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The point is, if players who are in the game for an in depth battle system are put off by the simplicity of the battle system in the beginning of the game, they'll never make it to the latter portions to experience the "in-depth" battle system that supposedly await us. I did prefix my statement by saying "new gamer."

(p.s. what's with the bad attitude, did I insult you in some way?)

Edited, Jul 3rd 2013 2:00pm by ClydesShadow

I agree, I think the battle system offers a nice mixture of depth and ease of use... while also keeping the players on their toes by requiring dodging of mobs attacks.

I was only commenting in regards to individuals in this particular thread who are slightly put off by the system, they might leave the game before getting to experience some of the better content... I do believe that the first few levels are rather simple and only involve smashing 1,2,1,2... This is probably to be expected though, it is after all the first few levels

Wouldn't it just mean that the enemy's elemental resistance (for all spells) is set at one value, and Foe Requiem would drop that value by 10%?

I never played FFXIV 1.0 but I have been a FF fanboy since the very first game for NES. When FFIV came out for SNES as FF2 I was in heaven, reading Nintendo Power for weeks before the game was finally released and I still play it, even recently. I haven't captured that kind of FF nostalgia again since. VII came close, and XIV is the only other game coming close again.

I did not play XI because it abandoned everything I loved about the series; that "good book" storyline, strong character development and feeling attached to them (Aeris takes the cake). I'm not interested in wandering around aimlessly with little reason to care, or any way to beat the game. A pointless waste of time I thought of all MMOs really.

Fast forward to ARR and they absolutely nailed it for me. The game plays fun as a 1 player, but you get the MMO aspect seamlessly integrated. Granted the character development isn't anything to rave about, but the battle system is. I loathed the battle system in XII. Turn based isn't bad but I really like how they've made it possible to stack different types of skills. The jobs available are perfect. Paladin and Dragoon? Hello Cecil and Kain!

This game is a total blast and I'm hooked, counting down the hours until the next beta session. I've already pre-ordered and I will give this one reason why this game is going to be successful. Square-Enix has done what true fans have been asking for. XIII was an exercise in frustration and this game is a breath of fresh air, and this game has provided everything I felt was missing. I love the FATE system, and the other MMO aspects are the icing on the cake.

Edited, Jul 3rd 2013 2:44pm by ErikHighwind

I could be the problem then. Maybe it's my experience with EQ and WoW. The first few levels kinda bore me to death. I need to stop alt swapping and stick with a class and level it up.

Although y'all's discussion of BRD song mechanics are kinda pushing me (citing EQ1 Bard nostalgia) towards the one class I have yet to touch. Any similarities between bard songs in EQ1 and the songs in FF XIV? (I.e., is there twisting?)

Just because the point I made didn't stick exactly to the narrative you were speaking about doesn't make it irrelevant, I'm sorry if you don't understand the concept of an adjunct point.

Your point had nothing to do with the topic. It was a discussion of combat at endgame from someone who had already clearly stated they wanted to try it out at endgame, meaning not a new gamer. That has nothing to do with new gamers, hence making your point irrelevant. Had you made it a separate argument, stating simply that new gamers would have a different approach to the combat engine than those at endgame, I would have agreed with you. Instead, you called my point moot by using something completely unrelated. It wasn't supplementary, it was unrelated in the context of the argument. That's not an adjunct point.



Ah true, forgot about GW2... even so you'd have at most 5 skills. And yeah, I agree... that's what I found boring about it. Same 5 skills for most of the game.

Edited, Jul 3rd 2013 4:21pm by BartelX

It's kinda like dating (although I haven't dated in 10 years, since I met my wife).

You need an initial attraction; but you know that there's something about her, or him, after the first few dates that suggests you'll be together for a while.

I've dated women who were a bit more flashy, wore a bit more make-up and were in some cases prettier, but I didn't feel that connection, or substance behind that connection, like I do with my wife...

Yes, my wife is ARR.



Seriously though, I think ARR will be initially widely successful but like most MMOs people will get bored, or not appreciate the atmosphere in ARR the way fans might.

If updates, patches and content is added at a good pace, if Yoshi can keep up his level of enthusiasm for a few more years (I don't see how this is possible and actually see him resigning within a year or two because of stress) then ARR will have a pretty large sub base (not record breaking) for a while.

Yeah, Yoshi-P looks like he's about to die. I'm sure it's especially stressful that the game is coming out in August. Something tells me he didn't come up with that release date himself.

The previous individual in the thread said that he was dismayed by the lack of depth of the battle system... I did not call your point moot, in fact I agree with the statement you made, I said the point is moot to a new gamer who doesn't give the game a proper chance because the he dislikes the battle system (as it related to the individual the discussion was being had with.)

One of us in this thread was recently and very publicly on the edge of not being allowed to post here ever again. Something about the way he mercilessly attacks mild-mannered posters and then makes wild accusations against the admins who try to reign him in. You may have heard of him.



Offering a reasoned criticism of the game is exactly what this forum is for. Calling everyone who doesn't agree with you "wrong about the game 100% of the time" is trolling. It's all in the delivery, really. Making it about the game and not about the people is a good place to start.