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You must run with some trash tanks then. It's so easy to hold agro and tank in this game. The only challenge as a tank is memorizing more mechanics than the other guy.

Hio, are you going to buy Stormblood even though the formula is not changing?

You definitely can't judge the game's health by people complaining on the forums. People will always complain, and the complainers will always be louder than the folks who are happily playing.

And what do you mean, nothing new? We're getting red mage and Samurai! Hours of new storyline! More dungeons and raids! A new exploratory area that will probably be different than Diadem! And new maps to explore.

You're right, though -- FFXIV is not meant to be a game played in a hardcore style. If you want to sink long hours into this game, then you'd better be more of a casual player at heart, or it's going to drive you nuts. That's why I'm honestly curious as to whether Hio will keep playing. Logic would indicate that anyone unsatisfied with the game as it stands wouldn't want to spend another $40 (or whatever it is) on another block of content he/she won't be happy with. But we'll see!

I'm excited for the expansion to hit, as is everyone in my large and lively FC.

I'm telling you, Nash... transfer to Hyperion and join my FC. If you miss that FFXI feel of having a great group, my FC is outstanding.

I still dabble in FFXI too, but I'm mainly just chipping away at the main story, then I'm out. I honestly don't get why anyone would want to keep playing that game, let alone "go back" to it. The new content for that game is... man, like drops of a trickle. How many times can you do slow-paced BCNM fights (grinding the same fight repeatedly for a month at a time in Ambuscade) before admitting that the game is pretty boring?

I hear Asura is kinda sorta populated, but dang... hard to complain about FFXIV toward the end of an expansion cycle and then say you'd rather be playing XI.

Different strokes for different folks, I guess. But for me, XIV holds the edge on both content variety and liveliness.

I am not really defending FFXI, I did mention end game offers nothing for us. The game is a shell of its former self and is not nearly as fun. Everything before Rhapsodies is pretty cool though. Monster raising is still more creative than anything they have added to FFXIV. FFXIV still has story and that is pretty much it. I am back to FFXIV and every new dungeon is the same thing I have been doing since beta, they just are in a different package same as raids. Weapons and armor are the same tomb grind as ever. There has to be something other than tomes? I still do not get why there can not be good craft-able gear?

You know what would be fun for FFXIV? Magian trials, they may have been a grind but hey they were a different way of getting stuff. But you know what they would never work since everything is instanced. So that means your grind is going to be too run dungeons.

I think everything being instanced is the real killer for the game. it is whats stoping them from adding anything new.

hunts were a good attempt.







Edited, Feb 21st 2017 3:32pm by Nashred

Edited, Feb 21st 2017 3:32pm by Nashred

Isn't an expansion the definition of improving thing and adding something new?

The upcoming expansion is adding tons of new things. It's apparently not what you want, but then again we have no idea what you actually want.


Maybe the fact that you have to keep saying "you know what I mean" is an indicator that we don't actually know what you mean.

You keep saying you want something new but you never say what that is. I get that you don't want to run the same few dungeons and kill the same few bosses over and over (and that's not unreasonable) but what would you rather do instead?

Somewhat yea..
Your right some gamers do not want that but there are those that do or gamers who have the time. It does not need to be the only way and if you do not want to you do not have too.. I am just sick of grinding tomes. Why can there not be great craft-able gear too.

I have said so many times what I am looking for but a few people just have selective reading.

I am tired of scripted cookie cutter dungeons where every time you run them they are the same. Every dungeon is trash mobs with 3 bosses. Why are the bosses trapped? Would it be cool if they were in different orders or roamed there was a sense of danger and didn't know what was around the corner. Would it be cool if they mixed up their abilities so you had to react instead of memorizing the order.

Why can’t they add something new like in FFXI when they added campaign, Dynamis or besieged? They were completely different than anything else in the game. Let’s add 2 dungeons and then a raid then 2 more dungeons then a raid then 2 more dungeons then a raid then two more dungeons and a raid. Oh and lets throw some half *** attempted at something different like diadem that is horrible and it fails so we can say “hey look players really do not want nothing new”. Now we have a expansion that is doing the same old thing and same old formula just in a different look. This was fun the first 50 times.

Why can’t there be some open world stuff that gives the sense of danger.. World seems dead and everything is on a string. It does not feel real. World looks beautiful.

It makes no sense they throw out the relic, why not have continued paths for those who wanted to keep doing it. The animus weapon is now ending too, why?
Why not keep adding on to it and give it a little higher stat for those who want to work for it. Oh wait you could turn the relic in for one step ahead of the rest after you spent months upon months.

I get tired of everything being out dated every other month. Spend all this time running dungeons and once you get the gear time to start all over. I think running coil is what made me feel the worst. Bust your but in a static to get the gear and someone could just run a dungeon and have just as good of gear. Why not reward those for the extra effort? the game feels like it for those who want but do not want to put in the effort.


I just want multiple paths, I am sick of running cookie cutter dungeons they have got boring they are all the same just in a different package. Have gamers got that shallow, boring and lazy that they do not demand some variety and want everything handed to them. I sure hope not or gaming is going to die without something new.


While Thayos you know I respect you and your opinion I know lots of players who stay away from FFXIV because they are looking for what you say players do not want anymore. I agree it probably is the majority too but I think it was when FFXI launched and still it was successful.
I mean I know your right Thayos about allot of gamers I mean look at COD it has barely changed since launch. Basically every year they charge for a map pack upgrade and perk changes which basically are name changes with a different skins. When a new console launches it gets a graphics upgrade but year after year it has lines of people to buy it. Still it is not everybody. So while I agree I think it is enough to add something for those players.

I think enough gamers are out there that want more. I think FFXIV can have multiple paths and actually stick some money into some diversity.

When I say the expansion is not adding anything I mean new, sure it is adding content but it will be the same ole missions through the same ole dungeons and raids. Two new jobs etc. It is content but not different content. Other than story nothing will change it will be the same old stuff in a different package with a map pack. I love the story it is the best part of the game but playing through it I fell like a errand boy. I am the warrior of light.

This game does not lack content it lacks new original content or different content.





I agree with this 100 percent also, more options.

Thayos I do not think we are ever that far apart in our thinking. I think for you it you do not have or want to stick allot of time into the game. FFXI was completely the other way from FFXIV. It was very demanding almost too demanding. Tesee and I have a little more time and were hoping for something in between what FFXIV has become and FFXI. I think a game can accommodate that.
We left FFXI hoping for something that required a little less time so I am not necessarily looking for FFXI again. FFXIV just is so repetitive

Also do not get me wrong but two people keep saying I never say what I want different so I do not want this to come off like a complaint post. There is allot I do like but that was not asked, it was asked what I wanted different. That is part of what I want different. I think FFXIV has the potential to be far better than what it is maybe better than FFXI.. All the tools are there and I wont say it needs to change because allot of people like it the way it is but also something different for others is needed. It needs something added.

I loved the game from 0-50 but after running AK and WP for end game about 100 times each and end game got boring fast. At that point the game was new so we just racked it up to lack of content but here we are still years latter and that has not changed at all.










Edited, Feb 22nd 2017 12:30pm by Nashred

And that is fine for you, some people do not have the time and that is a plus for FFXIV. I mean Tesse and I have been playing for a little more than week and we have one patch to go and we missed almost 6 months. I-level has us slowed down a little now. It also stinks that we can catch up that fast to those who have put a lot of time into the game. I mean we can take 6 months off and in less than a month be exactly where everyone else is. That might be a little to much but it is a advantage for newbies or returning players. I just think they can add a little more for those who want to put in the grind and the time but to me the main problem is pure repetitiveness.



Change of subject.
Have you noticed on a wipe the person that gets angry and leaves is usually the problem?
Tesee and I have been doing allot of Alexander since we came back. Not together she has more time and is way ahead of me.
for example I am doing one for a weapon so I had to do it multiple times.
1st time we beat it no issues. Second time we get a warrior and he is telling the !st timer tank for that particular one what to do but being a blank about it. Anyway we wipe and the mouthy warrior leaves instantly and we wiped barely in. Anyhow no one seems to do Alexander right now so we wait 15 min for a new tank and no one shows so we decided to run it a tank down and the Smn titan was going to take adds. Well we crushed it.. That was so cool to beat it a tank down but my point is have you ever noticed the guy that gets angry and leaves is almost always the issue with the wipe? I have seen this at least 1/2 a dozen times now after someone leaves we beat it the next time.




Edited, Feb 22nd 2017 1:02pm by Nashred

Again reading only part, I agree somethings wont happen but repetitiveness their is no need for it
You dont know if they will never change nor do I. There is no reason they cant add something like besieged why cant they?
Players start leaving because they are bored of the same old thing and they finally have to add something new to hold players, it may happen.


And your reply is exactly what I thought it would be and the reason I stopped saying what I wanted different.

This thread was meant to stay in touch with people and find out what they were doing and is going on the game and let people know what I am was doing. I did not turn this into this.


Edited, Feb 22nd 2017 1:10pm by Nashred

Edited, Feb 22nd 2017 1:13pm by Nashred

I'm not saying things will never change. I'm saying things will probably never change as drastically as you'd like. They have added new and different things. Things like Diadem and PotD, and more coming in the expansion. That apparently isn't enough for you, but that doesn't make it not there.

You just asked for Magian Trials, which are nothing more than long grind quests.



What's different between Besieged and a FATE where a town is being attacked? Because we have a few of those now.



Ok but then you don't get to complain that people don't know what you're talking about when you refuse to elaborate. It isn't just me.

It really does sound like you're looking for old-school FFXI and FFXIV will simply never be that game. I also don't know of another game I can direct you toward that would scratch that itch for you. I do believe there's probably a market for a game in that style. But I don't think it's a very big market, and current trends dictate that any new game has to have wide-ranging appeal in order to be cost effective and profitable. That's not an ideal MMO market, but it's what currently exists.

I didn't say I didn't like magian trials. I said they were long grind quests which seemed to be in contradiction to your statement that content need not be repetitive. I like the idea of magian trials in that you have a piece of gear that is grown over a long period of time. But then that's what we do for our relic weapons so.....



I'm not familiar with Reive as a system having played very little Adoulin content in FFXI. But Besieged is an open-world event the spawns a bunch of mobs for you to fight. Now there's a LITTLE more depth to Besieged because of the Astral Candescence system but it still boils down to "bunch of bad guys, go kill" which is basically what a FATE is. Compare it to the FATE that simulates an attack on Hystmill or Forgotten Springs. Waves of mobs attack a settlement and have to be driven back by the players. That's Besieged. Now it's never done to a major city like Limsa or Ishgard, but I suspect that's to keep the event optional and keep it from being super disruptive to normal gameplay (and also as a nod to performance limitations rendering that many character models at once).



I'm not attacking you, Nash. I've never attacked you. Will I attack your ideas? Of course I will because that's how discussion works. Ultimately I'd like to be able to find you a game that will satisfy what you're looking for. But in the context of discussion about FFXIV, I'm going to keep coming back to "it's not that kind of game and never will be" because that's how it is. I believe I've mentioned that you don't seem happy playing FFXIV. But you keep playing it anyway which is reinforcing that negative perception of the game that's, frankly, unearned. You're seeing everything you don't like about the game magnified because you're not having a good time playing it. I get that, but then the solution isn't to ask FFXIV to be a completely different kind of game than it is, the solution is to find a game that fits with what you're looking for better. Off the top of my head I don't know of one, but if I ever run across a game I think you might enjoy, I'd be very happy to pass it along to you. My goal here isn't to attack you or to make you feel bad or stupid or whatever. That's petty. My goal is to have a discussion and to point you at the information you need. I'm sorry you're seeing that as an attack.

"Ideas go unchallenged. Opportunities for learning and growth are missed."