DF: Can't kick? Then cool downFollow

The issue with vote kick, is the part where you cant add players once a trial starts (titan/gm/ifirit).

So yeah you can vote kick them, but you still have to reform, over and over and over trying not to get that person. Which has happened with titan tank trolls to me.

Anything that vote kick could be abused for, so could a blist. Both can be used to shun ps3 players, both can be used to shun non geared players, both can be used to slow a group. Lets be honest, if you vote kick someone and then have to wait 10 minutes for someone else, and /pray the same jerk doesnt just re queue isn't much different is it?

I still dont see your logic of how me +2 people are being punished by forcing us to wait for a tank that isn't on one of our blists. Is it much different than if the tank drops and we vote kick after he afks for the third time in 10 minutes?

I am not against vote kick, and I agree, the biggest benefit of it, is to boot afkers, but preventing them from ever even entering and ruining your instance is 100000000x greater even if i have to wait 10-30 minutes longer.

How does it not address the issue of trolls/afkers?

If enough people blist them, they cant join other groups and afk / troll?

I see vote kick being far more abusable than a blist. Vote kick is actually the more extreme of the 2 options. Almost any game with match making has the option to blist/friend list players to prevent you from getting in matches with certain people.


Like i said 20+ times before in this own thread, vote kick has its merits, it gets rid of the troll/afker now, but if they are on you list in the first place you wouldn't have to kick them. And on stuff like titan where you cant join in progress, vote kick does nothing, because that same naked tank will show up over and over because of how small the queue line is for tanks.

Aside from a few tank trolls, i have yet to group with the same people more than once. At this point my df blist would consist of maybe 5 people. Sure, some elitest who only wants to do speed runs may have 100+ names on their blist, and might have issues, but the average player is going to only have a handful of names

Just like vote kick, the average player will use it fine, its the minority that will abuse it and use it beyond its means.


There are 1000s of ways to implement this system, such as
1) a 30 day decay period were people only stay blisted on duty finder for 30 days (or until the next tally reset on monday mornings).
2) a small list, aka you can only blist 50 people max, considering there are 3k+ per server, thats pretty good odds.


Im not saying they shouldn't do vote kick, but it shouldn't be the only method, and there definitly better options.

I honestly don't see any of those scenarios actually happening often, if at all, unless the 3 people voting you out joined up together and just decided to be ****** or if you yourself just sucked really bad.

Thank you for making my point.

I guess I'm probably done levelling until PS4 :P

well yeah....just because something like that happened to him once or twice doesn't mean its going to be an epidemic. I mean, I've never had it happen to me, so why not judge the future based on my experience? Of course not, that would be silly.

And also, if it's already "happening" now, then....whats the issue?


edit: and I know you're probably (?) kidding about the waiting til PS4 thing, but I wouldn't suggest allowing one or two horror stories to keep you from enjoying a game you paid for and want to enjoy. Internet, like life, has a lot of crappy people in it, you just sort of have to deal with it.



Edited, Nov 6th 2013 5:20pm by Llester

The only way I see a vote-kick working is if it is valid only outside a boss fight and if a treasure chest from a boss is spawned on the ground, weather opened or not, no one can leave the instance until the chests/loot is resolved. Vote kicks will still go through but the player will not physically leave until loot is distributed.

I just had a DRG try to AFK on me in AK because as a relic brd I was trying to help my (still learning, unsecure) WAR friend learn AK. He doesn't have more than one or two pieces of DL and no AK/WP gear. He didn't like the fact that the tank was new, so he was going to AFK on us. I simply pointed out that I understand you are frustrated this isn't a team of expert dungeoneers, but waiting 30 minutes in the duty finder and then going AFK and waste your time while we aren't going to leave is just hurting himself, not us. And that I would report him to a GM for griefing by abstructing normal game play. Unless, he wanted to shut up and come kick some *** with us. At least he had the balls to admit he wasn't truely AFK and took the 15 min DF wait and left for us.

Be polite and respectful, but be honest and to the point. If they don't want to play ball, ask them to leave. Don't mention the 15 min DF wait, that's aggrivating and everyone knows that information. Just ask them to leave if they don't want to work with the team, which you know they would hate to waste their time just as much as you do. If they refuse this, all you can do is report them. You -can- submit tickets while inside the DF dungeons, and you -can- have everyone in the group do it to try and elicit a larger impact upon that player. If only one person submits a complaint, the GM might think it is not as serious as if an entire group agrees that player is being disruptive. If the report and/or the threat of a report to a GM doesn't force them to make a decision, then you have to make the decision to leave or stay and attempt to work around the person trolling. :O