Suggestions for improving Dungeons: First-Timers vs. Speed Follow

The healer in me doesn't agree with letting him die over that, but to each their own I guess.

and apparently, not all cutscenes can be viewed again in the inn..so skipping isn't really an option to appease the impatient. .

You give someone an incentive, they're just going to become even more of an *******. That's like having a mentor program with incentives on Dragon Nest. The mentors don't give a ****, they just want their damn incentive and then they'll be gone like the wind.

I see what you're saying. Honestly, I'm missing the community feel of XI. I don't know how to recapture that feeling.

It's stuff like this that's going to cost SE some subs more than anything imo. I have some friends who are quite casual with MMO's, and I want them to stick around. But if they run into ANYTHING like this with the main story line, they'll end their sub without thinking twice about it. They understand there's an endgame scene, they don't care for it, but they think they should at least be able to do the main plot in peace.

My guess at some point is SE will force you to fight 90%+ of the trash mobs along the way somehow, negating the speedrun. It really sucks that the endgame scene is falling over with the casual folk who just want to have a good time and not worry about that crap. Stuff like Sky gods, Sea Jailers, Dynamis, etc were never part of the main story in XI, you had no reason to do them unless you wanted to for gear. It needs to be the same. How about just adding a couple more optional dungeons that don't affect the storyline and losing the tome drops in CM?

This, a billion times.

I'll probably end up shouting for a group and asking FC members for help when I do this for my main story, just so I don't need to worry about cutscene drama.

Or why not just make this game off line? I mean there are not that many options for group content so why take what little there is and make it smaller. Plus on a side note that would increase that amount off instance ran on the server about 4 to 8 times.

Unacceptable.

This is definitely a problem with player mentality. I actually did a run with our FC to help someone complete this run for the first time. The person was the tank, and after remembering my nightmares with this (I can't tell you how many times I got yelled at my first PUG run of this because I did this wrong, or that wrong), I was taking the time to explain what to do, and the person was watching their cutscenes.

Needless to say, people got impatient, started running to places they knew better than to go to, we ended up taking far longer than expected. I personally died 5 times in the run trying to save people, or to prevent control loss from people getting ahead of themselves.

And that is not unique. When it comes to CM and CP for that matter, people need to remember that sometimes it's a persons first run. They need to step back, take a minute, and walk the person through. It doesn't matter if it's your 10th run or 100th run. Yes it's tedious, but for them it's new. They don't know where to go. They may not know how to aim the canons, or line up the mobs, or to return at a specific point rather than run back.

The timer has nothing to do with it. It only takes 10 extra minutes (on a dungeon that can be run in 30 minutes, that's not horrible) to help someone learn it for the first time. And while some people (I took 4 runs before I had everything down to tank it) will take longer to learn than others, we all end up spamming these things to death. But we should at least have the courtesy to remember what it was like the first time.

Solution: SE should award 100% extra tombstones for letting newcomers finish all their cutscenes to the end. That way everyone will insist you finish them damn it!

The "speed run" box is a terrible idea because it merely encourages speed running. There should be a bonus for timely completion but it should be based on efficient DPS and not based on Sprint.