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Why are you making comparisons to things that are paired together?

Why is Jump Better than Blood for Blood? You have both as a Dragoon. There's no competition. The 5 extra abilities you gain by level 50 from your job are additive onto your class.

So instead of comparing Blood for Blood to Jumps, you realize that not only can you use Jumps DURING Blood for blood, each on their own individual cooldown (Free of GDC) But it also pairs with another Dragoon-specifi Skill. Power Surge, which adds another 50% bonus damage, which stacks on other bonus damage. (30% Blood Surge + 20% Raging Strikes + 50% Power Surge.)

Because of this, you've increased your spike damage in away not available by any other class combinations, period. Thus, Dragoon is a superior damage Spec to Lancer.

Second Example:

Marauder to Warrior and Gladiator to Paladin.
Defiance and Shield Oath respectively are vastly superior hate tools which push both classes into more potent tanking roles.

These abilities compound upon, not replace, the abilities native to the class of origin. They accentuate the class in a matter the hones their role into a party to a fine point, and makes them superior than their class counterpart at doing so.

It's not that you can't deal decent damage as a Lancer. It's that you'll be dealing superior damage as a Dragoon, based off of both additional abilities and altered stats.

My bad lol, this whole time i thought you forfited those other abilities for the five job abilities i didn know they are just added to the class, it all makes sense now, thanks,

Yea this. Jobs just add a layer of abilities on top of a class.

I agree with IMFW with leveling as a set "Job" is good as it lets you learn the best times and how to use those Job specific abilities, and leveling with it you get quite proficient at it. Much moreso imo than you would being tossed into an end game situation with these new JA's.

On the topic of Jobs being a skill tree spin off, "fine tuning" a class...

Who the @#%^ made Bard a spin-off of Archer. That is a giant cluster@#%^ if I've ever seen one. I want to be a Ranger dammit. I don't sing.

But every group that has an ARC will expect them to be a BRD for the delicious songs.

Edited, Jul 10th 2013 10:05am by FlixEffect

Here, check out this site.

http://xivdb.com/

Until our database is up to date here at Zam, this site is a really good refrence for what abilities you'll be able to use. You'll note that the cross skills are not put under the job listing, so you'll have to piecemeal those together yourself. But this will give you a better idea what the native skillset for each Job and Class is, and what it can do.

Yeah thats a great website have it already booked marked,

I agree, but for different reasons.

But yeah, it's completely ridiculous that they start players off being a ranged DPS character and then at 30 have them give up their role as DPS, become a support character, they even have the healer Limit Break.

Ranged DPS is such a popular class that I'm surprised a Hunter/Ranger hasn't been announced. It's a shame because Archer is fun to play but you know you're going to end up turning into a class you don't like at 30+.

Keep in mind the Bard enthusiasts are also annoyed, who want to be a musical/instrument class, not an Archer with a few lame AoE spells.

You got rated down multiple times as will I, but don't worry - most of the playerbase if they were being honest does not like the implementation of Bard.

Edited, Jul 10th 2013 5:11pm by Killua125

Alot of jobs are popular or wanted. The game needed a support job more than a DPS. Could they or should they have made a music based class for bard to branch off of? Sure, but it is what is.

I can assure you if the playerbase got what jobs they want implemented. Thief, Dark Knight, Ninja, Samurai, or Red Mage is wanted more than Ranger. Unless the game dies quickly, a ton of more jobs and classes will come eventually and I'm sure Ranger will be in at some point.

I want an elemental/magic based great sword wielder based around the sword knights from FFT. Preferably a job but I'd settle for a class....

So wait until the Ranger job is added to the game? We already know two jobs can spin from one class so it wouldn't be unheard of for RNG to be another job that comes from ARC down the road.

My prediction: Archers will complain that they're never allowed to come to end game events as Ranger because their shell makes them always come as Bard.

Same problem existed in XI if you had both ranger and bard leveled. And I'll tell the that guild the same thing I told them in XI.

"I was straightforward when joining that my main was Ranger and I did not want to do Bard in endgame events, you agreed. I understand you are short on Bard this evening. However, I will not play Bard as I told you before."

Any respectable good guild will have enough flexible members. Any respectable guild will not go back on their word or punish you for being upfront and sticking to your stance. And if they do maybe it's time to find a better guild.

You can always reinforce your stance by not unlocking bard gear or skills.

As long as that flexible member is not you?

It's kind of silly to blame the players for a horrible game system. The job/class system is frankly not good at all.

It's natural in MMORPGs for a party to want to maximize efficiency. Why are you leveling up, acquiring gear? To maximize efficiency. It's silly when that's the whole goal of the game, to downgrade yourself to the Archer class for party play. It's also very selfish.

That said you are right about Arcanist which will likely be asked to play Scholar 99.9% of the time. Square Enix needs to abolish the job soul stone system asap and come up with something better.

and if a Ranger branch is added, you will also be seen as selfish if you play it instead of Bard at times, most likely. The whole thing just all around sucks.

Edited, Jul 11th 2013 2:26am by Killua125