Need Vs. GreedFollow

That's great to hear. Honestly, even that much gives me some hope for present progress and future content.

Thanks for clearing that up!

If you roll Need on something you don't need, how is that not ******** someone over?

If something drops that I don't need (maybe because what I have is better), I roll greed on that. It's just polite.

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And it's due to people like this that these systems start to break down.

Id like to point out that the current system is pretty foolproof. I cant roll need on things I dont need. So if you guys are getting butthurt over losing a roll for an alt class to someone else it is pretty pathetic. You cant just willy nilly roll need. Hell if you have the item already it wont let you roll need. Its not being abused. So why are you guys crying over it?

You will have the option to roll Need on any item relevant to your current class.

This means that STR-based leather is open for lancers and pugilists. DEX-based everything is open to archers. Items with an emphasis on defensive stats are open to MRD and GLD. And of course anything that's class-specific like a main-hand weapon is restricted to that class only.

The game is pretty good about managing this effectively. Off the top of my head I can't remember any instances where it's just been dead wrong.

And no, quality doesn't matter, all gear is treated this way when it drops in a dungeon.

Ah okay. There have been times when I was the healer in the group and greeded on some leather belt and it seemed the melee also greeded on the belt and I got it. I know on my pugilist I had to greed on a leather belt that a healer caster won with another greed so I was trying to figure out why I didn't get a need.

Perhaps the folks don't understand the difference. I, for example, assumed that there are 3 options: Need, Greed, or Pass. And I assumed that "need" meant you want it (aren't passing) but are rolling legitimately against others whereas greed meant, as the name certainly implies "it's mine ******!" But after reading OP's post I'm thinking this isn't true? If I want a piece of gear what should I select?

I run dungeons as a Gladiator/Paladin and whenever an item pops up I don't have the option to need it unless it is specifically for GLD/PLD.

I'm with you on that one. When I read how SE implemented that, it left my mouth agape. What happens to someone just starting now, that once they get to the point of being able to get their AF gear, get locked out because everyone else has already gotten theirs and there is no benefit to fighting them again. While I'd like to think there are a bevy of people out there willing to help out their fellow gamer, the reality is that they are falling into the trend of 'It's all about me. If there's no benefit for me, why should I help?' I can see that being one of the first things changed. It works well enough now, because everyone needs them.

Yeah, I'm aware of all that. I'm speaking more specifically about the Chimera and Hydra fights. There is absolutely no incentive for someone to fight them again once they've gotten their 'reward' from them. This creates a 'shut off' at one point or the other. I'm not at that point in the game yet (quickly approaching at Lvl 48), but I'm aware it's a level 50 battle, which means even XP is off the table as an incentive. From what I understand, you can't queue for it in duty finder, as they actually spawn on the server itself. So, someone reaching that point in a month will have to have everything stacked in his favor to even have a chance at getting a group to help him.

1) There will have to not only be enough people left that still need it, but enough of the respectful classes/jobs to form a balanced party capable of defeating it. This is, of course, barring the fact that he is in a good. well populated and diversified FC/Linkshell where others don't necessarily need personal gain to help another out.

2) Without the use of some kind of overall unified chat, he is reduced to either hoping everyone (if they exist) is in the same zone he is shouting for a group, or must continually travel from zone to zone, shouting as he goes

3) It's just really not well thought out in long term. I think you get what I'm saying. It kind of contradicts the reason DF exists in the first place.

There is going to be a same server bulletin board lfg, likewhat they have now. No one will use it I guarantee as long as you can get in DF quick