A NightmareFollow

Brayflox's Duty is a as the Title says. Been trying to do this for the past several days. Takes forever to get a party, when you do get a party people up and leave just as you start the duty or at some point during. I've been to the final Boss several times only to either die (the whole party) or time runs out. And I'm not the only one with these issues. A lot of people I've talked to say the have the exact same issues.

Brayflox is the first dungeon where you even start to have to move during battle on a regular basis. If the tank can't dodge the final boss's moves fast enough, if the healer and DDs don't move fast enough once he starts spewing (I'm trying not to post spoilers here), if the tank doesn't keep the boss in a good spot, it's a lost cause. It's definitely a rough dungeon to do via random DF party.

And if you think the final Brayflox boss is bad, wait til you hit the first boss in Qarn.

100% this. When I did it through DF only the tank had done it before, he explained it before the fight and we won on the 2nd try.

This is one of the dungeons, in my opinion, where the difficulty really starts to ramp up on both mechanics and "gear checks". The last boss does truly have a mechanic that if not focused on and dealt with appropriately will create an instance of not being able to down the boss. Tanks leaving the boss in the green slime he spews or losing aggro and having DPS/Heals leaving him in the slime seem to be the way most wipes occur. Also, it is one of those fights where you need some pretty decent healing throughput, so being too undergeared can certainly have a detrimental effect whether it's any of the classes participating and not just the healers. Better gear = Better Defence = Less Healing throughput needed.

I would keep trying or get some better gear or more levels. It's definitely doable, but is wholly fairly different than most of the other story dungeons leading up to this point.

At least from my perspective.

Edited, Sep 19th 2013 10:13am by Aquidar

I agree the game is easy, but if this is their first time at longstop, not so much. As it's been stated many times before, this dungeon is the first real test as far as dungeons go.

I won this my first time, but that was because the tank and healer were awesome together. After that, I ran the dungeon multiple times for gear and walked the people new to the dungeon through how things work. I never won the dungeon again.

A big thing I see (and always comment on) is tanks not moving out of the breath attack at all, or in time. Once you see that hit box fall, you need to move ASAP. You don't have time to finish whatever chain you've started, just go. I've had tanks swear to me that its impossible to move out of, and so they just stay put. No bueno.

Another thing that helps is to impress on the tank to keep the poison pools condensed as much as possible. This ideally gives everybody room to maneuver late in the battle when things get hairy. You don't need to move the dragon far to move it off the poison pools. DDs should, ideally, remain as close to the healer as possible and still do damage, to prevent the healer from having to reposition so much to keep you in range and heal you up.

Just a few off-the-cuff thoughts.

As a Tank I've done this dungeon 3 or 4 times, I think I've been hit with the dragons breath once which honestly should be 0.
If the tank is paying attention and moves ASAP you wont get hit.

What server are you on Looking4U? I'm on Balmung and I could totaly run this with you (if you're on my server).

As it's been said before here, pan your camera out as far as you can (or can tolerate). It helps a ton to see everything on the ground around you, I've done it for a few dungeons now and it makes things significantly easier.

I agree with others though, this fight is highly reliant on the tank positioning the boss in the right direction, with the healer properly maneuvering around. As the dungeons progress, being panned out will be more beneficial and there's more and more highlighted attacks to avoid.

All my tries with DF on Brayflox and most pre-LV50 dungeons have been successful.
However, recently I start to get the feeling of defeat on the level 50 dungeons cause the falling rate jumped soooooo much. This is partly due to players becoming more and more intolerant to failure. I can understand this is because at cap level you can't get any benefit except end it as fast as possible to get whatever loot needed.
The things you see and hear at these dungeons can be unbelievably rude and unhelpful.
I like the game and just don't understand what is the purpose of insulting people when they are first timer and still learning.

We had an awful time on it - tank on EU latency didn't help much, as didn't a pickup WHM with a fondness for paddling in poison. Ended up beating it with FC helping us in a very interesting setup of a WAR PLD MNK SCH combo since not everyone had multiple jobs they could do it on.

Couple of tips given to me by FC guys - set your controls to legacy mode so you can run back easier, and angle your camera from up in the air a bit so you can see floor stuff easier (also helps with Isgebind - although the pale blue on pale blue there is not fun SE)

This is a big problem I have seen for a lot of other tanks, and a big part of it is where the tank positions himself within the enemies hitbox. So often I see tanks keeping a discrete distance from the boss which puts them in the wider part of the field when a breath happens. This means they have to run farther to get out of the area, and if the cast is too quick, they will never make it. I am a tank myself and our raid leader and I make sure to train all of our tanks that you don't need to stand 10ft from their nose so that it looks more like a fight. Tuck in on the smallest part of the hitbox in front of the enemies (which should be about 1ft in front of its pivot point) and when the cone shows up you only have to take 2 steps through the boss to miss the attack and 2 steps back to keep him from turning. I usually walk backwards because of how slow it is you can usually dart forward and then immediately start backpedaling. This way, the attack misses and the boss doesn't even budge because you are back in his face before he finishes the animation. To me, this is one of the MOST important tactics for a tank to use. For big AOEs of course things are different and you want to stand as far back from the enemy and still maintain range.

http://imgur.com/cSl7diq

Here is an image I threw together to help illustrate my point. I see far too many tanks standing back in the wide part of conical attacks and whether strafing or running through, they have too far to go.

With a tank like that, you should feel damn proud to have made it to the poison phase. That is an accomplishment unto itself.

Listen up tanks!

Small movements, and only when needed! Plant those feet and take it on the f*ckin' chin! Only move when you need to re-position or when you need to avoid an AOE... other than that, stand still ya jackhole!

Your gear is probably better than mine. Honestly I feel my DPS is OK enough for this fight. The issue is watching DMG go to waste because the scaley nuisance is allowed to roll around in his own vomit for far too long.

On a side note I will take the advice of trying to remain a little closer to the healer. I've been finding myself trying to stay tight with the tank (close to the wall when rotations permit) in hopes of isolating said poisonous vomit.



PS: and directed at no one. Bailing after one or two poor performances in DF is so weak. I get as much enjoyment watching someone finally 'get it' as I do completing the instance. I guess I'm just a little less sour in these situations.





Edited, Sep 19th 2013 12:50pm by ShindaUsagi