DF: Can't kick? Then cool downFollow

I kinda lol at the idea that they think adding an MVP system will stop trolls like this.

There needs to be vote-kick, but I just dont see it happening. I would settle for a DF blacklist. Where you can add anyone from any server, and if they are on your black list, they cant do duty finder with you.

No more trolls, no more elitests, no more high lag people, done. If someone doesnt fit your play style, you blist them and then duty finder prevents you from having to interact with them.

We definitely need a vote-kick system, just make it so the remaining 3 members have to agree with the decision. If even 1 person disagrees, the kick doesn't go through. The majority rules in this case whether you consider it elitist or not.

The OPs situation is a perfect example of why this system is needed. Sometimes you run into some major morons and they just need to go. A blacklist system is needed too.

Edited, Nov 4th 2013 1:29pm by BrokenFox

Even though blisting a person from duty finder seems more effective than having a voting system, I think DF should be treated like a violation of some sort. You have special ppl that handles reported players of cheating or abusing certain things in the game. You have ppl that just go on DF to **** other ppl off for no reason. You don't like a group, then leave don't go crazy like you are mentally ill. Now said player is reported and are on file...other players report the same behavior with this person..again a file is buidling up against said person. Eventually after a certain amount of complaints the said person should be suspended from DF for a certain period of time of just ban. I mean who would miss and *******? But I hope I don't waste my time and end up with another troll...

Well for vote kick to work it would need the following:

1) You only get 1 vote kick per instance, and you personally can only initiate a vote to kick 1 person per 24 hours, and it would cost the person who initiates it some of their MVP points
2) You need 3/4 or 7/8 people to vote yes to kick
3) Whoever initiates the kick has a 15 minute lockout regardless once they complete/leave the instance
4) Whoever was kicked gets a 15 minute lockout regardless
5) You cannot vote kick after a certain point (aka right before last boss)
6) If you are vote kicked more than a certain number of times a day, a gm will review your behavior

That would cover most of the abuse. I am sure there are still other circumstances, but something has to be done about the afkers/trolls (specially in titan HM)

I like some of the ideas that are floating around here about the penalties with people who decide to troll the Duty Finder but I think we're now seeing what happens when Quality of Life functions from other games impact the entire genre. Don't get me wrong I understand completely the need for a Dungeon Finder to help speed a long the process of getting group invites (XI Players know full well how long it could take if you weren't the FoTM DD back before Wings) but at the same time I wish it would only pull from 3-5 servers instead of 12-13 that it currently draws from.

Coupled with a Cross-Realm Blacklist I think it could possibly kill two birds with one stone. It would promote a sense of Community since the random pool of players would be smaller and it would also keep trolls from being too out of control because a Black List from too many players would really inhibit their own ability to do things.

TLDR: Shrink the amount of servers that are Grouped Together in the DF and Add a Cross-Realm Black List

I think part of the problem with SWTOR's version of the system (and I agree, it's bad) is that the choice comes up in the context of a scoreboard.

If it were just a simple dialog box at the end that listed everyone and asked who was the most helpful, I think the outcome would be a little more honest.

SE, you need to follow through if you're gonna import ideas from other games. DF(more commonly known as 'Dungeon Finder') is a tool for casuals to pick up some quick and easy content without spending upwards of an hour to put a group together.

I don't think they thought the purpose of the DF through. Dungeon Finder in WoW only rides you up to cap and gives you a push. At best, you come away with enough to start normal content. If you want to challenge hardmode content, you assemble a group from what you can find around town. Putting casual players in hardcore content... seems legit? I don't like it.

Call me old fashioned, but I think that people who want to do hardmode content should be restricted to their own server for a pool to draw from. You assemble the group and gearcheck prior to heading out and there's much less drama. People will also act accordingly when having to deal with their own neighbors.

Ive had the opposite experience. GM showed up and said that the tank was allowed to just sit there not helping, but because he was swearing at us he was told he was getting a warning for that.

Guess it depends on the gm.

I agree with this...

I don't think you understand the logistics of what you're suggesting here. There is already a bottleneck due to the tank/healer/dps check. If you add a check that separates players by blacklists, you slow that process even more. Instead of punishing the person added to your list, you punish everyone who comes into contact with that player as well.

DF doesn't work the way you think it does. I think if you understood how groups were formed then you'd see the issues that arise from implementing a blacklist feature.

I had a similar thing happen to me at Garuda. I took the penalty for the entire group by leaving the Duty and filed a harassment report but never heard anything back about it. Fifteen minutes later, I was able to get back into Garuda HM and of course the same person was in my group again.

Imagine a building with a bunch of lobbies and rooms in it. That's the DF. Everyone who queue's up for DF is basically standing in a line to get into the lobby and once their lobby is full, they enter their room(dungeon) in the building(server). Each lobby in the building allows for a certain combination of the right job roles. People line up outside the building and one by one, they enter in the order they queue'd up. That's pretty much how it works. First come, first served. DF in a nutshell.


There is no guarantee that you won't wait 10 mins and get another asshat in your group. The only guarantee is that you'll never be matched with that specific person again. There is enough of a stink being made about it that it's clearly not just the work of one person.

I'd also like to point out here that a blacklist system can(and will) be abused just like a vote-to-kick feature would be. If I scrape by in an instance that should have been a breeze because someone else wasn't pulling their weight, why wouldn't I blacklist them? In fact, why would I not just blacklist everyone but the great players. Then I'd have to wait longer for queues, but at least I'd know I was always matched up with pros....

It goes both ways.



The logic is simple. Because of how the DF works(explained above), people would end up having an incredibly deflated pool of people to pick from for DF content. Instead of waiting 10 mins on the next available tank, you might sit there half an hour because of who other people in your group have on their black list.

Think beyond just yourself for a moment here. A blacklist would expand to every other member of your group. If you queue'd up and got stuck with me(elitist tank) who started blacklisting every scrub that stood in fire once, you'd be waiting an awfully long time to get a group. Not only that, but you'd have no idea why. Blacklisting doesn't address the issue, it just kicks the can. Eventually the problem will need to be addressed properly.

Removing difficult content from DF is still the best course of action in my opinion. All of the gear griping goes away once item level requirements are in place. Trolls are gonna troll and that's what vote-to-kick is for.

All this stuff has already been implemented in some form or another in other games. Why not stick to what's tested and already works well?

Edited, Nov 5th 2013 8:54pm by FilthMcNasty

This would also make the shunning of console players much easier to do.