thing many mmos dont have (and many STILL dont have) a storyline.. that is expansive enough that it feels like playing a single player RPG with co op play thrown in... if it werent for the storylines the FF MMOs have (unlike the crap teh small few other MMOs try to pass off as story) I wouldnt have touched either of them either.

But everytime I played an FF game I always thought "you know how cool it would be if the ppl in my party were actually controlled by other ppl or some of the random battles I got into were fights against other people" even in games in teh FF series that allowed it I set some party members to use with the other control so if friend were over they could play with me. Well FFXI made that dream come true.. whereas FFXIV (to me) is throwing most of that dream away by having most of its story content solo... and well... If I wanted to solo there are MUCH better SINGLE PLAYER games out there to choose from.
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#76 Jun 25 2013 at 11:08 AM Rating: Good
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I wouldnt take an xbox 360 (or an xbox one) if you GAVE it to me.



Why not? Fanboyism will kill us all.

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As for backlog of "work" I wasnt being literal but lets say I was.. what would you call doing teh same raid a million times to get the uber gear or groping through what it takes to get relic in FFXIV will be? sounds like work/a chore to me. Unless youre saying youre gonna get all the gear you need/want on your first run lol... even with as casual as WoW is it take a tad bit more effort and repetition to get things than that.


Sounds like you don't want an MMO. Seriously, and without insult, you don't want an MMO, and are complaining because this MMO is an MMO.

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As for "bank account" yeah because getting/managing a second debit card one of which Id only use for two things (ffxi and neon alley) makes loads of sense. you must be one of those ppl that have multiple bank account/credit cards.. so tell me.. how are your bills and debts doing?


Nice dig at me I guess, but I'm not the kind of person who, for some ungodly reason, has an American Express Debit Card. What kind of bank doesn't use Visa? but my bills and debts are great buddy. Here's a tip if you need help managing them; you can usually call your card company and have them switch your due date to ANY day of the month you like. I use the 15th for all of my bills so it's easy to remember. Feel free to use whichever date is easiest for you.

If this is all to much responsibility for you (intentional insult) you can always buy a prepaid Visa card and add time with that. It's so easy my little sister can do it.

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As for a backlog of work in FFXIV umm how do you have a "backlog" in a game that will be "just" coming out and thus everyone will be starting from scratch (on a non legacy server).. I mean according to the story the "old" world got destroyed and youre starting over a new in the future.. so even if you start at level 50 a lot of the things that existed in the past wont be there in the future. I mean in order to have a backlog of work that would mean the old story from teh first incarnation would still be there and playable so id have to do ALL that in August.. plus the new one and heck if theyre still treating this as a 3 year old game instead of a NEW game thats been rebuilt/redone then we're long overdue for an expansion pack (how often did FFXI get them?) so we should be seeing one in a few month PLUS that means the game will launch with 3 years of content already available on day one (meaning before I even get CLOSE to doing everything available and getting bored they should have released a LOT more content to keep me busy and from reaching that point). I seriously doubt thats the case, soo no no backlog of work on FFXIV as far as im concerned.


Semantics. Poor, poor semantics. It's a backlog. You are at the beginning of a timeline of work, regardless of what game you play. Again, you don't want an MMO, and of the mmos you don't want, you prefer FFXI. Why is this still a discussion?

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oh and another thing.. even though i have a $1200 laptop that Im sure can run FFXI and XIV easily (at that price it better be able too) Im not gonna use it for that purpose but its good to know i at least have the option to if i ever DID want/have too

I don't even know what to say.. you got a gaming laptop but refuse to game on it. You're a special kinda stubborn, ain't you?

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Also heres a downside.. playing on a 17in monitor with built in speakers sound WAY better than playing on a 50+ inch tv with surround sound... yup... definitely..


and this is why your computer has an HDMI port. I too get to play on the couch with my flat screen, but with PC graphics.

Edited, Jun 25th 2013 1:11pm by Louiscool
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