darexius2010, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
Can you tell me, at what point, I stated that I don't like to be judged based on the words I use? I'd prefer it. I'd also prefer to be judged on the words that I use throughout the board, not the two posts you selected in order to cast your personal judgement on me.
I don't have to read every post you've made to make a judgement about what you posted in this thread. If you didn't dislike my
personal assessment of the likelihood that you will stop using flawed logic, I think it is unlikely that you would make it the first part of each response. That is a
personal judgment, which is why I said "I think".
darexius2010, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
To whit, the first part of your reply. At no point did I state that SE did a good job or even completed their job. To the contrary, again, based on my prior posts which you're either intentionally or ignorantly ignoring.
At no point did I state you said they did a good job. You said I can't blame faulty programming. My response is that the source of the error is irrelevant; the fact that there is the error is an understandable basis for the suspicion of incompetence or dishonesty.
darexius2010, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
Regardless, the fact remains, some people are experiencing improvements at this point, and others seem not to be. I, myself, am logged into the game and have had no issue logging out and logging back in. As stated prior, I left for three hours to spending time with my family and returned to an immediate entry into the server I'm on with no queue whatsoever. That being said, it is not outside the realm of the queue system failing. It fails on the games you're referring to. During WoW's launch it failed miserably. To this day it still periodically fails based on load during expansion releases. This is first-hand knowledge, and you can refer to my signature in case you're inclined to claim I haven't played WoW. Systems fail. It happens. In this case it's happening in abundance. The initial days of FFXI experienced the same issues. SW:TOR experienced the same issues. While it's perfectly plausible to assume that a company can learn from these other mistakes, it's equally implausible because to date SE has launched on mainstream MMO, and that is FFXI. They did not launch WoW, STO, SW:TOR, RIFT, etc. This is the first launch for them with this codebase, and as stated, regardless of the reasons, their infrastructure is having a hard time keeping up. Will they learn from this? Yes. Will it help them in the future? Yes. It won't help the next poor sod coming along releasing their own, MMO, though, making it implausible to assume that because one product had launch issues, the next in succession from another author will not. The only way that would be plausible is if SE's programmers came from those other software companies. Also stating that SE had XI's experience to hinge on is also plausible, but fallible. A lot of the talent from 1.0 came from FFXI. My case should be clear in that respect.
EDIT: It's also implausible to surmise that all modern MMO's have resolved their load issues. If by load we're measuring capacity as well, which seems to be a favorite among our posters here, let me point your eyes towards this gem:
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Not even Blizzard, the MMO giant of this time, has worked out server capacity issues. To expect FFXIV:ARR to be 100% flawless with limitless load and capacity capabilities is flawed, to say the least.
Again, I never claimed any expectation of a flawless performance or a limitless load capacity. It would be helpful if you would argue the points I've actually made.
What your image clearly shows is a login queue. Even a lengthy login queue is a functional login queue. Thank you for clearly demonstrating that WoW has a functional queue, while FF14 doesn't, or at least hasn't over the last 7-10 days. When we hit prime time tonight, we will know what the truth is today.
Can you point to any time in the other games you've mentioned where the login queue was inoperable for a week at a time?
darexius2010, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
Now, if I may politely and respectfully ask, are you discussing this with me in the spirit of accurate and pointed discussion? Or are you at this point merely posting to prove me incorrect and make an example of me which you can stand on through the duration of your membership on this board? Either is acceptable, and please answer honestly, as I would consider it a breath of fresh air if it be the former, and I would be honored to be held in such esteem as someone to topple if in fact it be the latter.
Edited, Sep 4th 2013 5:57pm by darexius2010
Edited, Sep 4th 2013 6:03pm by darexius2010
I do not know you, and I don't expect to have any significant tenure on this forum, so I can honestly say the thought of making an example of you to "stand on" during my time here never crossed my mind.
To be completely honest, you used a logical fallacy that I find irritating as a means to be rude to someone, twice in a single thread. That is why I am discussing this with you. The rest appears to be based on misunderstandings or miscommunications.
Lingarn