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#77 Aug 21 2013 at 5:23 PM Rating: Decent
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Dang it, I should give 2K this thread so they know they can't release The Bureau in the US a whole 2-3 days earlier than the rest of the world because customers would be out with pitchfork and torch to get them... not.

Seriously, that game is sitting on my Steam Account as preload since yesterday and the US have been playing since. There actually has been complaint threads on Steam discussion about this. I don't care if the game has lukewarm reviews, I pre-ordered the game, why do I have to wait longer than US peeps? Wah wah wah blah blah blah.
#78 Aug 21 2013 at 5:27 PM Rating: Decent
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HallieXIV wrote:
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A 3 day advantage might not seem like much, but it's an advantage. I do feel that if SE was going to have pay-to-win access, they should have given it to the 1.0 CE owners. The 1.0 CE was pretty meh compared to the ARR CE and 1.0 CE owners only get the 14 day trial period. Show some love SE.

It's my honest opinion that it would just be the right thing to do. It doesn't make any sense to me that you would exclude anyone the opportunity to play with friends without having to pay for it... twice.



An advantage with what? I assume you are talking about PvP because otherwise what possible disadvantage do you have from not being in early access?


The advantage you get for leveling for 3 straight days? What PvP? All I see is a THM meleeing the crap out of a CNJ while everyone else is just standing there like they're... wait, they're all asleep? Smiley: sly
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#79 Aug 21 2013 at 5:40 PM Rating: Good
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FilthMcNasty wrote:
HallieXIV wrote:
FilthMcNasty wrote:
A 3 day advantage might not seem like much, but it's an advantage. I do feel that if SE was going to have pay-to-win access, they should have given it to the 1.0 CE owners. The 1.0 CE was pretty meh compared to the ARR CE and 1.0 CE owners only get the 14 day trial period. Show some love SE.

It's my honest opinion that it would just be the right thing to do. It doesn't make any sense to me that you would exclude anyone the opportunity to play with friends without having to pay for it... twice.



An advantage with what? I assume you are talking about PvP because otherwise what possible disadvantage do you have from not being in early access?


The advantage you get for leveling for 3 straight days? What PvP? All I see is a THM meleeing the crap out of a CNJ while everyone else is just standing there like they're... wait, they're all asleep? Smiley: sly


poison pots FTW! Whoops, wrong game.
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#80 Aug 21 2013 at 7:10 PM Rating: Decent
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Darkfae77 wrote:
pretty sure anyone who bouagt 1.0 gets ffxiv Arr free if on pc.


i usually lurk around reading stuff but is there any truth to this statement?

i bought 1.0 at launch, played it and was paying for service when people were leaving.

also can someone point me to where i can get an access code. i really dont want to sift and read countless threads.

thanks in advance Smiley: wink
#81 Aug 21 2013 at 7:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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furiosmonk wrote:
Darkfae77 wrote:
pretty sure anyone who bouagt 1.0 gets ffxiv Arr free if on pc.


i usually lurk around reading stuff but is there any truth to this statement?

i bought 1.0 at launch, played it and was paying for service when people were leaving.

also can someone point me to where i can get an access code. i really dont want to sift and read countless threads.

thanks in advance Smiley: wink


Check out Filth's stickied post at the top of the forum. You probably don't even need a code.
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#82 Aug 21 2013 at 7:32 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm still waiting for reactions from people who purchased Dead Space 3 at launch because right now it cost $1 to get that and a bunch of others... EA, why do you punish people buying the game (from only) 6 months ago? I don't care if you pretend to donate the money through the most popular supposedly Indie Bundle.

Sometimes the SE "fan base" amazes me...
#83 Aug 21 2013 at 9:46 PM Rating: Good
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Khornette wrote:
I'm still waiting for reactions from people who purchased Dead Space 3 at launch because right now it cost $1 to get that and a bunch of others... EA, why do you punish people buying the game (from only) 6 months ago? I don't care if you pretend to donate the money through the most popular supposedly Indie Bundle.

Sometimes the SE "fan base" amazes me...


I get mad at Steam for doing that sometimes.

Somehow it never helps.
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#84 Aug 22 2013 at 7:31 AM Rating: Excellent
abesut wrote:
You didn't support the game after release therefor you won't get EA :P seems pretty simple to me :P
And the game for free >_> + a trial period

Edited, Aug 21st 2013 4:55am by abesut


I'm pretty tired of reading this in regards to that particular argument. The majority of Legacy players didn't "support SE". They got an e-mail in regards to the campaign and wanted to get the Legacy benefits. All they supported was the benefit to get the extras for themselves.

I'm the same as an above poster. I would have done the Legacy campaign for the benefits (not because I wanted to "support SE" for the debacle 1.0 was) but had real life to contend with. No one in their right mind would have paid a subscription for 1.0, which is why SE made it F2P for a year, thus, why the majority of legacy were in it just for the perks.
#85 Aug 22 2013 at 8:00 AM Rating: Decent
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warlorddis wrote:
The game was free? I have the original CE so is my $80 (from 3 years ago) being returned to me? Giving them the $80 is somehow NOT supporting them? WOW! news to me. Pretty sure none of that makes any sense. I'm not trying to be hostile here but I can't fathom how you figured that logic. And how exactly is it that people who preorder it tonight supported the game originally?



thats not supporting them, thats paying for something you want! supproting them would be continue paying and playing even though you know its not quite what you where expecting.
in conclusion SE has thanked Legacy players with a couple of mod cons in game for their support. other players who bailed get the game still, just without the ingame items and couple of days early access.
the new players who have gone and bought the game again now like what they see and obviously want to get early access too it. they're not whining about how SE has shafted them, i mean you still have access to the game and are getting 30 days free aint ya? be happy and enjoy what they have gave to you.
#86 Aug 22 2013 at 9:16 AM Rating: Good
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Magilicotti wrote:
abesut wrote:
You didn't support the game after release therefor you won't get EA :P seems pretty simple to me :P
And the game for free >_> + a trial period

Edited, Aug 21st 2013 4:55am by abesut


I'm pretty tired of reading this in regards to that particular argument. The majority of Legacy players didn't "support SE". They got an e-mail in regards to the campaign and wanted to get the Legacy benefits. All they supported was the benefit to get the extras for themselves.

I'm the same as an above poster. I would have done the Legacy campaign for the benefits (not because I wanted to "support SE" for the debacle 1.0 was) but had real life to contend with. No one in their right mind would have paid a subscription for 1.0, which is why SE made it F2P for a year, thus, why the majority of legacy were in it just for the perks.


Well put. Even the people who aren't legacy who can afford to throw more money at SE just to get early access kinda fit here. They're paying for a perk. Something they would probably fight tooth and nail against should SE ever decide to move to a F2P model.

On a side note: It would be really interesting if we could somehow see how many legacy members 'supported' SE for the entire subscription period and how many ducked out after the required 90 days... Smiley: cool

Edited, Aug 22nd 2013 11:18am by FilthMcNasty
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#87 Aug 22 2013 at 9:30 AM Rating: Good
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If you consider what SE is actually doing with B4, Early Access, and the Full Release, they are not actually perks, but rather buffers. I actually respect the decision.

I would like to see everyone who had 1.0 get into the early access if it was actually a perk, but it's not. Don't let the 3 extra days fool you. Some people may use it as a perk, but what it really is, is that SE has made 1-20 easy to get through, and you have to pretty much go everywhere in the world (starting around 15). They are actually doing this to spread people out over the world as fast as possible.

I know that (other than the fact that I haven't completed the main story quests) I will not be spending any time in the main cities during the EA or the first week of the release. And as new people come in from each phase, there will be some congestion, but they did successfully split it up, and have the over-achievers already done and locked at 20. On Saturday, they will plow through the level 50 quests, while the new people are just getting up and going with 1-20.

By the release, nearly 1/2 the population should be out of the starting area, and within the first month, people will be settling in.

That is, if it works:).
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#88 Aug 22 2013 at 5:40 PM Rating: Decent
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FilthMcNasty wrote:
Magilicotti wrote:
abesut wrote:
You didn't support the game after release therefor you won't get EA :P seems pretty simple to me :P
And the game for free >_> + a trial period

Edited, Aug 21st 2013 4:55am by abesut


I'm pretty tired of reading this in regards to that particular argument. The majority of Legacy players didn't "support SE". They got an e-mail in regards to the campaign and wanted to get the Legacy benefits. All they supported was the benefit to get the extras for themselves.

I'm the same as an above poster. I would have done the Legacy campaign for the benefits (not because I wanted to "support SE" for the debacle 1.0 was) but had real life to contend with. No one in their right mind would have paid a subscription for 1.0, which is why SE made it F2P for a year, thus, why the majority of legacy were in it just for the perks.


Well put. Even the people who aren't legacy who can afford to throw more money at SE just to get early access kinda fit here. They're paying for a perk. Something they would probably fight tooth and nail against should SE ever decide to move to a F2P model.

On a side note: It would be really interesting if we could somehow see how many legacy members 'supported' SE for the entire subscription period and how many ducked out after the required 90 days... Smiley: cool


Then deal with it, I have never stopped subscription for v1.0 and Masamune was packed with people all the time. Granted majority are Japanese, let's antagonising Japanese more.

I never said anything about Legacy loyalty supporting dramallama. Somehow most people have bone to pick with Legacy keep evading the main point of Legacy perk: Limited Time offer. Somehow most people who complain turns a blind eye on the hottest bundle right now: EA bundle, where you can pick up a whole lot of AAA titles (one is even not that old, barely 6 months released prior) that would have cost $300 or more for less than $5. Somehow most people complain about Early Access advantage turning a blind eye on the example of The Bureau: XCOM Declassified being released 3 days earlier than the US, even if people preordered all the same and paid the same (if not even more for Europe/Australia) money. Oh let's make SE to be the ultimate evil while praising the others for doing exactly the same thing.

P.S: No one in their right mind would have paid a subscription for 1.0 sounds like calling 1.0 people who subbed more than 90 days idiots, yes? Irony isn't it, since you said you was never meant to call names...
#89 Aug 23 2013 at 12:31 AM Rating: Good
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Khornette wrote:


P.S: No one in their right mind would have paid a subscription for 1.0 sounds like calling 1.0 people who subbed more than 90 days idiots, yes? Irony isn't it, since you said you was never meant to call names...


Whilst I agree you may have had a point if you only played at launch, by 1.23 it was actually a good game. To be honest, whilst I prefer ARR overall, there were elements of 1.23 onwards that were superior to ARR (combat for example). If you didnt play 1.23, you cant really comment on us being idiots. If you did play 1.23, well then that makes you as much of an idiot as we are :-)
#90 Aug 23 2013 at 1:00 AM Rating: Excellent
If I wanted to call you an idiot, I would do just that.

My intent with my above statement isn't directed to insult any one person, but to help illustrate the fact 1.0 was nothing more than sheer crap. This isn't opinion. This is fact. We know this because SE removed the game from existence. When I stated no one in their right mind would pay a subscription for 1.0, is based on the fact because SE made their game free to play for over a year.

I'll add that 1.23 wasn't as bad as 1.0. I could have seen myself paying for a subscription for 1.23. Most likely not for any length of time however. When the decision was made to pull the plug on the game, the legacy campaign was introduced. I highly doubt one could reasonably refute that the majority of subscriptions at this time was due in part to the legacy campaign.

I apologize if you thought I was attempting to insult you for subscribing to FFXIV 1.0 - 1.23. That wasn't my intent.

Edited, Aug 23rd 2013 3:03am by Magilicotti
#91 Aug 23 2013 at 7:52 AM Rating: Excellent
By 1.23 the game play was actually enjoyable, but the engine was still awful and there were mechanical issues until the bitter end. (Half the players were kicked off 2 hours before the final battle on shutdown night and couldn't get back in.)

Yoshi P took a **** and turned it into fertilizer - useful, but still smelly (1.23). ARR is the lovely garden he's grown with it.
#92 Aug 23 2013 at 8:08 AM Rating: Decent
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So it is my understanding that people who played in 1.0, but didn't pay for 3+ months, don't get early access. Not sure why people who pre-ordered it 20 minutes ago get the prize but the rest of us can't. As far as I'm concerned I preordered it too... 3 years ago... slightly earlier than those who just kinda got into it recently.... for half the price....

$80 3 years ago? t(''t)
$30 20 minutes ago "enjoy bro! welcome aboard! =D"

edit: Thanks for the replies. I'm not saying that I deserve -more- than anyone. I just want to play the game, when it "launches" early when all my friends are playing it. I already bought the game, (years ago,) I'll be subscribing for at least 3+ months overall. Just saying that I don't like how I have to spend extra money to play with my pals when I've already spent more than what they've spent on everything so far. To me it just says "enjoy watching these new guys play for 3 days unless you gives me more $$$$" And...let's not forget those of us who spent $1000 on a new machine to even play this game... =/

Edited, Aug 21st 2013 5:45am by warlorddis



I would like to start by saying that I detest paying for the game as well as paying a monthly subscription, the software should be included with your monthly subs. I myself am not a legacy player but did play 1.0.

I would like to share with you my tactic for levelling the playing field.

Step 1) Got to www.amazon.co.uk . www.amazon.com, www.amazon.de or whichever version of amazon your SE Servie account relates to
Step 2) Preorder FFXIV;ARR
Step 3) Wait for the Amazon pre-order code to come through to your email address
Step 4) input your pre-order code into this site - http://preorder.NA.finalfantasyxiv.com/ or http://preorder.EU.finalfantasyxiv.com/
Step 5) boot up your beta 4 client
Step 6) follow the link in the software to the SE Account management screen and input your early access code.
Step 7) Update the client software
Step 8) Log back into amazon
Step 9) Cancel your pre-order and get a full refund

I hope this helps with your dilemma :D

I am a firm believer that you dont try and beat the system you just play it at its own game.

Regards

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#93 Aug 23 2013 at 8:33 AM Rating: Excellent
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I can understand some of the resentment. 2.0 exists because they conned the crap out of the 1.0 people. The game that we bought 3 years ago wasn't released until now. Those of us with the 1.0 CE got early access to what was practically the paid BETA of 2.0 (i.e. 1.0)

I don't care a whole hell of a lot one way or the other about 3 days but SE will always be tarnished in my view because of the 1.0 cluster mishap. That was so grimy that I don't even think EA would pull it.

I did really seem to be enjoying 2.0 (at least the last round of the BETA) so I don't want to sound like I am poo-pooing all over it. It is so much more along the lines of what an FF game should be but that does make the 1.0 stuff that much more insulting.
#94 Aug 23 2013 at 8:46 AM Rating: Decent
I agree, in my humble opinion, the game is awesome its just some of the marketing stunts pulled are a bit of a con.

I genuinely recommend anyone who is thinking they might give it a try but are not sure just take the plunge and give it a try.

Sven
#95 Aug 23 2013 at 9:02 AM Rating: Decent
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Who here got the EA code and then cancelled the preorder? Do you not think there is another code in the physical box to prevent this kind of exploitation? Maybe you just can't get your 30 days free sub or something idk. If not then wow SE you are dumb. I'd like to be sure about this cause I could save myself some money if they did make this mistake.
#96 Aug 23 2013 at 10:46 AM Rating: Decent
KettShee wrote:
Who here got the EA code and then cancelled the preorder? Do you not think there is another code in the physical box to prevent this kind of exploitation? Maybe you just can't get your 30 days free sub or something idk. If not then wow SE you are dumb. I'd like to be sure about this cause I could save myself some money if they did make this mistake.


Yes there is another code in the box, this is called a retail code. This retail code can be input anytime up to the 30th August 2013. However since we are v1.0 players SE will send us the retail code from our original purchase of V1.0 to input ready for the 27th...

This will only work for people who played 1.0 who didn't get legacy who want early access.

Regards

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#97 Aug 23 2013 at 11:06 AM Rating: Good
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I think the funniest and most interesting part about this (and B4 for that matter), while it seems like these are offerings to the customers, they are not. The benefit of getting 3-6 days of extra play is not what everyone things. 6 days doesn't matter in an MMO, there is no advantage to this in anything past maybe the first 8 hours.

SE is offering the B4 3day (capped at 20), and the EA 3 day as a way of defusing server load. Nothing more, nothing less. And yes, that means setting some hard limits. It allows some people to get past the first 20 levels, then with another selective group, get them through the first 20 and defuse into other areas.

Then open the flood-gates, and let as many in as want/servers can handle.

It does come off as a benefit (and will be treated as a benefit) to those who want it. But it's like getting pudding for getting your tonsils removed. The pudding is actually to help soothe, but to a kid is seems like a nice reward (unless of course you don't like pudding... then you might get ice cream... If you don't like ice cream, well then, suffer...)

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#98 Aug 23 2013 at 11:22 AM Rating: Good
Why do some of us get punished for buying this game three years ago?

I have to walk around with a legacy tramp stamp now..

I dont know how many people would be willing to admit it but I prepaid a year of that crysta ******** so I put it on auto refresh every month and forgot about it. Three years later I'm part of the chosen :P Later versions of the game were more then playable, really even fun sometimes.
#99 Aug 23 2013 at 11:49 AM Rating: Decent
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SIGH back and forth between non legacy and legacy and 1.0 people who played who weren't legacy cause they didn't play long enough. I'm a new player frankly I DONT GIVE A **** just play the game, and enjoy it. I woulda played 1.0 back when it came out but frankly I was between wow and lineage 2 and AION. I never heard about FF14 until it was already dead. I guess they didn't have a very good marketing campaign or something so I never played it woulda coulda shoulda but I didn't plain and simply because I didn't know it existed.

But ya know what I damn sure signed up for beta for 2.0 as soon as I found out and have been waiting impatiently alongside the other who knows how many people. I got into beta I was able to play some beta phases but I've got a ****** retail job and sometimes i'd miss the beta weekends well actually most of them.

As of right now the EA launches in 15 hours and some change if you didn't get ea 3 days doesn't mean jack I mean for all you know we could just be exploring those days not knowing wtf is going on, or chopping trees for 3 hours straight then spending another 2 making them into boards or fishing or trying out every class to 15 or so to figure out which we want to be 50 first.

New players will be the lifeblood of this game, Old players please BECOME the backbone. Show us the ropes tips and tricks you learned the hard way, make us a better player, help us with our stupid newb questions (notice i said newb not noob N00bs are a hopeless cause), give us advice for builds, gathering spots boss strats etc. Lets make this a game to knock the other mmo's out of the water.

See yall at launch, if not see yall tuesday.
#100 Aug 23 2013 at 1:46 PM Rating: Decent
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FilthMcNasty wrote:
Magilicotti wrote:
[quote=abesut]You didn't support the game after release therefor you won't get EA :P seems pretty simple to me :P
And the game for free >_> + a trial period

Edited, Aug 21st 2013 4:55am by abesut


On a side note: It would be really interesting if we could somehow see how many legacy members 'supported' SE for the entire subscription period and how many ducked out after the required 90 days...

Edited, Aug 22nd 2013 11:18am by FilthMcNasty


I did for the whole time. /shrug
#101 Aug 23 2013 at 2:24 PM Rating: Decent
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derp

Edited, Aug 23rd 2013 4:26pm by FilthMcNasty
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HaibaneRenmei wrote:
30 bucks is almost free

cocodojo wrote:
Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
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