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#27 Oct 24 2013 at 6:23 PM Rating: Excellent
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I was referring to "enough" ram not "good" ram, should have been clearer on that.

I doubt the OP will be overclocking and you won't be finding a 2500k system ready made these days. If you can and they are significantly cheaper from a company you can trust go for it for sure, they're good CPUs.

Going cheaper on the processor for him in any meaningful way means dropping to an i3 and you won't want to be running FFXIV on an i3. His budget screams i5 and budget GPU, if he drops to a lower CPU the GPU isn't going to matter.
#28 Oct 24 2013 at 7:49 PM Rating: Decent
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I am willing to build, it's just makes it more complicated doing it that way. This is easier, and I'll give him my old parts as I upgrade my own.

Thanks for confirming it's okay to use - was afraid I may have missed something.

With prebought, you'd have less hassle in that if the rig dies in the 1st year, BB would service it. You're paying overhead for that though, so not as much value in the parts. It is definitely the easier route.

I built my current rig for $800 ish, 2 years ago. It's enough to play maxed out, but in choosing the parts I did (budget, high performance:cost ratio), I limited myself on the upgrade path. While you can build a high end gaming rig that is more upgradeable, you also pay for that potential. With the mobo choice I went with, I'm limited to 1 graphic card (so no SLI/xfire etc without replacing the mobo), can't overclock (not unlocked), and limited hdd sockets. That said, if you're planning a budget rig, you probably wouldn't be considering anything above that, so it's a good deal in the sense that you're not paying extra for unnecessary potential. you can also cut out costs like the OS which is factored into store-bought. Can pick up a case on CL or kijiji or whatever bbs, at reduced cost as well.

That said, the mirror match to the pc I built, taking parts which have replaced it at a similar performance:price point, while stronger, is still >$500.

corsair tx650 $70
various budget mobo (no upgrade potential - asrock/msi) $50-$55
gskill 4x2 $75-$93
gtx 660 $190-210
haswell cpu $190-200 (same range as the old i5s)
wd black hdd $60-76 (320-500gb)
case $20 (2nd hand) - $50 (new)

Still looking at around $650. Could probably scale back the gpu a bit, but the 660's at a pretty solid p:p point. Black Friday may well ease this a little.
I'm running on an i5-2500, but I didn't see any listed on newegg in the cursory glance I took.
Others would have probably better suggestions. This is just to give you an idea of power achievable vs price.

My worry about that prebought is where they're likely skimming: the psu. I don't think you'd be able to upgrade from a 7450 (which is decent at best) with whatever generic low-wattage psu they're probably shipping with that.

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PS4 still looking to be the best option unless the utility of having a PC is a necessary.

I'd agree with this, if the purpose is solely to play 14, but wouldn't carry forwards as well as a PC would if/when he loses interest in 14.
#29 Oct 24 2013 at 9:19 PM Rating: Decent
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I was referring to "enough" ram not "good" ram, should have been clearer on that.

I doubt the OP will be overclocking and you won't be finding a 2500k system ready made these days. If you can and they are significantly cheaper from a company you can trust go for it for sure, they're good CPUs.

Going cheaper on the processor for him in any meaningful way means dropping to an i3 and you won't want to be running FFXIV on an i3. His budget screams i5 and budget GPU, if he drops to a lower CPU the GPU isn't going to matter.


I wasn't talking about good RAM vs bad RAM either. RAM is on the level of other components like HDD because you only need enough of it.

Also, you should do your research. There were at least 20(probably many more, but I only checked the first page) new barebones PCs on ebay using the 2500-k for $350-$370.It's cheaper, it's a better processor and it's one of the easier air overclocks out there. Even if the OP doesn't want to overclock(which is easy enough to do with bios or even downloaded software), they've got higher base clocks and at least the ability to OC if they want to down the road. Not airtight futureproof, but at least a little room to grow should the need arise.

It's a better processor at least as far as XIV is concerned, and it's cheaper. Why shouldn't that be considered even a viable option? It's pretty clear that it's better in my own opinion.
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30 bucks is almost free

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Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
#30 Oct 25 2013 at 2:26 AM Rating: Good
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I have a question maybe someone can help with?

I've bought a new CPU and MB today which I will install (huzzah! no more capped frame rates). My W8 was the dlc upgrade from W7 I bought from the Microsoft website so I don't have a disc. I've never upgraded before without doing a complete fresh OS install, can I just install the new MB and CPU and then reboot? Presumably W8 will auto-load the new drivers required and I can then use the system reset to force a fresh install?
#31 Oct 25 2013 at 2:43 AM Rating: Decent
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Maybe.

In theory you should be able to plug them in and play. Windows should upgrade or install any new drivers you need, but you may have to adjust BIOS settings if you did anything like RAID setup for HDD. Otherwise it should just be a matter of switching them out.
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Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
#32 Oct 25 2013 at 2:55 AM Rating: Good
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That's what I'm hoping, I've no fancy RAID setup, I just bought some SSDs and use my HDDs for movies, music and such, I'll only turn the counter up on the CPU from 3.6 → 4 which should be pretty safe with the hydro cooler I have.
#33 Oct 25 2013 at 5:03 AM Rating: Good
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I have a question maybe someone can help with?

I've bought a new CPU and MB today which I will install (huzzah! no more capped frame rates). My W8 was the dlc upgrade from W7 I bought from the Microsoft website so I don't have a disc. I've never upgraded before without doing a complete fresh OS install, can I just install the new MB and CPU and then reboot? Presumably W8 will auto-load the new drivers required and I can then use the system reset to force a fresh install?


I tried to recently, followed most suggestions out there, it just wouldn't boot. Sometimes it works, other times it doesn't. Just be ready to do a full OS install.
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#34 Oct 25 2013 at 5:11 AM Rating: Good
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Montsegurnephcreep wrote:
SolomonGrundy wrote:
I have a question maybe someone can help with?

I've bought a new CPU and MB today which I will install (huzzah! no more capped frame rates). My W8 was the dlc upgrade from W7 I bought from the Microsoft website so I don't have a disc. I've never upgraded before without doing a complete fresh OS install, can I just install the new MB and CPU and then reboot? Presumably W8 will auto-load the new drivers required and I can then use the system reset to force a fresh install?


I tried to recently, followed most suggestions out there, it just wouldn't boot. Sometimes it works, other times it doesn't. Just be ready to do a full OS install.



Hmm, that's kind of the problem, I don't have a disc to do a full install as I bought it digitally, and I guess making a backup is pointless as I'll be installing the same config.

Reading up on it, there seems to be no problem with W8, I should just uninstall as many drivers as I can before making the switch.

Edited, Oct 25th 2013 7:17am by SolomonGrundy
#35 Oct 25 2013 at 5:29 AM Rating: Good
No way to download it on to a USB stick?
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#36 Oct 25 2013 at 5:50 AM Rating: Good
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Montsegurnephcreep wrote:
No way to download it on to a USB stick?


It would still be an image though, wouldn't it? I'm not 100% sure on this - and what capacity USD stick would be needed?
#37 Oct 25 2013 at 7:14 AM Rating: Good
I had no issues when I installed my new CPU and motherboard. Windows 8 was all like "Oh, I've been upgraded? Okay" and that was that. It did make me call Microsoft to verify I hadn't done a fresh install on a new system, though.

That was annoying.
#38 Oct 25 2013 at 7:38 AM Rating: Good
I want to recommend toms hardware forums. I dream up computer builds more than I end up buying them and find they answer quickly and always know the best bang for the buck. I used to check on a couple forums, Hard and Xotic pc (I heart their laptops) but I found toms to have the best community for this sort of question. Toms also does a seasonally budget build. They don't test FF but you'll get to see benchmarks on a comparable $600 build.

When you settle on something please link us too it. I'm thinking about picking up a budget store bought myself. I have a ps4 pre-ordered but the game I wanted, Watch Dogs, was delayed till next year. It looks like they are going for about 600 on ebay so I could turn it into a budget gaming machine and pick up the ps4 next year.

Edited, Oct 25th 2013 9:39am by Squander
#39 Oct 25 2013 at 8:37 AM Rating: Good
I remember when Tom's Hardware Forum was on Delphi forums before those got shuttered a decade ago. Smiley: laugh
#40 Oct 25 2013 at 9:51 AM Rating: Decent
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FilthMcNasty wrote:
Yodabunny wrote:
...If you can and they are significantly cheaper from a company you can trust go for it for sure, they're good CPUs...


Also, you should do your research. There were at least 20(probably many more, but I only checked the first page) new barebones PCs on ebay using the 2500-k for $350-$370.It's cheaper, it's a better processor and it's one of the easier air overclocks out there...Why shouldn't that be considered even a viable option?...


I did my research. I personally don't trust ebay for PC purchases but I've already stated the 2500k is a good processor. Not sure what you're trying to argue against here.

#41 Oct 25 2013 at 3:35 PM Rating: Default
My roommate plays on a 200$ computer I got from Fry's with a 100$ graphics card stuck into it. The game plays fine but the processor has a hard time keeping up in crowded areas.
#42 Oct 25 2013 at 4:07 PM Rating: Decent
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Yodabunny wrote:
I did my research. I personally don't trust ebay for PC purchases but I've already stated the 2500k is a good processor. Not sure what you're trying to argue against here.


Well you said "you won't be finding a 2500k system ready made these days" and it turns out that wasn't true. I'm not really trying to argue, just pointing out that the OP has better options that are not only cheaper, but will perform better and allow for expansion in the future.
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30 bucks is almost free

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Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
#43 Oct 26 2013 at 7:16 AM Rating: Good
I've made the recommendation before, but hardforum, anandtech and hardware canucks (for us Canadians) have buy/sell/trade sections. There's great deals to be had here, but it always comes at a risk since you're relying on people's honesty. I've made most of my recent purchases from these sites and have had good luck.

Last upgrade I did was 3570k + UD5H motherboard for almost 260$ in savings from new (I know it's used, but the stuff was in great condition). A lot of these sellers just buy it, bench it, sell it as a hobby. Usually great deals on new video cards for that reason alone. Some of the 3570's and similar chips are at a good rate right now cause of people wanting to move to Haswell. These I5-I7, regardless of generation can mostly handle any new single GPU out there. If you're planning on SLI/crossfiring then you might have to consider something new. That being said, if you're on a budget, I doubt you'll ever be headed in that direction.
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