During these stomps, you also have to worry about curing the tank. If the tank isn't at FULL hp, the mountain buster that follows will surely kill him. Then you have the almost GARAUNTEED chance that someone, somewhere, will get hit by a weight or a bomb and need a few spot cures to full HP.
Now, if someone happens to take a weight, you can give them a cure and a regen because ideally they won't be 1 stomp away from death.
And I think you mean phase 4? Technically 5 if you count heart phase.
All we're saying is that more HP is better, why would you disagree with this? I can garauntee no one will walk into titan and be a pro. With the suggestions of more hp, you are given more leeway to mess up and not die.
Edited, Sep 24th 2013 2:45pm by Louiscool
Hey Louis: I understand what you are saying, ok? I don't believe you are spouting pure bullsh*t like the quote below. Notice in my guide that I actually do recommend full DL but say it can be done in full AK gear. I also recommend VIT% food. I didn't need it but I know others who might.
I'm also well aware of how the fight works. Did you know that several classes have wonderful abilities for the combo on the tank in phase 3 that reduces its damage output? Virus works quite well on my BLM. BRD also has RoD to reduce mountain buster damage as well. Paladin has a CD that negates its entire damage.
Which is my next point: the tank can survive briefly without a healer due to cooldowns. It is why you showed me a parse with a warrior DPS, actually. No one will let WAR tank this it seems due to all of the tools PLD has at its disposal.
Technically, I mean phase 1, 2, and 3 as listed here
. I did tell you I wrote a guide tailored to BLMs based on my experiences with all three primals right?
More HP is great but I think if you stress this point, you are missing the point of this fight entirely.
Phase 3 is this:
Mountain Buster > Tumult (Multiple Uses) > Weight of the Land > Bombs (three patterns of bombs) > Landslide > Mountain Buster > Weight of the Land > Gaol > Landslide > Repeat
So someone eats a a weight you say? This is expected. As you can see, he uses tumult once every 7 moves. What are the abilities right before tumult? Landslide and mountain buster. If someone is hit by landslide at this point, they're dead. Nothing is going to save them. That means the tank is the healer's primary focus at this point. You have two healers for one tank. You might even have 3 depending on comp. One is most likely going to be raid healing (if the fairy on SCH isn't doing it for them).
The last time Titan uses weight of the land is FOUR
moves before he uses tumult. If your healer cannot cap you off in this time frame, your healers have an issue: not your max HP. Hence, why I said this was a healing check.
Also, you are neglecting something so critical for BLMs and that is our ability to heal ourselves. It's not as potent as healer cures but I EASILY sustain the least amount of damage during geocrush, earthen fury, and tumult because I have manaward, manawall, and physick at my disposal to handle this.
Geocrush about to go off? Manaward > pre-cast physick as he lands
Result: You take around 20% damage from geocrush and are healed to around 95% with physick. Everyone else in the group is <50% if they aren't in SCH soil
Earthen fury about to go off? Pre-cast physick with swiftcast physick ready if your healers are REALLY slacking. They literally have nothing to do during heart phase besides heal the pitifuul damage done to the tank by Titan and heal anyone who gets hit by plumes. Actually, many WHMs I know switch stances during this phase and go all out DPS, leaving the healing to the other healer entirely. If people are not capped off for earthen fury, they're going to die.
Since BLM can cap themselves off before fury goes off, this is a non-issue.
Let's talk tumult then. Now, again, I haven't done extensive testing (because I haven't had to ever worry about it
), but manawall or manaward will most likely negate part of tumults damage. If it doesn't, you can always spam physick during the tumult phase. My physicks generally heal 300 HP non-crit in a short time window meaning my EHP during tumult phase is actually not 3300, 3200, 3100, or whatever the hell my HP is at the time: it's my current HP max + the equivalent of 2~3 physick cures.
This means I actually have MORE EHP than almost any other damage dealing class during this phase which is why high HP for BLM is NOT needed at all. It is simply a luxury.
This means that the only thing I need to do before tumult goes off is avoid the plumes that are THREE
moves in front of tumult. If I get hit by plumes, all I have to do is cast 3 physicks.
But here's the thing: if I dodge weight, I don't need to do anything. The EHP I have is irrelevant at that point as long as it can survive his 10 stomp tumult. Since the healers are spamming AoE heals at this point, there is actually no possible way for a BLM to die to tumult unless he is out of range of heals even ignoring all I just told you.
Absolutely no one will walk into Titan as a pro: I completely agree. Absolutely no one will survive through Titan if they do not learn to dodge which means max HP is irrelevant besides the tank. Only one move will one-shot you outside of landslide and that's double plume. If you're getting hit by two plumes, you have big issues. The healers can also resurrect you if you die to double plume quite easily making this issue even less severe than it already is.
Everyone must perform their job perfectly. The margin of error is such that one person (a DPS) may be landslided off. That's it.
I hope this makes sense. I honestly cannot tell you, out of those 54 attempts, when I ever died to tumult when the rest of the group didn't.
Edit: Before we even get into this, let's have a look at something very interesting I found:
My BLM apparently got carried!
That's what your post boils down to. Secondly, the threshold of 3,400 health is considered a bare minimum for brand new groups
Brand. New. Groups.
Has that sunk in yet? It was rough estimate based on the average healing from 2 healers with Garuda weapons going against Titan and the fight lasting long enough to get to 8 stomps. If you're running with people that have already killed him
(underlined part here) then your threshold is lower because those healers more than likely HAVE their relic (or Allagan or +1 Relic) and the bonus to healing compensates for your lack of gearing.
Frankly, if you can't be bothered to actually go after Darklight gear for Titan that just shows not only laziness but a disregard for whoever you're grouping with because they have to pick up YOUR slack.
Titan is a mechanics fight and a gear check. Trying to deny it when you admitted to being carried means nothing.
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Hiding behind your weaver won't really help you:
Based on this post:
You play a paladin. You stated Titan did something particular to you..a critical hit:
Besides that, you're right as there are more than a few abilities that you can't avoid that hit hard usually and *incredibly* hard the worst case scenario -- you get crit. It's only happened *once* but when I was crit by Titan for 5,250 on rage table I slammed invincible as fast as I could. Awareness was already down otherwise it wouldn't have been an issue, but 5,250 of a 5,780 health is dangerous as sh*t.
Guess what 8% of 5375 (your current HP) is? 430 HP. Guess how much HP you have with tanking food (+8%VIT) on? 5805.
Bolded ringing any bells? No doubt your gear has changed since to account for the 25 HP.
Now let's look at your profile:
You've admitted to being a legacy player in several posts. This character is on a legacy server.
Legacy player with a relic...and a bunch of AK drops. You are basically slamming OP for something that you don't even have yourself. Pathetic.
By your logic, you were carried as well. Good lord at least try to hide your tracks a little better in the future. And now to address your flimsy points where your credibility has already been shot:
Of course someone like you you would appear with misinformed opinions, spouting how gear is such a huge thing in this fight and it makes all the difference int he world. It's only natural that people hide behind their gear when they lack the skill to do things in game that are even a little challenging. How hard is it to dodge a landslide, plumes, and a bomb anyways? Not very. That's what makes Titan and your own HP irrelevant: he's predictable to the point that you should never be hit outside of latency issues.
My group that initially killed him had no one in it that had 'already killed him'. Not only have I never died to any of Titan's tumults before anyone else in my group, but I also take far less damage than other players in my group due to manaward. Your analogy falls apart because your assumptions are incorrect.
My DPS was at its peak (5% above the 2nd highest DPS). I have gotten hit by landslide 3 times, once by bombs, and died twice to double plumes 3 times in the span of 54 runs.
Know what's even better? The monk in my FC, who has a similar mindset as you, obtained full DL and Garuda's weapon before attempting this fight despite me telling him that DPS isn't an issue: your survivability is.
In a FC run, 34 wipes occurred before a win at the 35th. 22 of those wipes were caused because the monk kept getting knocked off, plumed, or bombed. Similarly, a bard with full DL was with us at the time (remember, I was still in full demagogue at this point). 8 of the wipes were caused by the BRD doing the exact same thing: running into bombs, getting knocked off, or getting double plumed.
The remaining 4 wipes were caused due to the healer acquiring aggro due to medica 2 spam during phase 1.
Two of the players had what you recommend: full DL and a Garuda's weapon. Not only did both players parse well beneath me (6% lower) but were the result of the wipes.
Titan is not an extreme gear check that you make it out to be. Titan is a "can you control your ADHD for longer than 5 second" fight, a "can your healers learn not to spam medica when it isn't necessary so they do not pull threat" fight, and a "can your DPS kill the heart in time" fight. Hint: the heart can be killed with ease using people in full AK gear + DL accessories.
Quoted for truth.
Next you'll try to say I was carried through coil 1 through 3.
Try again at a later date.
Preferably, please post your character (edit: oh wait: already found it
). After that, post screenshots of Caduceus kill and parse/ADS kill and parse (edit: don't need the parse! you're a tank
Oh and one more thing: if you want to see a bunch of my parses, head on over to:
http://ffxiv.zam.com/forum.html?forum=292&mid=137854236841132432#10 Edited, Sep 26th 2013 5:40am by HitomeOfBismarck