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#27 Aug 25 2013 at 9:44 AM Rating: Decent
Sandinmygum the Stupendous wrote:
I only read the OP.

Both for me.

Version 1 turned me away from XIV. And not just me but many who were fans of XI and who tried XIV, were turned away and had little hope for it.

Move up 3 years and many many many changes, and some of the people above tried out the game and were floored at how much better it was. Basically I was told this is the game it should have been from the start.

I've not even played it yet, and already pre-ordered. I have EA code in my email... I might pre-DL tonight or Monday. I'm hoping I can find game cards at the Wal-Mart in the town I work for on Tuesday (My vacation starts at noon that day :D).

Basically all the positive feed back in my thread on page 2/3 got me excited, as well as reading the positive stuff in other threads. Every MMO has it's issues. I've played so many over the years, on starting day/EA days...seen all this before. I'm hoping for a good game here and it looks like I will enjoy, so I can not wait.


It is stupendously good!
#28 Aug 25 2013 at 9:52 AM Rating: Good
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Zaarel Is the koolaid good? ROFL no koolaid here boss, I seemed to have misplaced my nikes and white robe somewhere along the way too lolol. What I do have is mtn dew, monster, cherry coke, sweet tea, chilled coconut water, gallons of water bottles, and a bag of pretzels to ride out the early release storm while you complain about being a paying customer get in line with the rest of us.
#29 Aug 25 2013 at 9:53 AM Rating: Decent
Someone needs to poison the koolaid....
#30 Aug 25 2013 at 9:59 AM Rating: Good
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Low level ZAM rage is good and some people don't like the game before it comes out and will sound the same after it comes out. We sort of like those people here at ZAM it's like a constant marker for the game.Remember SE attempt in 1.0 to control every single minute of gameplay with job switch fatigue, looong leve timers and the horrible after five fights need repair but try to get someone to repair your items so you don't have to go back town scheme. SE ignored the rage and slowly changed after people left. This time rage early to fix things while the newcomers are here.
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#31 Aug 25 2013 at 10:03 AM Rating: Good
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Killua125 wrote:
The Beta, or the Beta gameplay?

Most people couldn't even play the Open Beta, so that certainly drove some people's interest down.


Most? REALLY Killy? MOST?

Most: Of or pertaining to the majority. An overwhelming percentage.

You mean some, right? as in a few? as in, not really what you said at all, right? OK, just checking, carry on.
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#32 Aug 25 2013 at 10:03 AM Rating: Excellent
Warmech wrote:
Low level ZAM rage is good and some people don't like the game before it comes out and will sound the same after it comes out. We sort of like those people here at ZAM it's like a constant marker for the game.Remember SE attempt in 1.0 to control every single minute of gameplay with job switch fatigue, looong leve timers and the horrible after five fights need repair but try to get someone to repair your items so you don't have to go back town scheme. SE ignored the rage and slowly changed after people left. This time rage early to fix things while the newcomers are here.

Oh I 100% agree! But, come on, what are the chances that SE is going to let servers just not work? This isn't really a gameplay issue, this is a technical problem.
#33 Aug 25 2013 at 10:05 AM Rating: Good
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I read recently big corporate Kool Aid said it was Flavor Aid they used. How did I miss that epic fight.Smiley: lol
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#34 Aug 25 2013 at 10:07 AM Rating: Decent
Louiscool wrote:
Killua125 wrote:
The Beta, or the Beta gameplay?

Most people couldn't even play the Open Beta, so that certainly drove some people's interest down.


Most? REALLY Killy? MOST?

Most: Of or pertaining to the majority. An overwhelming percentage.

You mean some, right? as in a few? as in, not really what you said at all, right? OK, just checking, carry on.

What does this have to do other then avoid the actually talk of the problem... "Omg he said most instead of an exact number" yea complaining about that shows their is something wrong b.c you are straying from the truth.
#35 Aug 25 2013 at 10:07 AM Rating: Decent
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maybe I just don't know how but is there a way to post pictures in the forums? I'm thinking about making an error collage I've been compiling while playing just to **** off the squenix haters and ffxiv whiners we've all gotten the same error codes I thought i'd just try to make it into art.
#36 Aug 25 2013 at 10:08 AM Rating: Good
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Silvyrmist wrote:
maybe I just don't know how but is there a way to post pictures in the forums? I'm thinking about making an error collage I've been compiling while playing just to **** off the squenix haters and ffxiv whiners we've all gotten the same error codes I thought i'd just try to make it into art.


Posting images in the actual posts is a feature for premium members. Otherwise you just have to use links.
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#37 Aug 25 2013 at 10:09 AM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah, we all expected the servers to work. They're not. ******** about it and yelling at the devs from Internet forums isn't going to make them fix it any faster.

The only way to punish them for their failure is to not pay them for the game. Go, return your unopened copy and do not subscribe to the game. Boycott SE and refuse to pay them a single extra penny. That is the only communication you can give them that they will care about.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.


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#38 Aug 25 2013 at 10:11 AM Rating: Good
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Mopdaddy wrote:
Louiscool wrote:
Killua125 wrote:
The Beta, or the Beta gameplay?

Most people couldn't even play the Open Beta, so that certainly drove some people's interest down.


Most? REALLY Killy? MOST?

Most: Of or pertaining to the majority. An overwhelming percentage.

You mean some, right? as in a few? as in, not really what you said at all, right? OK, just checking, carry on.

What does this have to do other then avoid the actually talk of the problem... "Omg he said most instead of an exact number" yea complaining about that shows their is something wrong b.c you are straying from the truth.


It's pointless to have a discussion with someone who blatantly exaggerates facts to prove his argument. Why would I engage a dialogue with someone who refuses to ground their discussion in logic and reasoning?

Instead, I'll just point out that everything he says is supercilious nonsense.
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#39 Aug 25 2013 at 10:12 AM Rating: Decent
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Catwho wrote:
The pre-order numbers are actually probably a train wreck because of all the people that pre-ordered copies and then cancelled once they got their early access codes.


On the other side of this, how many prospective new players said "Hey, a game I get bonus items and early access to that I can try out until the 30th. Sweet deal!"

If they happened to pre-order a physical copy, they can simply return it. I think even if you pre-order the digital download you can cancel it and still have your pre-order account active until the 30th. It's really hard for me to understand why any of this is happening the way it is.

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30 bucks is almost free

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Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
#40 Aug 25 2013 at 10:12 AM Rating: Default
Louiscool wrote:
Mopdaddy wrote:
Louiscool wrote:
Killua125 wrote:
The Beta, or the Beta gameplay?

Most people couldn't even play the Open Beta, so that certainly drove some people's interest down.


Most? REALLY Killy? MOST?

Most: Of or pertaining to the majority. An overwhelming percentage.

You mean some, right? as in a few? as in, not really what you said at all, right? OK, just checking, carry on.

What does this have to do other then avoid the actually talk of the problem... "Omg he said most instead of an exact number" yea complaining about that shows their is something wrong b.c you are straying from the truth.


It's pointless to have a discussion with someone who blatantly exaggerates facts to prove his argument. Why would I engage a dialogue with someone who refuses to ground their discussion in logic and reasoning?

Instead, I'll just point out that everything he says is supercilious nonsense.


Yea it's called running from the problem.
#41 Aug 25 2013 at 10:16 AM Rating: Default
I am only mad that people paid 10-20 dollars extra for early access, and most of the time the servers are down. I feel cheated out of my $10 dollars.

Of course if they gave some extra promotional item, I don't know what it could justify it.
#42 Aug 25 2013 at 10:19 AM Rating: Good
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kimjongil76 wrote:
I am only mad that people paid 10-20 dollars extra for early access, and most of the time the servers are down. I feel cheated out of my $10 dollars.

Of course if they gave some extra promotional item, I don't know what it could justify it.

Didn't the guy who does the XIV show on Gamebreaker take time off work for this early access? I wonder how many people did that...

Unless the promotional item has the latent effect of 'Here's your vacation/weekend back', I don't think it would really matter all that much Smiley: laugh
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HaibaneRenmei wrote:
30 bucks is almost free

cocodojo wrote:
Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
#43 Aug 25 2013 at 10:22 AM Rating: Excellent
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I stopped playing FFXI in 2008, said I'd play WoW til the rumored new FF mmo came out. So, after waiting 5+ years for this, do you think i'm going to blow it off now? Because of pre-launch problems caused by too much interest worldwide?? Smiley: dubious
I don't think ARR is the WoW killer, but it's going to give it a damn good kick.
#44 Aug 25 2013 at 10:35 AM Rating: Excellent
Catwho wrote:
Yeah, we all expected the servers to work. They're not. ******** about it and yelling at the devs from Internet forums isn't going to make them fix it any faster.

The only way to punish them for their failure is to not pay them for the game. Go, return your unopened copy and do not subscribe to the game. Boycott SE and refuse to pay them a single extra penny. That is the only communication you can give them that they will care about.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.


So let me get this straight... You order a NY Strip, medium rare, Pittsburg-style (if you don't know what that is, shame on you - try it next time - delicious!). You then proceed to get a NY Strip cooked rare... You are telling me to not call back the waiter and demand they fix the order you paid for? You are either joking or one of the 'sheep' restaurants love as they can avoid having to fix the order it because you'll just swallow it and go without making a fuss (it's what a sheep does, thus called... a sheep).

If you PAY for something, than by god, you are ENTITLED to get what you paid for. You PAY for an education (in terms of $$ and work), than you are ENTITLED to a degree. Whether that degree works for you is another story, but your original goal WAS the degree, not the secondary effect of getting a job. And if your order is not fixed or you're not compensated, then you can proceed to rage, yell, and inform all of your friends how unhappy and sub par the quality of service was, which then causes those friends to avoid that restaurant, generating a nice loss in revenue. SE is generating a lot of annoyance right now. The few vocal fanboy/supporters will ask for calm, but people will leave this weekend with a sour taste in their mouth as will the gaming review sites who will write about this.

I'm not sure if you people have worked in management, but customer loyalty is the trademark. You don't tell them to suck it up and endure it when things go wrong. You inform, fix, and compensate. Ever seen how a manager at a 'respectable' dining establishment will ALWAYS come to your table when you complain to check on things? There's a reason for that, and it usually comes with getting an item or meal for free. If they can correct that *****-up and have you leaving with a positive attitude and respect for the company, then they just saved a backwash of negative advertisement and guaranteed a loyal customer who feels 'cared about.'

A lot of you guys may work in "IT-related fields" and "empathize" with SE, but you are forgetting the secondary and tertiary effects of these "known IT issues" that normal people place as a higher value than mere empathy for the difficulties of a trade.
#45 Aug 25 2013 at 10:40 AM Rating: Decent
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Warmech wrote:
Low level ZAM rage is good and some people don't like the game before it comes out and will sound the same after it comes out. We sort of like those people here at ZAM it's like a constant marker for the game.Remember SE attempt in 1.0 to control every single minute of gameplay with job switch fatigue, looong leve timers and the horrible after five fights need repair but try to get someone to repair your items so you don't have to go back town scheme. SE ignored the rage and slowly changed after people left. This time rage early to fix things while the newcomers are here.

Oh I 100% agree! But, come on, what are the chances that SE is going to let servers just not work? This isn't really a gameplay issue, this is a technical problem.

Lefein it's the average Joe Shmoe way , we check off our computer then check the router and our service provider then we blame SE for everything else.Smiley: smile
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#46 Aug 25 2013 at 11:17 AM Rating: Good
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The problem isn't badly run servers. Do you honestly think SE would dump so much money and effort i to this remake, that they would risk turning people away by half assing their servers? The people running the game are definatley trying to find a solution to this problem. The *** servers work, yes. But for some unkown reason, the NA servers are experiencing issues. I work as a programmer, and unless you also work in a related field, you can't possibly know how diffict it is to pin down the problem. Troubleshooting is difficult on a single computer let alone a full fleet of servers.

Theres only so much you can test with a beta, and throwing away the servers to get new ones isn't an option. They will find the problem and fix it. Learn some patience, it will take you a long way. Just because your a customer doesn't give you the right to be impatient. ***** if the problem isn't being fixed. In this case, they are working on it. There is no "easy" button when it comes to this so just relax and wait it out.


How wrong you are. The fact we are paying customers DOES give us the right to expect the service we paid for to be available on time. If it is not then we have EVERY right to be impatient. The fact you work as a programmer and I do not has no bearing on what my rights as a customer are. Further I don't need to know how difficult fixing the issue is. I simply expect it to be fixed.

This may sound harsh but it is the same expectations my customers have of our company. If something goes wrong its not their problem how difficult it is to fix it. It is mine. They should have easily been able to predict the traffic and test for that matter. It is not like SE is a small mom and pop shop. I am quite sure they have sophisticated forecasting tools and should have equally skilled network tools and teams.


And i agree with you to an extent. However technology is its own beast. Because you dont know how it works has everything to do with this. Setting up a network is extremely complex, and it may not even be because of the server load that these issues are happening. The load doesnt help, but all im saying that this might not be the underlyig issue, which is what they are investigating. Sure its not working 100 percent like it should be, but perfection doesnt exist in this world and demanding it is u realistic. This is why i dont like he north american way of doing things, and i live here. People have unrealistic expectations and that isnt squares fault, its the peoples.

As for forcasting, yes they do have the best technology for forcasting things such as how many people will play the game. But forcasting is just that, an estimate using the best available information. You can only go with the information you know, and like how a business works, i'm sure they even added additional measures in case the forcast numbers were too low. I'm willing to bet that even with that, way more people than they could have possibly predicted are playing the game. How is this possible? Probably because a lot of people either didnt pre order, or just simply did not give any input anywhere which would mean their info would never have made it into squares forcasts. Since your working for a company, i'll presume the marketing department, you should know this.
#47 Aug 25 2013 at 11:43 AM Rating: Decent
To be honest, I think it has made the game more anticpated. I simply think even more will be wanting to play the game.
Bad news go's faster than good. But when the neutrals read of this, they ALL know, games at launch have these problems.
The ones in the problems, meh maybe 10-20% will quit after 1 month, but they where going to anyway.
For me, when the game becomes "flawless"...Actually ready for launch, this game will top the market for years to come. It all depends if they continue to invest in the game adding content, adding new idea's, to keep it's audiance, or if they plan to simply add a 10+ level pack with 2 xtra dungons every 6 month.
This game has the potential to behead all MMORPG's out there, if it continues on the path it is currently - anticipation of next moves.
#48 Aug 25 2013 at 12:00 PM Rating: Excellent
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Keysofgaruda wrote:
Troubleshooting is difficult on a single computer let alone a full fleet of servers.


I would imagine as much.

Some people's imagination though, would lead you to believe that SE has a magical pixie wand, and they can just do the magical dance of instant fix, and all the problems just 'poof' away. Smiley: lol
#49 Aug 25 2013 at 9:59 PM Rating: Decent
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Mopdaddy wrote:
Louiscool wrote:
Mopdaddy wrote:
Louiscool wrote:
Killua125 wrote:
The Beta, or the Beta gameplay?

Most people couldn't even play the Open Beta, so that certainly drove some people's interest down.


Most? REALLY Killy? MOST?

Most: Of or pertaining to the majority. An overwhelming percentage.

You mean some, right? as in a few? as in, not really what you said at all, right? OK, just checking, carry on.

What does this have to do other then avoid the actually talk of the problem... "Omg he said most instead of an exact number" yea complaining about that shows their is something wrong b.c you are straying from the truth.


It's pointless to have a discussion with someone who blatantly exaggerates facts to prove his argument. Why would I engage a dialogue with someone who refuses to ground their discussion in logic and reasoning?

Instead, I'll just point out that everything he says is supercilious nonsense.


Yea it's called running from the problem.ignoring trolls.


FTFY
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